Over half a million jobs lost

[Bulletguy]

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 4:52 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-20 11:01 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-20 8:01 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-17 9:34 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-17 7:37 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-16 7:47 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-16 6:12 PM

 

And your point is?

Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show.

 

Have you got figures from the countries that you think handled it better? Because without comparisons this point is totally meaningless.

Financial Times have been running a pretty comprehensive tracker from early on; https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

Another source is the Worldometer site you can key in whatever country; https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

 

Neither of those links show any data on job losses or employment data. In addition, the FT article has a paragraph that implies that many countries are not fully recording COVID deaths and so their official figures are inaccurate:

 

Basically you have posted nothing to support your allegations - again.

*-)

The question you asked was if i had "figures from countries that handled it (Covid) better".....not country by country data on job losses. I provided two links (there are alternatives) the second enabling searches for individual countries, eg https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ [insert country name here]

 

The "allegations" you claim i made were actually direct from the ONS as shown in the op link of this thread. You then asked what my point was - i responded, to which you then posed your second question (as quoted above) - i responded to that with links but as that didn't suit you, you now move the goal posts to wanting "data on job losses" (from other countries).

 

Only the US and Brazil outranks UK in the number of fatalities from Covid. The US has a population five times that of UK and Brazil more than 3 times. If you think our government handled Covid well i'd be interested to read that as i'm sure many more would too.

 

You are ducking the question. You allege that jobless figures you quoted are linked to how the UK handled COVID-19 compared to other countries. Nothing that you have posted shows anything to support that. Nothing that you have posted proves the UK handed the COVID-19 situation badly with any link to high unemployment figures.

 

Until you can post a link to prove that a) the UK handled COVID-19 badly AND that has resulted in more unemployment in the UK then basically this is yet another of your opinions without facts.

It's not an allegation, it's my opinion that our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed. If you think it's been well managed you're more than welcome to make your case but up to now you haven't. As for linking jobless figures to Covid, the second and third para of the report clearly states that as a fact, not "an opinion" if you read it. The ONS quoted those figures, not me, so if you aren't happy about it i suggest you challenge the ONS directly and dispute it with them. https://tinyurl.com/ydbtbwwx

 

You wanted figures from countries that i thought handled Covid better (read your second post in). I provided you with two links one of which you can look at any country. Currently we have 42,632 confirmed fatalities in UK....and rising with only Brazil and USA having more. Now, if for some reason you think UK has handled the pandemic better than a country of comparable population with 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities, i'd be very interested to read how you draw such a conclusion.

[Nicepix]

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 7:28 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 6:05 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:51 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 5:02 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 1:50 PM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:15 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

 

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

 

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.

I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.

 

Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

 

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.

 

More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If *-) .........

 

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for :-| .........

 

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ;-) ........

 

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? >:-) ............

 

 

Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

 

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.

 

Sorry? *-)

 

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

 

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.

 

There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

 

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

 

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.

 

The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

 

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

 

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

 

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

 

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

 

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.

 

Sigh! *-) You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

 

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

 

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

 

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.

 

[Barryd999]

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 6:35 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

Yep......and it was overturned >:-) .......

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

 

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry >:-) .......

 

 

That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.

[Barryd999]

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 6:48 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 7:28 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 6:05 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:51 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 5:02 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 1:50 PM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:15 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

 

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

 

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.

I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.

 

Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

 

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.

 

More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If *-) .........

 

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for :-| .........

 

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ;-) ........

 

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? >:-) ............

 

 

Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

 

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.

 

Sorry? *-)

 

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

 

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.

 

There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

 

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

 

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.

 

The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

 

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

 

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

 

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

 

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

 

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.

 

Sigh! *-) You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

 

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

 

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

 

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.

 

The fact that they broke the law is a fact and as I said had it been a legally binding referendum it would have been overturned. Thats not an opinion. Its what happened.

 

You dont remember other countries and the WHO etc screaming at the UK to "do something"? Do you not remember Johnson boasting about shaking hands and saying stuff like "Take it on the chin" while people were dying in Italy in their hundreds? What were they doing then? Its even worse if you dont think they were exploring herd immunity as an idea as what other excuse was there when we knew it was coming?

 

The facts figures and stats as well as the many posts around that time are all available if you would care to use the search option or learn how to use google. Most of us on here know those facts so there should be no need to post them all again.

 

You can squirm and twist it all you like but whichever way you try you cannot get around the fact that we have the worse death total in Europe (well north of 60000 probably now) and certainly at one point the worst rate in the world despite the fact that we are an island and had a two to three week head start. Many scientists are now saying that had we locked down just a week or two earlier tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. So why didnt we? We knew what was coming? What do you think Johnsons reasons were for sitting on his hands?

