Guest Peter James Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Interesting thread on the Fiat Forum about the panel rear van doors. Some of the early doors are cracking where the hinge is attached. Apparently Citroen are saying this is not covered under the warranty where corrosion inspections have not been carried out. But the problem appears to be the hinges getting stiff (through lack of effective lubrication) and flexing the area where they are attached as the door is opened and closed. http://www.fiatforum.com/ducato/298504-x2-50-270-degree-rear-doors.html#post3004843 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I will have a look at my 2011 van later, but IIRC these are metal to metal bearing hinges, in which case spraying with silicon is most definatly not to be recommended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 colin - 2012-04-22 2:08 PM I will have a look at my 2011 van later, but IIRC these are metal to metal bearing hinges, in which case spraying with silicon is most definatly not to be recommended I don't know anything about that. I am just going by what it says on the can of my 'Hycote' Silicone spray; QUOTE; Silicone Spray... Heavy duty lubricant for a wide range of demanding uses... Silicone spray is excellent for a wide range of uses within the automotive industry such as lubrication of locks, hinges, door seals, window channels, aerials, speedometer cables and battery terminals. It can also help in the waterproofing and protection of ignition cables and most other electrical parts i.e coils, distribution caps etc.. The use of silicone is especially ideal where it is necessary to have clean and yet effective lubricating applications.. LINK; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Spray-Heavy-Lubricant-Hycote/dp/B004SOO4U6 LINK; http://www.hycote.co.uk/ - then click on 'silicone spray' PS: The link to amazon is an illustration, not a recommendation. My can has a Trago Mills price ticket of £2.09 - less than halfthe price of Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I notice that complaints about this type of problem were being made not too long after the introduction of the current Ducato range: http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/car-reviews/2007/Fiat/Ducato/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Thanks for the link - just been looking at the Citroen Relay reviews on there :D 8-) David Bamlett, Durham .......(long list of electrical faults)......... and one more I can remember is the heaters are so useless I had them looked at... no problem says Citroen - it’s that bad I have bought an inverter for the van to convert 12 volts into 240 volts and I now have a 1000 watt electric heater plugged in by my feet! It was a lot cheaper than going down the diesel cab heater route for about 600 quid plus fitting. http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/road-test-reports/Citroen/Relay/ *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Peter James - 2012-04-22 3:31 PM colin - 2012-04-22 2:08 PM I will have a look at my 2011 van later, but IIRC these are metal to metal bearing hinges, in which case spraying with silicon is most definatly not to be recommended I don't know anything about that. I am just going by what it says on the can of my 'Hycote' Silicone spray; QUOTE; Silicone Spray... Heavy duty lubricant for a wide range of demanding uses... Silicone spray is excellent for a wide range of uses within the automotive industry such as lubrication of locks, hinges, door seals, window channels, aerials, speedometer cables and battery terminals. It can also help in the waterproofing and protection of ignition cables and most other electrical parts i.e coils, distribution caps etc.. The use of silicone is especially ideal where it is necessary to have clean and yet effective lubricating applications.. LINK; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Spray-Heavy-Lubricant-Hycote/dp/B004SOO4U6 LINK; http://www.hycote.co.uk/ - then click on 'silicone spray' PS: The link to amazon is an illustration, not a recommendation. My can has a Trago Mills price ticket of £2.09 - less than halfthe price of Amazon. That would depend on what else might be in the can, if it's just silicone then I'm afraid the manufacturer don't know their arse from their elbow. Claims such as this where made about silicone gun oil when it came on the market, many have ended up with a rifle turned in to a piece of scrap iron with the bolt seized up. If on otherhand the silicone is a carrier for ptfe thats a whole different case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 colin - 2012-04-22 4:47 PM Peter James - 2012-04-22 3:31 PM colin - 2012-04-22 2:08 PM I will have a look at my 2011 van later, but IIRC these are metal to metal bearing hinges, in which case spraying with silicon is most definatly not to be recommended I don't know anything about that. I am just going by what it says on the can of my 'Hycote' Silicone spray; QUOTE; Silicone Spray... Heavy duty lubricant for a wide range of demanding uses... Silicone spray is excellent for a wide range of uses within the automotive industry such as lubrication of locks, hinges, door seals, window channels, aerials, speedometer cables and battery terminals. It can also help in the waterproofing and protection of ignition cables and most other electrical parts i.e coils, distribution caps etc.. The use of silicone is especially ideal