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userBulletguy
Posted: 16 June 2020 5:09 PM
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More than 600,000 people in the UK lost their jobs during lockdown, according to new figures from the Office for National Statistics. At the same time, unemployment claims soared by 1.6 million as the coronavirus lockdown hammered Britain’s labour market, official figures have revealed.

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userNicepix
Posted: 16 June 2020 6:12 PM
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And your point is?
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Posted: 16 June 2020 6:47 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.
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Posted: 16 June 2020 6:54 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?


Tory/Brexit/Boris hatred ??? ... Just a wild guess
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Posted: 17 June 2020 7:37 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.



userBulletguy
Posted: 17 June 2020 8:34 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/
userpelmetman
Posted: 18 June 2020 9:06 AM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 6:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


More Bullet Hindsh*te ..........

userBarryd999
Posted: 18 June 2020 11:22 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-18 9:06 AM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 6:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


More Bullet Hindsh*te ..........



How the feck can you still roll out the word Hindsight? It couldnt have been clearer what was coming. Other countries and WHO scientists were screaming at the UK to do something but Johnson did nothing. Preferred to go on national TV bragging about shaking hands in hospitals where there were people with Covid 19 and then nearly died of Covid 19. Duh!!

last year scientists warned it was coming but they did nothing to recover the depleted stockpile of PPE. There was even a department set up to work on Pandemics and it was abandoned because Johnson wanted to focus on guess what? Yes, Brexit! While people in China were dying and warnings of the coming pandemic were all too clear Johnson was campaigning for Brexit Bongs FFS!

There are no ifs or buts about this. Johnson fecked it up good and proper. Thats all there is to it.
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Posted: 18 June 2020 12:42 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 8:34 PM

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441



Considering that in this forum there have been those who accused my country of being late, I think the "Global response to Pandemic" chart is rather interesting.
Colors also have their importance and the UK had time to understand that an invisible enemy was about to invade you.
Am I wrong ?

Think guys, think before putting your fingers on the keyboard.
userNicepix
Posted: 20 June 2020 8:01 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 9:34 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/


Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.
userjumpstart
Posted: 20 June 2020 8:39 PM
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.
userBulletguy
Posted: 20 June 2020 10:01 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-20 8:01 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 9:34 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/


Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.

The question you asked was if i had "figures from countries that handled it (Covid) better".....not country by country data on job losses. I provided two links (there are alternatives) the second enabling searches for individual countries, eg https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ [insert country name here]

The "allegations" you claim i made were actually direct from the ONS as shown in the op link of this thread. You then asked what my point was - i responded, to which you then posed your second question (as quoted above) - i responded to that with links but as that didn't suit you, you now move the goal posts to wanting "data on job losses" (from other countries).

Only the US and Brazil outranks UK in the number of fatalities from Covid. The US has a population five times that of UK and Brazil more than 3 times. If you think our government handled Covid well i'd be interested to read that as i'm sure many more would too.
userpelmetman
Posted: 21 June 2020 7:48 AM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-20 10:01 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-20 8:01 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 9:34 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/


Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.

The question you asked was if i had "figures from countries that handled it (Covid) better".....not country by country data on job losses. I provided two links (there are alternatives) the second enabling searches for individual countries, eg https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ [insert country name here]

The "allegations" you claim i made were actually direct from the ONS as shown in the op link of this thread. You then asked what my point was - i responded, to which you then posed your second question (as quoted above) - i responded to that with links but as that didn't suit you, you now move the goal posts to wanting "data on job losses" (from other countries).

Only the US and Brazil outranks UK in the number of fatalities from Covid. The US has a population five times that of UK and Brazil more than 3 times. If you think our government handled Covid well i'd be interested to read that as i'm sure many more would too.


More Bullet Hindsh*te .........

Has Labour in Wales or the SNP in Scotland managed any better than Boris and England has?......NO ........

