Guest Peter James Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. Any sleazy politician can increase the penalties as a populist stunt. To try and make up for a pathetic detection rate by increasing the penalties is a sure and certain sign of a tenth rate criminal justice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 antony1969 - 2011-03-26 6:03 PM Peter , your posts come across as though you have symapthy for this vile crap you talk about . Go fight your straw man somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 I thought this chatroom was for adults ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. Any sleazy politician can increase the penalties as a populist stunt. To try and make up for a pathetic detection rate by increasing the penalties is a sure and certain sign of a tenth rate criminal justice system. Increasing the detection rate is hardly a deterrent if the criminals don't mind going to prison. It just means that there would be more of them in there, more often. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Momma Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 knight of the road - 2011-03-26 5:42 PM I only drink decaff tea with milk and 2 sugars. just one sugar in mine then thanks :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Momma Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. So Peter, and just what suggestions do you have to improve the detection rate ? And remember, we need you to make a 20% reduction in whatever resources you have, including workforce and no overtime for those that you may be able to keep employed. Looking forward to seeing your suggestions :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Well people complain about these camera,s dotted everywhere! but they have managed to catch this cabbie that murdered this poor girl Sean O'Callaghan he has been charged with her murder as his cab was seen picking her up outside the nightclub and he has now admitted to her murder. According to his neighbours he was Mr Niceguy :-S it just goes to show you never know what people are capible off. As far as Im concerned they can install security camera,s at every street corner! dont worry they could never afford to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Big Momma - 2011-03-26 9:13 PM Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. So Peter, and just what suggestions do you have to improve the detection rate ? And remember, we need you to make a 20% reduction in whatever resources you have, including workforce and no overtime for those that you may be able to keep employed. Looking forward to seeing your suggestions :D Well the police can't work without information from the public. Since the miners strike the police have been seen as being on the same side as Thatcher. We need to bring the public back on the same side as the police by abolishing petty traffic laws for example. By harmonizing the rates of tax on alcohol with the rest of Europe so otherwise law abiding people are not tempted to become booze runners. By abolishing the unworkable laws on brothels so that working girls are not forced out on to the streets to be targets for nutcases. etc etc Decent people must be able to feel free to talk to the police without fear of dropping anybody in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 malc d - 2011-03-26 7:26 PM Increasing the detection rate is hardly a deterrent if the criminals don't mind going to prison. :-( If they don't mind going to prison why do we see these desperate car chases on television where the criminals are trying to get away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 27, 2011 Author Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter , do you read your own postings . I ask because you talk the biggest load of drivel on here after me . " The police are on Thatchers side " its like a line from a Ben Elton sketch from the 80s and your car chase line absolute pure gold . Thanks for the laugh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James. If they don't mind going to prison why do we see these desperate car chases on television where the criminals are trying to get away? Because they still want to drive cars, if they are caught there's not much opportunity to drive them in prison.Cousin is a P.O. at Strangeways, apart from tucking them up in bed and getting them up for breakfast, they do much what they please without much fear of punishment, because the P.O's hands are tied due to having to be respectful to the prisoners 8-)Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. Any sleazy politician can increase the penalties as a populist stunt. To try and make up for a pathetic detection rate by increasing the penalties is a sure and certain sign of a tenth rate criminal justice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. Any sleazy politician can increase the penalties as a populist stunt. To try and make up for a pathetic detection rate by increasing the penalties is a sure and certain sign of a tenth rate criminal justice system.Can I ask. Why as the thread title been changed?Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 If we are talking about crime in general, the most striking correlation is between the crime rate, and the gap between rich and poor. You can see that in any country that keeps reliable statistics. As the gap between rich and poor widens, the crime rate increases. The evidence is overwhelming. But people still ignore it if it doesn't suit their politics. Even to the point of regurgitating all this s**te about criminals preferring to be in jail. Must have a very desperate life outside jail if thats the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 nowtelse2do - 2011-03-27 1:50 PM Peter James - 2011-03-26 6:10 PM The real deterrent of course, is to improve the detection rate. Unfortunately it takes brains to do that. Any sleazy politician can increase the penalties as a populist stunt. To try and make up for a pathetic detection rate by increasing the penalties is a sure and certain sign of a tenth rate criminal justice system.Can I ask. Why as the thread title been changed?DaveI think it just drifted on to crime in general because we have nothing to disagree on over the murdered girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-27 12:43 PM malc d - 2011-03-26 7:26 PM Increasing the detection rate is hardly a deterrent if the criminals don't mind going to prison. :-( If they don't mind going to prison why do we see these desperate car chases on television where the criminals are trying to get away? I've not seen any " desperate " car chases on TV - the baddies always seem to be enjoying them. (And if they were scared of going back to prison they wouldn't have nicked the car in the first place ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Poor detection rate but yet the prisons are full. How come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 George Collings - 2011-03-27 2:37 PM Poor detection rate but yet the prisons are full. How come. That's an easy question. Not enough prisons. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 No villain wants to go to prison willingly but these tinpot villains look upon a short spell in the nick as a badge of office to their likeminded cronies, but watch the look on a villains face when he is sent down for a 10 stretch, a bit different than doing 12 months in a cushy billet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 malc d - 2011-03-27 4:25 PM George Collings - 2011-03-27 2:37 PM Poor detection rate but yet the prisons are full. How come. That's an easy question. Not enough prisons. ;-) Britain already has a greater percentage of its population in prison than any other country in Europe. Why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-27 4:40 PM malc d - 2011-03-27 4:25 PM George Collings - 2011-03-27 2:37 PM Poor detection rate but yet the prisons are full. How come. That's an easy question. Not enough prisons. ;-) Britain already has a greater percentage of its population in prison than any other country in Europe. Why is this?[/quote And what percentage of Britains prison inmates are foreigners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Momma Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 It is okay talking about 'Detection' rates but what about looking at Prevention of the crimes in the first place. If the Organised Crime Groups could be dismantled then there would be none of the associated criminality at the lower end of the crime syndicates, the suppliers and dealers (Drugs, Illegal Weapons, Immigration Crime etc. etc.) would not have the commodities to sell and that would reduce the crimes that are associated to raising the cash to buy the commodities e.g. Thefts, Muggings etc. This of course relates to what we would call 'Higher Level Crime' or 'Serious Organised Crime'. There is then the lower level crimes not associated to Organised Cime Groups, the scroats that will nick your car for no other purpose than 'joyriding', burglary etc. Tougher sentences no namby pamby social worker making excuses because they have had a hard upbringing etc. Deterrants are only workable if the punishment is severe. If you knew that if you committed murder that once prosecuted and found guilty that you yourself would be 'killed' then you are going to think twice about it. However, if you know that if you get caught you are likely to go to prison with a chance of being released early if you are good in prison, then you are released and get on with your lfe (unlike your victim), then how is that a deterrant to committing murder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 knight of the road - 2011-03-27 4:50 PM And what percentage of Britains prison inmates are foreigners? I don't know, depends how you define 'foreigners' I guess. In terms of past occupation, by far the greatest number of prisoners are soldiers. Last I heard there were more (ex) soldiers in jail than there were in Afghanistan. source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/24/jailed-veteran-servicemen-outnumber-troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 People who think British prisons are soft should take a look at Norway. They have a far lower crime rate, as well as a far lower percentage of the population in jail there. But the prisons are not what you would expect: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/14/norway-prison-erwin-james?INTCMP=SRCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Peter James - 2011-03-27 5:23 PM knight of the road - 2011-03-27 4:50 PM And what percentage of Britains prison inmates are foreigners? I don't know, depends how you define 'foreigners' I guess. In terms of past occupation, by far the greatest number of prisoners are soldiers. Last I heard there were more (ex) soldiers in jail than there were in Afghanistan. source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/24/jailed-veteran-servicemen-outnumber-troops Ex British soldiers in our jails are expendable, they have been used and then cast aside as being of no further use, that is how this country rewards its veterans, shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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