Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/08/deutsche-bank-staff-18000-job-cuts-restructuring-asia-london-business-live (?) ........... I wonder how our resident doom & gloom merchants are going to blame it on Brexit? ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:50 AM https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/08/deutsche-bank-staff-18000-job-cuts-restructuring-asia-london-business-live (?) ........... I wonder how our resident doom & gloom merchants are going to blame it on Brexit? ;-) ......... Give the haters a chance ... They did rejoice the Jaguar jobs news didn't they ??? .... Looking at recent threads I believe Boris is more likely to get the blame from the haters ... He seem to be numero uno hate target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Deutsche Bank has been struggling for years. That is part of the reason Ms Merkel pushed the EU to take the financial power away from the City of London and relocate it to Germany. Stealth is a better weapon than invading Poland with Panzers. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 45.46% of it's global employees are based in Germany where employment laws are rigid and unions powerful. Deutsche has committed not to fire German retail employees against their will until mid-2021. Since late 2017, it has cut about 2,000 jobs a year using natural attrition and voluntary redundancies. One year ahead of Deutsche’s 150th anniversary, CEO Mr Sewing is refocusing the lender on its historic foundations — financing German and European corporate clients and domestic retail banking. Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks/assets-worth-800-billion-pounds-to-shift-from-uk-to-eu-due-to-brexit-ey-idUKKCN1P10SQ?utm_source=reddit.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:53 PM Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, Which is why us Brits voted for Brexit >:-) ............ We're not all EU Toady's ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:53 PM Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, Which is why us Brits voted for Brexit >:-) ............ We're not all EU Toady's ;-) ........ And this has been your "achievement" so far.....and dated February so will be more now. *-) While the UK is saying goodbye to the European Union, these large international companies are waving goodbye to the UK. Large multinational companies have not been taking lightly the fact that Britain is leaving the single EU market and customs union. Over the past year, many high-profile firms have announced relocating their European headquarters and thousands of jobs from London to Amsterdam, Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, and even Dubai. According to EY’s Financial Services Brexit Tracker, financial services companies alone added or will add around 2,000 new European jobs outside the UK as a result of Brexit. In total, over 7,000 jobs could be shifted from London to other European cities, assumes the report. In addition, a number of banks are transferring assets worth billions out of the UK in preparation of a no-deal Brexit. Banks are trying to secure rights to serve European customers as British companies might lose “passporting” rights that allow them to sell financial services in the EU single market after Britain leaves the bloc. Which countries will attract the most companies leaving the UK? As a result, many EU member states joined the race to accommodate companies looking for a new home because of Brexit. Who have been the winners so far? When it comes to financial services, Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt, and Paris are the most popular cities to add jobs, reports EY Financial Services Brexit Tracker. However, other countries are sharing their success stories too. The Dutch government reveals that it is in contact with more than 250 companies that are thinking about the possibility to relocate to the Netherlands. Germany is another country successfully luring companies that are leaving Britain. A German lobby group, Frankfurt Main Finance, has claimed that between €750 billion to €800 billion ($911 billion) in financial assets will move to Germany by March 29, 2019 – the date when Britain leaves the bloc. While Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, made no secret of its ambitions to overtake London as Europe’s fintech center. Panasonic: to the Netherlands Japanese electronics firm Panasonic moved its European headquarters from Bracknell (UK) to Amsterdam in October 2018. The company was seeking to avoid potential fiscal obstacles after Britain leaves the EU. Sony: to the Netherlands Another Japanese electronics giant, Sony, is also shifting its European headquarters to the Netherlands as a result of Brexit. The move will allow Sony to avoid customs issues after the UK leaves the bloc, said the company in a statement. Barclay’s: to Ireland Financial services company Barclay’s is transferring €191 billion ($217 billion) worth of assets from the UK to the Dublin-based branch. Barclay’s also shifted the ownership of all of its European branches to Dublin and doubled the number of staff in its new base. Nissan: to Japan Japanese car manufacturer, Nissan, announced it would stop making the X-Trail SUV at its plant in the UK and will start manufacturing this model back in Japan. The experts believe two factors had the impact on this decision: the falling demand for diesel cars in Europe and Brexit. The company revealed that although “the decision was taken for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the U.K.’s future relationship with the EU was not helping to plan a future”. Royal Bank of Scotland: to the Netherlands Royal Bank of Scotland Group revealed its plans to move almost €7 billion ($8 billion) worth of client