So why aren't you bitching about them Hypocrite? ..........

userBarryd999
Posted: 21 June 2020 10:58 AM
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jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-06-21 10:59 AM
userpelmetman
Posted: 21 June 2020 11:15 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Edited by pelmetman 2020-06-21 11:16 AM
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Posted: 21 June 2020 12:50 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:15 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-06-21 12:51 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 21 June 2020 4:21 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 12:50 PM

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Dumb Nuts .......

The NHS in Scotland & Wales is the "Total" responsbilty of "their" governments .....

Which is why the teaching unions are allowing the opening of schools in Labour run Wales and not Tory run England .......

That's how pathetic the Loser Brigade has become .......



Edited by pelmetman 2020-06-21 4:25 PM
userNicepix
Posted: 21 June 2020 4:52 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-20 11:01 PM

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Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 9:34 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/


Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.

The question you asked was if i had "figures from countries that handled it (Covid) better".....not country by country data on job losses. I provided two links (there are alternatives) the second enabling searches for individual countries, eg https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ [insert country name here]

The "allegations" you claim i made were actually direct from the ONS as shown in the op link of this thread. You then asked what my point was - i responded, to which you then posed your second question (as quoted above) - i responded to that with links but as that didn't suit you, you now move the goal posts to wanting "data on job losses" (from other countries).

Only the US and Brazil outranks UK in the number of fatalities from Covid. The US has a population five times that of UK and Brazil more than 3 times. If you think our government handled Covid well i'd be interested to read that as i'm sure many more would too.


You are ducking the question. You allege that jobless figures you quoted are linked to how the UK handled COVID-19 compared to other countries. Nothing that you have posted shows anything to support that. Nothing that you have posted proves the UK handed the COVID-19 situation badly with any link to high unemployment figures.

Until you can post a link to prove that a) the UK handled COVID-19 badly AND that has resulted in more unemployment in the UK then basically this is yet another of your opinions without facts.
userNicepix
Posted: 21 June 2020 5:02 PM
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jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.
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Posted: 21 June 2020 5:33 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-18 9:06 AM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 6:47 PM

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


More Bullet Hindsh*te ..........

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How the feck can you still roll out the word Hindsight? It couldnt have been clearer what was coming. Other countries and WHO scientists were screaming at the UK to do something but Johnson did nothing. Preferred to go on national TV bragging about shaking hands in hospitals where there were people with Covid 19 and then nearly died of Covid 19. Duh!!

last year scientists warned it was coming but they did nothing to recover the depleted stockpile of PPE. There was even a department set up to work on Pandemics and it was abandoned because Johnson wanted to focus on guess what? Yes, Brexit! While people in China were dying and warnings of the coming pandemic were all too clear Johnson was campaigning for Brexit Bongs FFS!

There are no ifs or buts about this. Johnson fecked it up good and proper. Thats all there is to it.



If all this was as apparent as you make out why were other countries caught out unprepared? Why did other major countries each apply different measures to others? Why was there no Pan-EU plan to prepare member states for the predicted pandemic? Was it just one person who got it wrong?




Edited by Nicepix 2020-06-21 5:35 PM
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Posted: 21 June 2020 5:39 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:15 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


Hear him... hear him ........

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Posted: 21 June 2020 5:51 PM
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jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.


The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.


The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.


Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.

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Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.


Yep......and it was overturned .......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry .......

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And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.


Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/


Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.

The question you asked was if i had "figures from countries that handled it (Covid) better".....not country by country data on job losses. I provided two links (there are alternatives) the second enabling searches for individual countries, eg https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ [insert country name here]

The "allegations" you claim i made were actually direct from the ONS as shown in the op link of this thread. You then asked what my point was - i responded, to which you then posed your second question (as quoted above) - i responded to that with links but as that didn't suit you, you now move the goal posts to wanting "data on job losses" (from other countries).

