Guest pelmetman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Good 4 Sod'all............. *-) There are times when the private sector is not the right choice, hopefully they'll get the bill for their cockups ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 What I do not understand is how anyone could possibly think that circa 20,000 people of the right calibre and character could be found to, presumably, give up whatever job they currently had, to earn £8 an hour for a few weeks and then go back to whatever job they originally had? Is it me or were everyone involved in setting up such a contract totally barmy if they thought that such a tall order was in any way possible?? If you think that probably one in 5 people interviewed would be suitable then that means 100,000 people need to get to interview. And to get anyone to that interview you usually need to have several more applicants. And so we are probably looking at at least double that number again so you would need circa 200,000 to 250,000 applicants? The order of magnitude of the task is stunning For a single company to be given tha task is, I believe, the real issue. Barmy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Apparently there are thousands of unpaid 'volunteers' who would presumably be happy with G4S wages. G4S could have dropped their standards to make up the numbers, but they didn't. So I think they are being pilloried a bit too much. Incidentally have you seen the Olympic Mascot. I thought it looked like a Penis. Does this mean there are more cock ups to come ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Peter James - 2012-07-16 7:06 PM I thought it looked like a Penis. A hint of more cock ups to come perhaps ;-) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Maybe the W on the top stands for Willy :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It's won a lot of medals :-D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Now hindsight has come to the fore, it seems that G4s vetting of applicants for security jobs wasn't that thorough, some of the applicants apparently have little command of the English Language too, why are the Security People paid so little for such an important job ,it is no wonder they can't attract the best people , I wonder how many Terrorists will be wearing Security jackets at the Games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 They do have a history of cock ups ;-) Origins G4S has its origins in a guarding business founded in Copenhagen in 1901 by Marius Hogrefe originally known as Kjøbenhavn Frederiksberg Nattevagt and subsequently renamed Falck.[5] In 2000 Group 4, a security firm formed in the 1960s in Belgium, merged with Falck to form Group 4 Falck.[5] Following the decision by the British Government in 1993 to enter into a contract with Group 4 to provide security for prisons, the company was embarrassed after a series of security blunders, including escaped prisoners.[6] In 2002 Group 4 Falck went on to buy The Wackenhut Corporation in the USA.[7] In 2003 Group 4 Falck signed a Detention Services Contract with the Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs (Australia).[8] Under this contract Group 4 Falck took over direct control of Australia's refugee detention centres from Australasian Correctional Management, owned by its subsidiary Wackenhut, which had run them since 1998. In 2004 Group 4 Falck merged with Securicor, a security firm founded in 1935 in London, to form G4S.[9] [edit]2004 to 2010 A G4S van in central London In 2005 and 2006 G4S was the subject of a global campaign by union workers alleging that its subsidiaries undermine labour and human rights standards. Some of these groups were organised under the banner of the SEIU funded Focus on Group 4 Securicor.[10] This group supported protests at Group 4 Securicor's annual general meeting in London in 2005[11] and again in 2006. G4S subsidiary Wackenhut, in September of 2005, faced allegations of security lapses at seven military bases where it was contracted to provide services. The company claimed the accusations were false and promoted by a union seeking to enroll its employees.[12] In March of 2006, whistle-blowers employed at Wackenhut released information to the press revealing that the company cheated on an anti-terrorism drill at a US nuclear site. It also performed poorly on another drill at a separate location. The allegations claimed that Wackenhut systematically violated weapons inventory and handling policies and that managers showed new hires spots at the facilities where they could take naps and cut corners during patrols.[13] The 2006 US State Department Report on Human Rights in Indonesia released in March 2006 featured the on-going dispute in Jakarta with Group4/Securicor.[14] In July 2006 the Indonesian Securicor workers had a substantial win – but the campaigners continue to support other Group 4 Securicor workers.[15] The company disputed these claims and pointed to its strong relationships with unions around the world, including the GMB in Britain.[16] In March 2008, it was announced that G4S were taking over Scottish Rock Steady Group – who steward at major sporting and music events mostly in the UK. Rock Steady events have included Live8 concerts in London, Scottish FA Cup Final & the Download Festival.[17] In April 2008, G4S acquired RONCO Consulting Corporation, one of the world’s premier humanitarian and commercial mine action, ordnance disposal and security companies.[18] In July of 2007, US Senator Bob Casey urged Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne to re-examine federal plans involving Wackenhut and its operations at US nuclear facilities, public transit systems and the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia. The Senator said the company was responsible for short-changing its employees.[19] The following winter, the New York Times reported that the Exelon Corporation would replace Wackenhut as an in-house security provider at ten US nuclear power plants. This followed the discovery of guards sleeping while on the clock.[20] In May 2008, the Company acquired ArmorGroup International.[21] Also in May 2008 G4S plc completed its £355 million acquisition of Global Solutions Limited.[22] In December 2008 G4S and UNI, the global union, announced the launch of an Ethical Employment Partnership, which will drive improvements in standards across the global security industry.[23] Also in December 2008, G4S and the SEIU reached an agreement to end their long dispute and establish a framework to work together in the interest of employees.[24] In 2009, G4S continued to acquire companies: Secura Monde International Limited and Shiremoor International Engineering Limited, together, the UK’s leading specialist banknote and high security technical and commercial advisory companies; All Star International, one of the premier facilities management and base operations support companies providing services to the US Government; Adesta, US-based provider of integrated security systems and communication systems; and Hill & Associates Consultants Limited, Asia’s leading provider of specialist risk mitigation consulting services.