assets and €8 billion ($9.3 billion) in liabilities from the UK to the Netherlands in case of a no-deal Brexit. Revolut: to Lithuania One of the UK’s fastest-growing financial technology startup, Revolut, got a specialized bank license in Lithuania. It means that the digital bank is allowed to offer current accounts and loans across the EU. In addition, Lithuania’s central bank issued an electronic money license to Revolut. HSBC: to France Due to uncertainty over Brexit deal, Europe’s biggest bank, HSBC, has shifted the ownership of a number of its European branches from London to Paris. However, it is still unclear how many of 1,000 banking jobs will be transferred from London to Paris. Lloyd’s of London: to Brussels Insurance company Lloyd’s of London established an insurance company in Brussels in order to remain fully operational in the EU after Brexit. Aviva: to Ireland Britain’s insurer Aviva is planning to move €10,5 billion ($12 billion) worth of assets to Dublin. Goldman Sachs: to Germany Goldman Sachs is not only expanding the number of staff in its branch in Frankfurt but also opening new offices in Stockholm, Milan, and Dublin. Honda Japanese car manufacturer, Honda, announced in February 2019 its plans to close a manufacturing plant with 3,500 jobs in the UK by 2021. Despite Honda’s reassurance that it is not related to Brexit, experts argue that Britain’s decision to leave the EU should have had a great impact. http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/27/these-large-companies-are-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit/ _______________________________________________________________________________ Will you please publish a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit". I look forward to seeing what you manage to unearth. Start digging....and praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 9:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:53 PM Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, Which is why us Brits voted for Brexit >:-) ............ We're not all EU Toady's ;-) ........ And this has been your "achievement" so far.....and dated February so will be more now. *-) While the UK is saying goodbye to the European Union, these large international companies are waving goodbye to the UK. Large multinational companies have not been taking lightly the fact that Britain is leaving the single EU market and customs union. Over the past year, many high-profile firms have announced relocating their European headquarters and thousands of jobs from London to Amsterdam, Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, and even Dubai. According to EY’s Financial Services Brexit Tracker, financial services companies alone added or will add around 2,000 new European jobs outside the UK as a result of Brexit. In total, over 7,000 jobs could be shifted from London to other European cities, assumes the report. In addition, a number of banks are transferring assets worth billions out of the UK in preparation of a no-deal Brexit. Banks are trying to secure rights to serve European customers as British companies might lose “passporting” rights that allow them to sell financial services in the EU single market after Britain leaves the bloc. Which countries will attract the most companies leaving the UK? As a result, many EU member states joined the race to accommodate companies looking for a new home because of Brexit. Who have been the winners so far? When it comes to financial services, Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt, and Paris are the most popular cities to add jobs, reports EY Financial Services Brexit Tracker. However, other countries are sharing their success stories too. The Dutch government reveals that it is in contact with more than 250 companies that are thinking about the possibility to relocate to the Netherlands. Germany is another country successfully luring companies that are leaving Britain. A German lobby group, Frankfurt Main Finance, has claimed that between €750 billion to €800 billion ($911 billion) in financial assets will move to Germany by March 29, 2019 – the date when Britain leaves the bloc. While Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, made no secret of its ambitions to overtake London as Europe’s fintech center. Panasonic: to the Netherlands Japanese electronics firm Panasonic moved its European headquarters from Bracknell (UK) to Amsterdam in October 2018. The company was seeking to avoid potential fiscal obstacles after Britain leaves the EU. Sony: to the Netherlands Another Japanese electronics giant, Sony, is also shifting its European headquarters to the Netherlands as a result of Brexit. The move will allow Sony to avoid customs issues after the UK leaves the bloc, said the company in a statement. Barclay’s: to Ireland Financial services company Barclay’s is transferring €191 billion ($217 billion) worth of assets from the UK to the Dublin-based branch. Barclay’s also shifted the ownership of all of its European branches to Dublin and doubled the number of staff in its new base. Nissan: to Japan Japanese car manufacturer, Nissan, announced it would stop making the X-Trail SUV at its plant in the UK and will start manufacturing this model back in Japan. The experts believe two factors had the impact on this decision: the falling demand for diesel cars in Europe and Brexit. The company revealed that although “the decision was taken for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the U.K.’s future relationship with the EU was not helping to plan a future”. Royal Bank of Scotland: to the Netherlands Royal Bank of Scotland Group revealed its plans to move almost €7 billion ($8 billion) worth of client assets and €8 billion ($9.3 billion) in liabilities from the UK to the