Only the US and Brazil outranks UK in the number of fatalities from Covid. The US has a population five times that of UK and Brazil more than 3 times. If you think our government handled Covid well i'd be interested to read that as i'm sure many more would too.


You are ducking the question. You allege that jobless figures you quoted are linked to how the UK handled COVID-19 compared to other countries. Nothing that you have posted shows anything to support that. Nothing that you have posted proves the UK handed the COVID-19 situation badly with any link to high unemployment figures.

Until you can post a link to prove that a) the UK handled COVID-19 badly AND that has resulted in more unemployment in the UK then basically this is yet another of your opinions without facts.

It's not an allegation, it's my opinion that our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed. If you think it's been well managed you're more than welcome to make your case but up to now you haven't. As for linking jobless figures to Covid, the second and third para of the report clearly states that as a fact, not "an opinion" if you read it. The ONS quoted those figures, not me, so if you aren't happy about it i suggest you challenge the ONS directly and dispute it with them. https://tinyurl.com/ydbtbwwx

You wanted figures from countries that i thought handled Covid better (read your second post in). I provided you with two links one of which you can look at any country. Currently we have 42,632 confirmed fatalities in UK....and rising with only Brazil and USA having more. Now, if for some reason you think UK has handled the pandemic better than a country of comparable population with 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities, i'd be very interested to read how you draw such a conclusion.
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.


The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.


Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.


Sigh! You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.


Yep......and it was overturned .......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry .......



That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.


The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.


Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.


Sigh! You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.


The fact that they broke the law is a fact and as I said had it been a legally binding referendum it would have been overturned. Thats not an opinion. Its what happened.

You dont remember other countries and the WHO etc screaming at the UK to "do something"? Do you not remember Johnson boasting about shaking hands and saying stuff like "Take it on the chin" while people were dying in Italy in their hundreds? What were they doing then? Its even worse if you dont think they were exploring herd immunity as an idea as what other excuse was there when we knew it was coming?

The facts figures and stats as well as the many posts around that time are all available if you would care to use the search option or learn how to use google. Most of us on here know those facts so there should be no need to post them all again.

You can squirm and twist it all you like but whichever way you try you cannot get around the fact that we have the worse death total in Europe (well north of 60000 probably now) and certainly at one point the worst rate in the world despite the fact that we are an island and had a two to three week head start. Many scientists are now saying that had we locked down just a week or two earlier tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. So why didnt we? We knew what was coming? What do you think Johnsons reasons were for sitting on his hands?

As for the scientific data, its also been well publicised that its being withheld. Starmer etc do not have access it and neither do the media.
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So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.
I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.


Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.


More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If .........

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for .........

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ........

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? ............



Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.


Sorry?

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.


There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.


The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.


Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.


Sigh! You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.


The fact that they broke the law is a fact and as I said had it been a legally binding referendum it would have been overturned. Thats not an opinion. Its what happened.

You dont remember other countries and the WHO etc screaming at the UK to "do something"? Do you not remember Johnson boasting about shaking hands and saying stuff like "Take it on the chin" while people were dying in Italy in their hundreds? What were they doing then? Its even worse if you dont think they were exploring herd immunity as an idea as what other excuse was there when we knew it was coming?

The facts figures and stats as well as the many posts around that time are all available if you would care to use the search option or learn how to use google. Most of us on here know those facts so there should be no need to post them all again.

You can squirm and twist it all you like but whichever way you try you cannot get around the fact that we have the worse death total in Europe (well north of 60000 probably now) and certainly at one point the worst rate in the world despite the fact that we are an island and had a two to three week head start. Many scientists are now saying that had we locked down just a week or two earlier tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. So why didnt we? We knew what was coming? What do you think Johnsons reasons were for sitting on his hands?

As for the scientific data, its also been well publicised that its being withheld. Starmer etc do not have access it and neither do the media.


So, in short you do not have anything to support your claims. But we are expected to believe them anyway
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