 

As for the scientific data, its also been well publicised that its being withheld. Starmer etc do not have access it and neither do the media.

[Nicepix]

Barryd999 - 2020-06-22 4:33 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 6:48 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 7:28 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 6:05 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:51 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-21 5:02 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 1:50 PM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:15 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:58 AM

 

jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:39 PM

 

So presumably the logical conclusion is that if we had shut down earlier the unemployment would be higher.

I suppose you could say if we had bombed Germany in 1935 the death toll in WWW2 would have been less.

 

Not necessarily. Had we contained the disease like some countries did we could have got back to normal faster. Its rife in the UK now and its impossible to lift all the restrictions for the foreseeable. Had the government followed the advice from the WTO and other countries its likely that not only would we have contained the virus and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved but as a result of that containment, life may have returned to normal faster and so could the economy.

 

Its been a monumental fcuk up from the off though. They simply could not have done a worse job if they had put a load of Chimps in charge.

 

More Barry Hindsh*te .......If ....If .....If *-) .........

 

Perhaps .....IF you Losers had accepted that you'd lost 4 years ago, our government wouldn't have still been concentraiting on trying to get Brexit Done, and delivering what the public voted for :-| .........

 

So at least Boris has an excuse for taking his eye off the ball ;-) ........

 

What excuse does the Labour government in Wales .....Or the SNP government in Scotland have? >:-) ............

 

 

Ive told you before. You cannot use the word Hindsight when the entire world was shouting at the UK to do something yet we did nothing because our leaders are morons. As for Brexit, dont even try to twist that one round to being the fault of remainers. Had your bumbling buffoon of a leader and the entire Brexit campaign not been fed a bed of lies to the public and then tried to run roughshod all over our Democracy and Parliament then perhaps it would have been done and dusted sooner and of course "Getting what the public voted for" is not a crash out no deal Brexit which was why so many of us campaigned against it for so long.

 

WTF you on about. Wales and Scotland are under Westminster rule. They have little power to deal with pandemics and of course Johnson kept all the data and science to himself and his cronies and is still doing.

 

Sorry? *-)

 

Riding roughshod over democracy? Surely that was the people who could not accept the results of a democratically held referendum. All what happened after that is purely down to Remain supporters trying to undermine the Referendum.

 

MPs are not virologists. They take their advice off medical experts. Sometimes these experts get it wrong or are unable to correctly predict how a new situation will pan out. That is not the fault of the MPs. So, yes; Hindsight is exactly what you are employing.

 

There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies. I am not going to go through four years worth of posts about it but the reason so many objected and campaigned on after the vote was exactly because of that. A con from start to finish. Had it been a proper democratic and legal campaign without the lies with a democratic vote on the final deal then there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to campaign against it but as we know that wasnt the case.

 

You didnt need to be a Virologist or any kind of scientist to see how this situation would pan out back in Jan-March, we could see it unfolding before our very eyes. Scientists and other world leaders were screaming at Johnson to do something but back then he ignored them. Take it on the chin and shake hands he said before nearly dying of Cornavirus himself. Of course its his fault. We dont know what the scientific data says though do we? Because Johnson wont share it. Scotland and Wales didnt even have access to it either.

 

So no, its nothing to do with Hindsight. We had the time, we knew what was coming and yet we let 60000+ people die because of a grossly incompetent idiot and his sidekick who only had one thing they would focus on. A Damaging no deal Brexit.

 

The Referendum has already been legally challenged and has not been overturned. That is a fact. What you write is an opinion that is not shared by everybody.

 

I don't recall seeing any posts made in Jan to Mar from you or others warning us of this approaching pandemic. Could you please point us to your warnings with links to your posts made in Jan-Mar. I also mention that the UK was not alone in being unprepared for this situation. Perhaps governments are warned about lots of potential problems that may or may not happen and they chose not to regard this one. Not just the UK. France, Italy, Spain, USA, and others were not prepared. In fact I would be interested to hear proof, not opinions, but actual proof of any country that prepared for COVID-19 before March.

 

Your third point again has no base on facts. It is pure opinion.

 

If you are going to continue to make posts like this please learn to accept that your opinion is not a fact. Try repeating it to yourself and you might get to believe it.

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

There were plenty of posts on here and elsewhere arguing that lock down should occur much earlier than it looked like it was going to be. I remember one I did myself about the failure to shut pubs long before they did and then allowing everyone out for one last piss up on Friday night. You go and search them out if you dont believe me.

 

Face it. The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. I just dont know how you can defend them. Its just simply Bizarre.