Netherlands in case of a no-deal Brexit. Revolut: to Lithuania One of the UK’s fastest-growing financial technology startup, Revolut, got a specialized bank license in Lithuania. It means that the digital bank is allowed to offer current accounts and loans across the EU. In addition, Lithuania’s central bank issued an electronic money license to Revolut. HSBC: to France Due to uncertainty over Brexit deal, Europe’s biggest bank, HSBC, has shifted the ownership of a number of its European branches from London to Paris. However, it is still unclear how many of 1,000 banking jobs will be transferred from London to Paris. Lloyd’s of London: to Brussels Insurance company Lloyd’s of London established an insurance company in Brussels in order to remain fully operational in the EU after Brexit. Aviva: to Ireland Britain’s insurer Aviva is planning to move €10,5 billion ($12 billion) worth of assets to Dublin. Goldman Sachs: to Germany Goldman Sachs is not only expanding the number of staff in its branch in Frankfurt but also opening new offices in Stockholm, Milan, and Dublin. Honda Japanese car manufacturer, Honda, announced in February 2019 its plans to close a manufacturing plant with 3,500 jobs in the UK by 2021. Despite Honda’s reassurance that it is not related to Brexit, experts argue that Britain’s decision to leave the EU should have had a great impact. http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/27/these-large-companies-are-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit/ _______________________________________________________________________________ Will you please publish a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit". I look forward to seeing what you manage to unearth. Start digging....and praying. You forgot Deutsche bank ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-08 9:59 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 9:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:53 PM Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, Which is why us Brits voted for Brexit >:-) ............ We're not all EU Toady's ;-) ........ And this has been your "achievement" so far.....and dated February so will be more now. *-) While the UK is saying goodbye to the European Union, these large international companies are waving goodbye to the UK. Large multinational companies have not been taking lightly the fact that Britain is leaving the single EU market and customs union. Over the past year, many high-profile firms have announced relocating their European headquarters and thousands of jobs from London to Amsterdam, Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, and even Dubai. According to EY’s Financial Services Brexit Tracker, financial services companies alone added or will add around 2,000 new European jobs outside the UK as a result of Brexit. In total, over 7,000 jobs could be shifted from London to other European cities, assumes the report. In addition, a number of banks are transferring assets worth billions out of the UK in preparation of a no-deal Brexit. Banks are trying to secure rights to serve European customers as British companies might lose “passporting” rights that allow them to sell financial services in the EU single market after Britain leaves the bloc. Which countries will attract the most companies leaving the UK? As a result, many EU member states joined the race to accommodate companies looking for a new home because of Brexit. Who have been the winners so far? When it comes to financial services, Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt, and Paris are the most popular cities to add jobs, reports EY Financial Services Brexit Tracker. However, other countries are sharing their success stories too. The Dutch government reveals that it is in contact with more than 250 companies that are thinking about the possibility to relocate to the Netherlands. Germany is another country successfully luring companies that are leaving Britain. A German lobby group, Frankfurt Main Finance, has claimed that between €750 billion to €800 billion ($911 billion) in financial assets will move to Germany by March 29, 2019 – the date when Britain leaves the bloc. While Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, made no secret of its ambitions to overtake London as Europe’s fintech center. Panasonic: to the Netherlands Japanese electronics firm Panasonic moved its European headquarters from Bracknell (UK) to Amsterdam in October 2018. The company was seeking to avoid potential fiscal obstacles after Britain leaves the EU. Sony: to the Netherlands Another Japanese electronics giant, Sony, is also shifting its European headquarters to the Netherlands as a result of Brexit. The move will allow Sony to avoid customs issues after the UK leaves the bloc, said the company in a statement. Barclay’s: to Ireland Financial services company Barclay’s is transferring €191 billion ($217 billion) worth of assets from the UK to the Dublin-based branch. Barclay’s also shifted the ownership of all of its European branches to Dublin and doubled the number of staff in its new base. Nissan: to Japan Japanese car manufacturer, Nissan, announced it would stop making the X-Trail SUV at its plant in the UK and will start manufacturing this model back in Japan. The experts believe two factors had the impact on this decision: the falling demand for diesel cars in Europe and Brexit. The company revealed that although “the decision was taken for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the U.K.’s future relationship with the EU was not helping to plan a future”. Royal Bank of Scotland: to the Netherlands Royal Bank of Scotland Group revealed its plans to move almost €7 billion ($8 billion) worth of client assets and €8 billion ($9.3 billion) in liabilities from