where it is necessary to have clean and yet effective lubricating applications.. LINK; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Spray-Heavy-Lubricant-Hycote/dp/B004SOO4U6 LINK; http://www.hycote.co.uk/ - then click on 'silicone spray' PS: The link to amazon is an illustration, not a recommendation. My can has a Trago Mills price ticket of £2.09 - less than halfthe price of Amazon. That would depend on what else might be in the can, if it's just silicone then I'm afraid the manufacturer don't know their arse from their elbow. Claims such as this where made about silicone gun oil when it came on the market, many have ended up with a rifle turned in to a piece of scrap iron with the bolt seized up. If on otherhand the silicone is a carrier for ptfe thats a whole different case. It doesn't say anything about PTFE on the can, just a warning not to use it 'when any painting is in progress' (I have been using Hycote Silicone Spray for years and the paint shows no sign of damage, seems to polish it like silicone wax.) I have also used it on window channels which makes the windows wind up and down much easier, again can't see any damage. But I know verylittle about the chemistry. If you read what it says on their website you will know as much about their products as me http://www.hycote.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 colin - 2012-04-22 4:47 PM Claims such as this where made about silicone gun oil when it came on the market, many have ended up with a rifle turned in to a piece of scrap iron with the bolt seized up. I don't suppose its as good a lubricant as oil or grease, but you can't get grease in, and oil is very messy. If its better than nothing it might stop the hinges seizing up and the door breaking away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I've been using silicone spray on the rear door hinges of my X2/50 van for 9 years and they are still OK. I think any lubricant will do the job as long as it penetrates. Lidl have PTFE spray in at the moment £2.49 a can, with a handy tube to direct the spray. Just tried it on the rear door hinges. Its funny stuff that quickly dries to a white powdery film (easily removed) So I don't know whether it penetates any better. I suspect not as it dries so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 colin - 2012-04-22 4:47 PM Peter James - 2012-04-22 3:31 PM colin - 2012-04-22 2:08 PM I will have a look at my 2011 van later, but IIRC these are metal to metal bearing hinges, in which case spraying with silicon is most definatly not to be recommended I don't know anything about that. I am just going by what it says on the can of my 'Hycote' Silicone spray; QUOTE; Silicone Spray... Heavy duty lubricant for a wide range of demanding uses... Silicone spray is excellent for a wide range of uses within the automotive industry such as lubrication of locks, hinges, door seals, window channels, aerials, speedometer cables and battery terminals. It can also help in the waterproofing and protection of ignition cables and most other electrical parts i.e coils, distribution caps etc.. The use of silicone is especially ideal where it is necessary to have clean and yet effective lubricating applications.. LINK; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Spray-Heavy-Lubricant-Hycote/dp/B004SOO4U6 LINK; http://www.hycote.co.uk/ - then click on 'silicone spray' PS: The link to amazon is an illustration, not a recommendation. My can has a Trago Mills price ticket of £2.09 - less than halfthe price of Amazon. That would depend on what else might be in the can, if it's just silicone then I'm afraid the manufacturer don't know their arse from their elbow. Claims such as this where made about silicone gun oil when it came on the market, many have ended up with a rifle turned in to a piece of scrap iron with the bolt seized up. If on otherhand the silicone is a carrier for ptfe thats a whole different case. Rifles get hot in use. PTFE is far more heat resistant than silicone Because silicone doesn't work on rifles doesn't mean it won't work on door hinges. Its worked on mine - but I've used it regularly, not waited till they seize up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Blimey! - You're even answering your own posts now..........albeit 6 years later 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 globebuster - 2018-05-14 7:42 PM Blimey! - You're even answering your own posts now..........albeit 6 years later 8-) Not answering - Adding to. I can see it takes time for you to absorb information, so i spread it out over 6 years , ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroserv Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 This is definitely something to look out for on an older PVC if you are buying used. We had huge problems with rear door hinges on our first batch of X250's in 2007. The only thing to do was spot it early and avoid the cracking to the door skins getting too bad. We changed dozens of hinges at great expense; some of the new ones turned up even more stiff than the ones we were removing and had to be rejected. The problem has been much less severe on later vans but we still get the odd one that is tighter than is ideal. I don't think there have been any re-designs or superceded part numbers, but the quality control has clearly improved since about 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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