 

The third point I presume you mean about them keeping the science and data to themselves. It is a fact, they have. Of course they trot out the line all the time that they are following the science like its some kind of excuse for their incompetence but its only a matter of time before one of the scientists breaks ranks and spills the beans.

 

Sigh! *-) You do seem to have a problem in differentiating facts from opinions.

 

The Referendum has been legally challenged and still stands is a fact as I said. Your comments: "There was absolutely nothing democratic about the Brexit vote and campaign. Apart from the fact they broke the law the entire thing was based on a massive bed of lies" are merely opinions. Don't you understand the difference?

 

Second point: I asked for facts or links to factual evidence. Not just a repeat of your opinion. I'll give you an example; You say that: "The Government messed about with some stupid idea of herd immunity most likely coming from Cummings and despite everyone screaming at them because of that we lost our advantage and ended up with the worse death rate in the world on the seven day rolling total as result. " Have you actually got any proof of any of this? For a start your post says "most likely coming from Cummins". So you don't actually know? And you select a particular statistic that fits your purpose. If you looked at other criteria; deaths by population for example you would get a different result. And again you fail to provide proof that the advent of COVID-19 was flagged up by you or others before it actually became a known problem.

 

Third point is similar. I asked for proof. I am still waiting. Your last line confirms that you have none. We are expected to believe your opinion in the absence of such proof.

 

The fact that they broke the law is a fact and as I said had it been a legally binding referendum it would have been overturned. Thats not an opinion. Its what happened.

 

You dont remember other countries and the WHO etc screaming at the UK to "do something"? Do you not remember Johnson boasting about shaking hands and saying stuff like "Take it on the chin" while people were dying in Italy in their hundreds? What were they doing then? Its even worse if you dont think they were exploring herd immunity as an idea as what other excuse was there when we knew it was coming?

 

The facts figures and stats as well as the many posts around that time are all available if you would care to use the search option or learn how to use google. Most of us on here know those facts so there should be no need to post them all again.

 

You can squirm and twist it all you like but whichever way you try you cannot get around the fact that we have the worse death total in Europe (well north of 60000 probably now) and certainly at one point the worst rate in the world despite the fact that we are an island and had a two to three week head start. Many scientists are now saying that had we locked down just a week or two earlier tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. So why didnt we? We knew what was coming? What do you think Johnsons reasons were for sitting on his hands?

 

As for the scientific data, its also been well publicised that its being withheld. Starmer etc do not have access it and neither do the media.

 

So, in short you do not have anything to support your claims. But we are expected to believe them anyway *-)

[Guest pelmetman]

Barryd999 - 2020-06-22 3:20 PM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 6:35 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

Yep......and it was overturned >:-) .......

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

 

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry >:-) .......

 

 

That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/official-eu-remain-campaign-and-lib-dems-fined-thousands-by-election-watchdogs

 

Yeah.......do try and keep up (lol) (lol) (lol) .........

 

 

[Barryd999]

pelmetman - 2020-06-23 8:06 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-22 3:20 PM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 6:35 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

 

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.

 

Yep......and it was overturned >:-) .......

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

 

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry >:-) .......

 

 

That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/official-eu-remain-campaign-and-lib-dems-fined-thousands-by-election-watchdogs

 

Yeah.......do try and keep up (lol) (lol) (lol) .........

 

 

They didnt break the law though. They got fined by the electoral commission for a crappy filing system. Not enough receipts or incomplete records on a few accounts.

[HarveyHeaven]

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

[Nicepix]

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

[jumpstart]

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 9:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

The massive unicorn staring us in the face is the over bureaucratic EU. If you think it is all going swimmingly in the EU ,you clearly haven’t been paying attention to the news.

[Bulletguy]

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

[Nicepix]

Yes, but apart from them not agreeing a budget after three or was it four, days of meetings. And the total side lining of Brussels whilst every country did their own thing regards COVID-19 many breaking EU rules in the process, France and Italy fighting over medical supplies, Greek coastguards taking the engines off refugee's boats and then towing them back into Turkish waters, Germany breaking EU fiscal rules and their Parliament publicly stating that EU laws do not supersede German laws despite the Treaties saying otherwise, Hungary blatantly breaking any rules they see fit, Poland likewise whilst the Czech PM appears to be using EU funding to subsidise his own companies and Macron stating that he will give massive state aid to save Renault from bankruptcy, despite that breaking EU fair play rules, things are going swimmingly in the EU.