the UK to the Netherlands in case of a no-deal Brexit. Revolut: to Lithuania One of the UK’s fastest-growing financial technology startup, Revolut, got a specialized bank license in Lithuania. It means that the digital bank is allowed to offer current accounts and loans across the EU. In addition, Lithuania’s central bank issued an electronic money license to Revolut. HSBC: to France Due to uncertainty over Brexit deal, Europe’s biggest bank, HSBC, has shifted the ownership of a number of its European branches from London to Paris. However, it is still unclear how many of 1,000 banking jobs will be transferred from London to Paris. Lloyd’s of London: to Brussels Insurance company Lloyd’s of London established an insurance company in Brussels in order to remain fully operational in the EU after Brexit. Aviva: to Ireland Britain’s insurer Aviva is planning to move €10,5 billion ($12 billion) worth of assets to Dublin. Goldman Sachs: to Germany Goldman Sachs is not only expanding the number of staff in its branch in Frankfurt but also opening new offices in Stockholm, Milan, and Dublin. Honda Japanese car manufacturer, Honda, announced in February 2019 its plans to close a manufacturing plant with 3,500 jobs in the UK by 2021. Despite Honda’s reassurance that it is not related to Brexit, experts argue that Britain’s decision to leave the EU should have had a great impact. http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/27/these-large-companies-are-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit/ _______________________________________________________________________________ Will you please publish a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit". I look forward to seeing what you manage to unearth. Start digging....and praying. You forgot Deutsche bank ;-) ......... No i hadn't. If you'd read the first line of the post i said the list was published in February. *-) So......have you managed to locate a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit" or are you still frantically searching? :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 10:45 PM No i hadn't. If you'd read the first line of the post i said the list was published in February. *-) So the 18,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Deutsche Bank.......and the 20,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Ford are all down to Brexit???? 8-) ........ Well who knew little old Blighty was so powerful >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-09 7:50 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 10:45 PM No i hadn't. If you'd read the first line of the post i said the list was published in February. *-) So the 18,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Deutsche Bank.......and the 20,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Ford are all down to Brexit???? 8-) ........ Well who knew little old Blighty was so powerful >:-) ........ Still struggling to source a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit"? Come on Pelmet......surely you have something after all this time? If you don't, just say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 1:53 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-09 7:50 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 10:45 PM No i hadn't. If you'd read the first line of the post i said the list was published in February. *-) So the 18,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Deutsche Bank.......and the 20,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Ford are all down to Brexit???? 8-) ........ Well who knew little old Blighty was so powerful >:-) ........ Still struggling to source a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit"? Come on Pelmet......surely you have something after all this time? If you don't, just say so. So a few companies are relocating their "European Headquarters" to guess where..... "Europe" (lol) .......... Cant say I'm bothered by that one iota ;-) .......... I take it you've given up blaming Deutsche Bank & Ford's job losses on Brexit? >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-09 3:21 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 1:53 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-09 7:50 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 10:45 PM No i hadn't. If you'd read the first line of the post i said the list was published in February. *-) So the 18,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Deutsche Bank.......and the 20,000 jobs being cut GLOBALLY by Ford are all down to Brexit???? 8-) ........ Well who knew little old Blighty was so powerful >:-) ........ Still struggling to source a comparable list of companies from Europe relocating their business to UK "due to Brexit"? Come on Pelmet......surely you have something after all this time? If you don't, just say so. So a few companies are relocating their "European Headquarters" to guess where..... "Europe" (lol) .......... A hell of a lot of business if you could bear to look but i know it's awkward for you. Cant say I'm bothered by that one iota ;-) .......... Typical "i'm alright Jack" Brexiteer attitude. But you won't go anywhere near Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work will you? I take it you've given up blaming Deutsche Bank & Ford's job losses on Brexit? >:-) ......... Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. A damage limitation exercise. Ford CEO said, Brexit was not the reason for shutting Bridgend but it would affect other UK facilities if the UK leaves without a deal which is what you've been hankering for. Ford still want to sell cars to UK, albeit at increased prices to UK customers, so he's hardly going to risk alienating the customer even further. Makes sense for them to relocate to where they can continue with fta's and JIT guaranteed. You voted to get shut of that though you didn't realise it at the time. Now you know, you're desperately clutching at straws and unicorns trying to justify the damage Brexit has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country.....you'd have no reason to fear going to Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? So when do you intend to visit these places as that would certainly be worth coming to watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country..... Yep B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-10 10:27 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country.....you'd have no reason to fear going to Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? So when do you intend to visit these places as that would certainly be worth coming to watch? Yep B-) ........ So when are you going to those places to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? You avoided answering the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 11:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 10:27 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country.....you'd have no reason to fear going to Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? So when do you intend to visit these places as that would certainly be worth coming to watch? Yep B-) ........ So when are you going to those places to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? You avoided answering the question. There's no need as we all know those factories are NOT closing because of Brexit, despite the best efforts of you Losers trying to blame it *-) .......... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-7233811/Boost-car-production-drives-UK-growth-faster-expected-economy-expanding-0-3-May.html "Exports of UK goods and services rose 4 per cent to a record high of £647billion." :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Germany at "risk of recession" amid worst manufacturing performance for seven years Germany’s manufacturers suffered their worst month in seven years in July, adding to fears that the Eurozone’s largest economy could be headed for a recession. The manufacturing purchasing managers’ index (PMI) fell from 45 in June to a reading of 43.1 – far below the 50 mark which indicates an expansion – according to data company IHS Markit. The decline was driven by the largest fall in export orders seen in the last decade since the financial crisis. https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/24/deutsche-bank-job-cuts-trigger-biggest-loss-since-financial-crisis-business-live?page=with:block-5d380e1d8f08cf92bb775ddc#block-5d380e1d8f08cf92bb775ddc 8-) ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Not just Germany. The whole edifice is at risk. If we get out now we could escape a massive bill when the Eurozone implodes. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/06/britain-could-face-200bn-eu-bail-out-bill-unless-clean-brexit/ Do you remember all those experts who told us that we'll be poorer if we leave? Aren't many of them the same ones who told us that we'd be mad not to join the Euro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-11 8:07 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 11:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 10:27 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country.....you'd have no reason to fear going to Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? So when do you intend to visit these places as that would certainly be worth coming to watch? Yep B-) ........ So when are you going to those places to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? You avoided answering the question. There's no need as we all know those factories are NOT closing because of Brexit, despite the best efforts of you Losers trying to blame it *-) .......... :D ........ Oh please.....spare me the Daily Xenophobe links if thats the best you can muster. Your desperation is embarrassing. *-) Remind me again why Honda shut down their entire Swindon plant putting 3,500 plant workers out of a job and a further 3,500 in the supply chain out? Of course bosses aren't going to say "due to Brexit" as they still want to sell here, but it doesn't take a genius to figure it had a lot to do with it as Honda listed a catalogue of risks posed by Brexit at a briefing only last year. Patrick Keating, Hondas European manager said at the briefing Brexit could interrupt crucial “just in time” delivery of 2m parts a day, 20% of which come from Europe and which allow smooth operation of the company’s supply chain. By leaving Brexit Britain they will now have 100% guaranteed FTA's plus the necessary JIT which Brexit couldn't offer. The EU is also a massive market of 27 countries......while the UK is a tiny little island country fast fragmenting to bits. So i still want you to visit Swindon and stand in the town centre telling the locals how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work. After all you believe they will be "better off" so what would you have to fear? You should stand by the courage of your convictions and do it. Here is a golden opportunity for you to be a beacon for Brexit....but you seem anxious to run away and hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-24 11:37 PM Oh please.....spare me the Daily Xenophobe links if thats the best you can muster. Your desperation is embarrassing. *-) That is the most pathetic debating tactic in the book and shows your desperation when faced with facts that you don't like. Are you saying that the report in the DM is a lie? Whenever you're presented with something that doesn't suit you, ourtcomes the bilge about the source. Newspapers put their own slant on reporting and there's none worse than the Guardian and Mirror. When I read some of their articles I wonder if I'm on the same planet. But despite that the basic facts are the same. Newspapers can't just print outright lies. That's your department. Grow up. If presented with evidence that doesn't suit you, prove it wrong. Show other links that prove it wrong but stop the brainless 'it must be lies, it's in the Mail/Express blah blah.' All you prove with those tactics is that you actually have no intelligent or factual response. Try rubbishing this source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-trade-and-investment-in-2018-behind-the-numbers Here's a snippet: Trade beyond the EU - There has also been a clear shift in who we trade with, as whilst ten years ago more than half of our exports went to the EU, 54.2% now go to non-EU countries. 