[5] In 2008, G4S also acquired Touchcom, Inc. for $23 million. Touchcom, Inc. is located in the Burlington/Bedford, Massachusetts area. The rebranding of Touchcom, Inc. to G4S was completed by 1 January 2012.[25] In 2009, an Aboriginal man from Western Australia died of heat stroke after being transported in a G4S (then GSL) van without air conditioning or water.[26] Criminal charges were never laid despite a GSL company spokesperson admitting there were "grounds for concern". This came after GSL had already been criticised in 2005 for their handling of Australia's detained immigrants in a report undertaken by former Head of Queensland's Corrective Services Keith Hamburger.[27] The Västberga helicopter robbery occurred on 23 September 2009 in Sweden. Both G4S's own security and the police work were criticised.[28] In the autumn of 2009, G4S personnel in Australia went on strike, arguing that the company had subjected them to low pay and poor working conditions. The strike imperiled the operations of the court system in the state of Victoria. The guards provided entry-point screening for weapons and bombs in both the County Court and Magistrates Court, as well as additional security in the court rooms themselves.[29] [edit]2010 to present [edit]Death of Jimmy Mubenga In October 2010, three G4S-guards heavily restrained and held down 46-year old Angolan deportee Jimmy Mubenga on departing British Airways flight 77, at Heathrow Airport. Security guards kept him restrained in his seat as he began shouting and seeking to resist his deportation. Police and paramedics were called when Mubenga lost consciousness. The aircraft, which had been due to lift off, then returned to the terminal.[30] Mubenga was pronounced dead later that evening at Hillingdon hospital.[31] Passengers reported hearing cries of "don't do this" and "they are trying to kill me." Scotland Yard's homicide unit began an investigation after the death became categorized as "unexplained". Three private security guards, contracted to escort deportees for the Home Office, were released on bail, after having been interviewed about the incident.[30] Nobody was charged for the death of Mubenga. In February of 2011, The Guardian reported that G4S guards in the United Kingdom had been repeatedly warned about the use of potentially lethal force on detainees and asylum seekers. Confidential informants and several employees released the information to reporters after G4S's practices allegedly led to the death of Jimmy Mubenga. An internal document urged management to "meet this problem head on before the worst happens" and that G4S was "playing Russian roulette with detainees' lives."[32] The following autumn, the company once again faced allegations of abuse. G4S guards were accused of verbally harassing and intimidating detainees with offensive and racist language.[33] [edit]Official Provider to London 2012 In March 2011 the London 2012 Organising Committee (LOCOG) announced that G4S Secure Solutions (UK) has been appointed official Security Services Provider for the London 2012 Olympic Games.[34] On 12 July 2012 it was announced that 3,500 British troops would be deployed at the 2012 Summer Olympics due to a shortage of adequately trained G4S security staff, with Labour MP Keith Vaz claiming that, "G4S has let the country down and we have literally had to send in the troops." [35] Shares in G4S later dropped 9% after the firm claimed it faced a possible £50 million loss as a result of failing to provide sufficient trained staff for the 2012 Olympic Games.[36] I wonder if our politicians appointed them as the fall guy 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 pelmetman - 2012-07-16 7:11 PM Peter James - 2012-07-16 7:06 PM I thought it looked like a Penis. A hint of more cock ups to come perhaps ;-) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Maybe the W on the top stands for Willy :D ... well it is also know as the 'one eyed monster'!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Off Topic...but I had to laugh today when they said on the news that some of the coach drivers ferrying the foreign athletes about,got lost and ended up drivin' 'em around for hours on end... (lol) ....It's JUST like that "Twenty Twelve" comedy series that's been on.... *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Oooooh er.....It's getting better G4S are not sure how many people will turn up for work!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mel B - 2012-07-16 8:38 PM pelmetman - 2012-07-16 7:11 PM Peter James - 2012-07-16 7:06 PM I thought it looked like a Penis. A hint of more cock ups to come perhaps ;-) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Maybe the W on the top stands for Willy :D ... well it is also know as the 'one eyed monster'!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol)I'm surprised that you know about such things, Mel. You being an upstanding member of the WI and all. (lol) It's also known as the purple headed monster or trouser snake as well. :$ :$ :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 pepe63 - 2012-07-16 8:52 PM ....It's JUST like that "Twenty Twelve" comedy series that's been on.... *-) Goodness ---- Is that a comedy ? I thought it was a documentary. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laimeduck Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Peter James - 2012-07-16 7:06 PM Incidentally have you seen the Olympic Mascot. I thought it looked like a Penis. Crikey .... if that's what you think I'd get down to casualty if I were you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 laimeduck - 2012-07-16 11:08 PM Peter James - 2012-07-16 7:06 PM Incidentally have you seen the Olympic Mascot. I thought it looked like a Penis. Crikey .... if that's what you think I'd get down to casualty if I were you Either that..or rig up a webcam and get in touch with this lot... http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/ (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkc Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 nowtelse2do - 2012-07-16 7:18 PM It's won a lot of medals :-D Dave True, but for coming last apparently. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laimeduck Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Another accurate summary picture:#~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's given me yet another good idea. I'm coming out of retirement to start a new company specifically to mismanage major events. Doesn't matter how big or important the event we will be happy to mismanage it and charge you for it. Think I'll call it GCU4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddies104 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 G4S Get Fourthousand Soldiers (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 When I used to see the G4S vans running about I thought they were gas utility vans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 How many G4S staff does it take to change a light bulb...... 6 coppers and a soldier. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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