[Nicepix]

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show." Again a direct quote. You appear to be making an assumption because Statistica says:

 

"The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom is expected to reach ten percent in the second quarter of 2020, following the outbreak of coronavirus and the closure of several businesses due to social distancing measures. Should the full lockdown end after three months, then unemployment is expected to gradually fall throughout late 2020 and 2021. "

 

This appears to show a different and totally understandable cause of the rise in unemployment and nothing to do with your allegations.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107870/uk-unemployment-forecast/

 

No two countries are reporting the COVID-19 deaths or infections the same. They are all using different criteria. So at the present time you cannot draw conclusions as to who has done it better or worse. The FT report you posted on Page 1 says as much. Death rates in countries reporting low COVID-19 cases are much higher than normal suggesting that many deaths that may be COVID-19 related have not been recorded as such.

 

Get the whole facts, not just the ones that support your opinions.

[Bulletguy]

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.

2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

 

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.

[Nicepix]

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 5:27 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.

2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

 

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.

 

In your opinion. *-) That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

 

You see, unlike you I don't believe that the UK Government has only two things on their agenda. According to your posts they are pre-occupied with COVID-19 and Brexit, nothing else. I would suggest that they might also be keeping their eye on security issues in the Middle East, Far East, South America and Ireland for example. They might have their eye on other matters; generation of electricity, pollution, the environment and other issues.

 

Governments also have a duty to consider wider issues than the obvious. What you are making your allegations on are based purely on the medical advice given to Government. But the Government also have to consider the wider issues such as employment, financial, law and order, public safety, etc. If the Government had acted purely on medical advice and acted purely on that it could have created even more problems for the public at large. We already saw panic buying and other anti-social behaviour. That could have been a lot worse if the Government had gone into full lock down earlier. It also could have over loaded the NHS and resulted in more medical staff being affected. It could have resulted in localised shortages of food and medicines on a much larger scale than happened creating more problems for the vulnerable. These things need a structured approach based n a wider view.

 

All you see is something to beat Johnson and Cummins with.

[Bulletguy]

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 6:02 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 5:27 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.

2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

 

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.

 

In your opinion. *-) That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

 

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.

[Nicepix]

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 7:58 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 6:02 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 5:27 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.

2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

 

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.

 

In your opinion. *-) That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

 

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.

 

No. I asked you what point that you were making from the jobless figures and you claimed it showed that Johnson had mis-managed the COVID-19 situation. You made that link. Nobody else and I have not seen it documented elsewhere.

 

You have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence of the things that you claim and you have repeatedly avoided answering the questions, and you still cannot provide answers. Your stance has shifted only because you cannot justify your initial allegations so you are changing track and trying to prove something else instead.

[jumpstart]

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:20 PM

 

Yes, but apart from them not agreeing a budget after three or was it four, days of meetings. And the total side lining of Brussels whilst every country did their own thing regards COVID-19 many breaking EU rules in the process, France and Italy fighting over medical supplies, Greek coastguards taking the engines off refugee's boats and then towing them back into Turkish waters, Germany breaking EU fiscal rules and their Parliament publicly stating that EU laws do not supersede German laws despite the Treaties saying otherwise, Hungary blatantly breaking any rules they see fit, Poland likewise whilst the Czech PM appears to be using EU funding to subsidise his own companies and Macron stating that he will give massive state aid to save Renault from bankruptcy, despite that breaking EU fair play rules, things are going swimmingly in the EU.

 

Summed up perfectly.

[Bulletguy]

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 7:35 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 7:58 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 6:02 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 5:27 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

 

Nicepix - 2020-06-24 2:55 PM

 

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?

 

Once again;

 

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

 

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.

2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

 

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.

 

In your opinion. *-) That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

 

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.

 

No. I asked you what point that you were making from the jobless figures and you claimed it showed that Johnson had mis-managed the COVID-19 situation. You made that link. Nobody else and I have not seen it documented elsewhere.

 

You have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence of the things that you claim and you have repeatedly avoided answering the questions, and you still cannot provide answers. Your stance has shifted only because you cannot justify your initial allegations so you are changing track and trying to prove something else instead.

And as i said in the preceding post i still stand by that. Johnson has mis-managed the Covid outbreak and the stats for such a small country are horrendous. As for changing track that was you when asked for countries i though had handled it better. I gave you links so you could see for yourself, but then you changed track once again to then wanting data on job losses. Outside of UK that was a pretty ludicrous, and pointless expectation, as why would anyone in UK want to know job losses due to Covid in another country?

[Guest pelmetman]

HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 9:53 AM

 

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!

 

I see no Unicorns ;-) ...........

 

Just bitter and twisted Losers (lol) (lol) (lol) .........

 

5 days until No Way Back Day :D ..........

 

191 days until Gloaty McGloatface Day B-) .........

[Nicepix]

15,000 jobs to go at French giant Airbus due to COVID-19. Damn that Boris Johnson and his mis-management *-)