0.6% - GDP growth in the third quarter this year was significantly greater than the Eurozone (0.6% from 0.2%) And the economy is now 17.8% bigger since 2010. £114bn – The US remained the UKs top single export destination, with exports increasing to £114bn in the year to 2018 Q3. 10.4% - Over the past year some of the world’s fastest growing economies have shown a growing interest in British produce, as exports to ASEAN increased by 10.4% in the year to end 2018 Q2. £5bn Foreign investors are feeling more confident than ever placing their money in UK companies. The UKs vibrant tech sector has received over £5bn in venture capitalist funding between June 2016 and June 2018, more than France, Germany and Sweden combined. 75,698 – 2017/2018 saw 75,968 new jobs created as a result of Foreign Direct Investment, as the UK remained the top destination for FDI in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-24 10:59 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-24 11:37 PM Oh please.....spare me the Daily Xenophobe links if thats the best you can muster. Your desperation is embarrassing. *-) That is the most pathetic debating tactic in the book and shows your desperation when faced with facts that you don't like. Are you saying that the report in the DM is a lie? Few people ever take it seriously and i'm surprised you do. The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations. The Mail has traditionally been a supporter of the Conservatives and has endorsed this party in all recent general elections. It's anti Labour and pro-Tory UKIP. Nice try at barging in to deflect away with some obfuscation after what i'd asked Pelmet and notice you totally ignored. So come on motormouth. Have you the courage of your convictions? Let's see how you fare standing in Swindon town centre telling those who've lost their jobs how much "better off" they all going to be after Brexit put them out of work. Many of these will be entire families working at Honda with mortgages/rents to pay, some with children in further education/uni etc. After Swindon there's Bridgend and Scunthorpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-24 10:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-11 8:07 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 11:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 10:27 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-10 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-10 9:14 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-09 4:40 PM Already commented on Deutsche bank, Seems a logical move to me. A business putting it's countrys interests, citizens and employees first, where UK sits back and waves goodbye to £800 billion of banking which has already relocated to EU and errr.........Frankfurt. Which is why I voted for Brexit ;-) ........... I'm putting my country's interest first B-) .......... It seems a logical move to me and 17.4 million others >:-) ........ If you seriously believe Brexit is in the interests of the country.....you'd have no reason to fear going to Swindon, Bridgend, or Scunthorpe to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? So when do you intend to visit these places as that would certainly be worth coming to watch? Yep B-) ........ So when are you going to those places to tell them how much "better off" they all are after Brexit put them out of work? You avoided answering the question. There's no need as we all know those factories are NOT closing because of Brexit, despite the best efforts of you Losers trying to blame it *-) .......... :D ........ Oh please.....spare me the Daily Xenophobe links if thats the best you can muster. Your desperation is embarrassing. *-) . So what about this story from your Remoaner Rag? ;-) ............ https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/24/deutsche-bank-job-cuts-trigger-biggest-loss-since-financial-crisis-business-live?page=with:block-5d380e1d8f08cf92bb775ddc#block-5d380e1d8f08cf92bb775ddc Is Germany in the Cack because of Brexit? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-25 2:10 AM Nice try at barging in to deflect away with some obfuscation after what i'd asked Pelmet and notice you totally ignored. So come on motormouth. Have you the courage of your convictions? Let's see how you fare standing in Swindon town centre telling those who've lost their jobs how much "better off" they all going to be after Brexit put them out of work. Many of these will be entire families working at Honda with mortgages/rents to pay, some with children in further education/uni etc. After Swindon there's Bridgend and Scunthorpe. I ignored it because its brainless, emotive, playground-level rubbish. You're shouting from the rooftops about how the prospect of Brexit is driving business from the UK. I supply you with facts that prove the opposite and what do you do - accuse me of obfuscation! The answer from a man with no real answers! I showed you that we now export more to non-EU countries, that inward investment in the UK is at huge levels, that the US is our largest customer and to quote from the article: 'Foreign investors are feeling more confident than ever placing their money in UK companies. The UKs vibrant tech sector has received over £5bn in venture capitalist funding between June 2016 and June 2018, more than France, Germany and Sweden combined.' But it's all just 'obfuscation' isn't it? And this wasn't from a newspaper whose politics you don't like 'so it must always be lying'! I give you all this evidence that firmly shows your entire Brexit scaremongering to be utterly false and what's your deeply intellectual argument against me? Trying to prove that because I'm not interested in driving 200 miles and sounding like a madman accosting people in Swindon, that none of the actual facts are relevant. You have the nerve to talk about obfuscation! Corbyn wants to abolish Trident and I've no doubt that you'd agree with him. Would you consider it an intelligent argument that he shouldn't be allowed to because no one would want to stand in the centre of Faslane and face the families with children and mortgages are going to lose their jobs? People lose their jobs all the time. Fortunately this country, because of the Conservative Government's policies, has a vibrant economy that is creating jobs like never before. Any workers losing their jobs today will be grateful that they've not lost them when Labour is in power because they'd never get another one. Now stop the stupid, stupid, childish hand wringing and try to rubbish the real facts about foreign investment in the UK that I've presented to you from an impeccable source. Finally, Honda's decision to close Swindon is nothing to do with Brexit, no matter how you and Corbyn spin it. It's another biased Bulletguy opinion presented as fact, another Bulletguy lie, one of many. The factory would have closed anyway, regardless of Brexit. If it was about Brexit it would be opening a new factory in the EU, but it's not. https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/19/what-are-the-real-reasons-honda-is-closing-its-factory-in-swindon-euronews-answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-25 8:26 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-25 2:10 AM Nice try at barging in to deflect away with some obfuscation after what i'd asked Pelmet and notice you totally ignored. So come on motormouth. Have you the courage of your convictions? Let's see how you fare standing in Swindon town centre telling those who've lost their jobs how much "better off" they all going to be after Brexit put them out of work. Many of these will be entire families working at Honda with mortgages/rents to pay, some with children in further education/uni etc. After Swindon there's Bridgend and Scunthorpe. I ignored it because its brainless, emotive, playground-level rubbish. Don't give me all your usual bluster about not driving 200 miles to sound like "a madman accosting people" in Swindon. though you probably would accost anyone who had the audacity to disagree with you. You're just building brick walls. You went into manic obfuscation overdrive pasting off a UK gov website of trade investments which absolutely zero relevance to the question I'd put to Pelmet specifically regarding Honda. You ignore as like Pelmet, you don't have the courage of your convictions. You like to talk the talk…a lot…but don't want to walk it. You say that "workers losing their jobs today will be grateful that they've not lost them when labour is in power". Well Labour aren't in power are they? Your lot are, so what better chance to go and remind the proles in Swindon how grateful they should be for losing their jobs under a Tory government. That remark was possibly the most crass piece of insensitivity I've yet read in your posts. Please don't insult peoples intelligence by attempting to claim closing Honda had "nothing to do with Brexit" as that old chestnut has been trotted out and debunked so many times, even by some of it's own workforce. Whilst not necessarily being as a direct result of Brexit, it most certainly was a contributing factor. I've listed facts showing that which you chose to ignore as it doesn't suit your rabidly pro-Brexit anti-EU agenda. This is what Hondas Gov affairs manager said six months before announcing total closure. https://www.businesswest.co.uk/blog/brexit-and-uk-car-industry-view-hondas-patrick-keating Now, everyone knows the diesel/petrol/electric issue over cars and few dispute electric are certainly making rapid development (faster than UK Gov appear capable of facilitating). But where have they chosen to build them? Not in the UK. If Brexit really is going to be so good for the economy….why are manufacturers relocating outside of UK and not in? Where are all the production companies beating a path to the door of UK saying, "we want to come here to make our stuff because of Brexit"…..instead the reverse has been happening. Honda went back to Japan as they have FTA's with the EU which UK couldn't guarantee. Same reason Dyson isn't building his electric car here in UK. More than a touch ironic he announced that decision just days after fta's were confirmed. Neither need a factory to be in an EU country…..but they do need fta's and jit, both of which UK couldn't guarantee hence Honda walked. UK has the land to build production plants…some already in situ…but they will likely end up as warehousing or split up into business units flogging garden furniture or plastic windows. We also have a good source of skilled production workers, at least 3,500 from Honda alone and another 1,700 from Bridgend. God knows how many Scunthorpe will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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