Barryd999 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think page 5 of this thread deserves an award or something. I need a new keyboard as I have spewed coffee all over this one laughing. I may have also wet my pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brian Kirby - 2014-02-28 4:15 PM I really shouldn't, but this thread is so far off topic, what the hell! :-D We have this contributor who heaps scorn and invective on others for criticising the Caravan Club, almost as though it was his own private domain, on the basis that they are not only wrong, but are inherently nasty, or stupid, people who know nothing of what they speak. He then goes on to say, in a string concerning clubs: Had Enough - 2014-02-26 11:34 PM I've been in both and quit the C&CC much preferring the Caravan Club........................ I don't use their sites much as I mainly go abroad but when I do they are always of the highest standard. ............................ So, it seems this sweeping authority on CC sites may know about as much of what he speaks as those he criticises. He chastises in superior tone those who express a preference for aires or wild camping, for doing so merely because they are too mean to pay, as he does, for sites. He then goes on to say, in this string, concerning his camping preferences: Had Enough - 2014-02-28 12:51 PM .................You couldn't be more wrong. I use aires when travelling and will wild camp but only if it's truly wild. If we fancy staying somewhere for a couple of days or more and wish to just relax we'll find a nice site, often a municipal or smallish one. ................. So, he's not quite so keen on flashing his cash as he'd have us all believe, it seems! :-) Will the real Frank Wilkinson please stand up? Behind all the bluff and bluster there is aire using, wilding, motorhomer who doesn't use CC sites that much and who, when abroad seems to prefer "municipal" or "small" sites. His choice of sites is, I assume, based on their relative cheapness. He scorns another's gin palace, while travelling in what, to many, would seem a gin palace. Your's is, because it's yours: mine isn't, because it's mine. Is that clear? I, CJ, am invariably right, and you, not being CJ, are invariably wrong. But when I am criticissed for my arrogant and rude posts, it is not my, Charlie Brown's, fault, but because you say things to which I am compelled to respond. If you find my response bullying and abrasive it is only because, however you expressed your criticism, I know it to be bullying and abrasive in intent. So I am merely responding in kind. On this I will brook no dissent, it is how I see it, and you are incontrovertibly wrong. So you see, it isn't my fault at all, it is yours. Oh, Charlie Brown! Please Sir, he started it! And he admits to being 69! Time to leave junior school, I think. Most cruelly, he takes no account of the fact that there are people who have even less than he has, who have scraped together the cost of a modest motorhome - not to swank their wealth, but to enjoy its use. His attacks on the tightwads inevitably include these modest folk, tempting them to protest, in their defence, that the reason they use aires and wild camp in their modest motorhomes is not through choice, but because it is all they can afford. Catch 22. What greater public humiliation could one person impose on another, than that? Please give it some thought. Well Brian, you surprise me. I thought that you at least would read more carefully than most. It's not too difficult to work out, I have used CC sites for many years and still use them occasionally but we now go abroad more often. But you only need to use them two or three times a year to know that the standards are as high as ever. And I use small simple sites because I prefer small simple sites such as municipals when in France. CC sites are just that actually and are as near to a French municipal as you can get. I do not enjoy all singing all dancing sites although am happy to use them in the low season when they're quiet and if that's all that available in the locality. And I have never criticised anyone for not wishing to pay for sites and continually stress that what anyone enjoys, sites, aires, wild camping is there prerogative. But what I abhor is those who don't like paying for sites but will do anything but admit it and instead will give us these grossly exaggerated tales of how every site is a hell hole and every warden is a gestapo trained sadist. There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't want to pay for sites, I don't want to pay tolls". But we get all the guff about how sites are prisons full of thick people, or how much nicer it is to take twice as long to get to where you're going by wandering through boring industrial areas, and this by people who've driven to Dover on motorways! Your description of me of valuing people on how much they spend has no bearing in truth and I ask you to show me an example where I have ever said as such. One more example is a regular here who has a very old motorhome. He constantly suggests that what he's doing is the right thing and that we're all silly for buying new or nearly new ones and our only reason is to impress the neighbours. It's dishonest and if he was left a lot of money tomorrow we all know what the first thing is that he'd buy! And I don't mind criticism of anything as long as it's fair, but do you consider that describing the typical CC warden as a detestable sergeant major is fair? Do you consider the constant claim, made without any proof, that the CC somehow treats motorhomers differently? Please read the Clubs thread and you'll see that my criticism of that view is backed up totally by most others who responded. And I don't scorn large motorhomes either or small ones and I thought that you may have worked out that I was responding to very nasty post from erneboy whose view of people like you and me, who do use sites, is disgraceful. Have you read it? So regrettably, your assumption that I know nothing about CC sites is wrong. Your assumption that I flash the cash but are then are too mean to use expensive sites is fallacious and even worse, your assumption that I look down on people who don't want to pay for sites is insulting and untrue. Finally, I defend the Caravan Club because I think it's a decent and well run organisation. But you must admit that some of the criticism levelled at it is ludicrous and seems to emanate from people with no knowledge of its structure and whose only reason is a chip on their shoulder from some slight that may have happened ten years ago. And I only use scorn on those who themselves post in similar fashion. Read many of my responses about how the club works and you'll see that they are just that, responses that detail its structure and the fact that it is a club, with local centres etc. and are reasoned and polite. I'm not perfect by a long way but much of this attack by you is unfair and unfounded. Ps I'm only 68! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:24 PM Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. No that's me. I was a member of Facts and resigned in protest at what I thought was the heavy-handed moderating by member-moderators who would freeze a thread and give no explanation, even when asked.It was almost Stalinist! And guess what? Shortly after I quit they abolished the system of member-moderators and abandoned it completely, so it seems that I wasn't the only one who felt that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-02-28 5:23 PM..................I'm not perfect by a long way but much of this attack by you is unfair and unfounded........ Touché! :-) But how to respond? Apologise, or say "It's an Internet forum for God's sake and if you can't stand a bit of rough and tumble go and join Mumsnet." :-) Of course I traduced you a bit, but what of "do as you would be done by"? I bear you no malice, and wish you well. Happy travels to all in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-02-28 5:23 PM And I don't scorn large motorhomes either or small ones and I thought that you may have worked out that I was responding to very nasty post from erneboy whose view of people like you and me, who do use sites, is disgraceful. Have you read it? Mr D is Lobby Lud etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brian Kirby - 2014-02-28 5:35 PM Had Enough - 2014-02-28 5:23 PM..................I'm not perfect by a long way but much of this attack by you is unfair and unfounded........ Touché! :-) But how to respond? Apologise, or say "It's an Internet forum for God's sake and if you can't stand a bit of rough and tumble go and join Mumsnet." :-) Of course I traduced you a bit, but what of "do as you would be done by"? I bear you no malice, and wish you well. Happy travels to all in 2014. Thank you, you're a gentleman. Mumsnet's very good by the way and I've discovered that they can outdo us in rough and tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Good to meet you again then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:42 PM Good to meet you again then. Thank you, you too! Who's this Lobby Lud? Does he use sites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brian Kirby - 2014-02-28 5:35 PM Had Enough - 2014-02-28 5:23 PM..................I'm not perfect by a long way but much of this attack by you is unfair and unfounded........ Touché! :-) But how to respond? Apologise, or say "It's an Internet forum for God's sake and if you can't stand a bit of rough and tumble go and join Mumsnet." :-) Of course I traduced you a bit, but what of "do as you would be done by"? I bear you no malice, and wish you well. Happy travels to all in 2014. If only Frankie demonstrated as much gentlemanly behaviour as you do, Brian, his posts would not be so overbearingly didactic and filled with unwarranted invective. That's probably why I find your posts far more agreeable than his. Thank you. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Barryd is Lobby Lud. Google will be Barry's friend. Regards, The Vicar of Bray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-02-28 5:23 PM One more example is a regular here who has a very old motorhome. He constantly suggests that what he's doing is the right thing and that we're all silly for buying new or nearly new ones and our only reason is to impress the neighbours. It's dishonest and if he was left a lot of money tomorrow we all know what the first thing is that he'd buy! Ps I'm only 68! ;-) Forsooth 8-)..............the third person speak again :D....................BTW your wrong Frank ;-).........We already have a vehicle that does the job perfectly B-).......... Why would I want to buy something that'll lose more in value, than ours is worth as soon as I drive it out of the showroom? :-S 68? (lol) (lol) (lol).............retrograde progress eh? >:-).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:24 PM Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. Surely not THE Frank Wilkinson, the one who has been likened to Herbert Lom as Dreyfuss, Clouseau's boss, and not without some justification, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:07 PM erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:24 PM Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. Surely not THE Frank Wilkinson, the one who has been likened to Herbert Lom as Dreyfuss, Clouseau's boss, and not without some justification, apparently. Zut alors, I do 'ave zee feelings m'sieur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Your description of me of valuing people on how much they spend has no bearing in truth and I ask you to show me an example where I have ever said as such. One more example is a regular here who has a very old motorhome. He constantly suggests that what he's doing is the right thing and that we're all silly for buying new or nearly new ones and our only reason is to impress the neighbours. It's dishonest and if he was left a lot of money tomorrow we all know what the first thing is that he'd buy! If you didn't value people by what they spent, you wouldn't make such a spurious and unwarranted claim that another member was being dishonest just because he does not share your idiosyncratic views and chooses to maintain an older vehicle on the road. What an arrogant remark. Funny, how often arrogance and ignorance are conjoined twins. And I don't mind criticism of anything as long as it's fair, but do you consider that describing the typical CC warden as a detestable sergeant major is fair? Yes, if it's a genuinely held belief. And I don't scorn large motorhomes either or small ones and I thought that you may have worked out that I was responding to very nasty post from erneboy whose view of people like you and me, who do use sites, is disgraceful. Have you read it? Actually I though his post was rather amusing and obviously tongue in cheek. You, on the other hand, clearly have no sense of humour and specialise in 'nasty posts'. I'm not perfect by a long way but much of this attack by you is unfair and unfounded. Imperfect? You? Surely not! Ps I'm only 68! ;-) Is that meant to be your claim to fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-02-28 7:14 PM Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:07 PM erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:24 PM Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. Surely not THE Frank Wilkinson, the one who has been likened to Herbert Lom as Dreyfuss, Clouseau's boss, and not without some justification, apparently. Zut alors, I do 'ave zee feelings m'sieur. And are you the same HobbyFan (who was kicked off MH Facts) and subsequently kicked off Wildcamping for Motorhomes where you went by the name Northerner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Oh the irony HE.... On the other 'club' thread you've managed to side track that with pages of mirth and merriment - well actually a load of bo**ocks - attacking Lenny for his warden Gestapo jibe.....YET on here you have had the temerity to besmirch the good name of the early moderators for being Stalinists 8-) So as Harry Hill would say - who's best? Stalin or the Gastapo [or Hitler if you want to be pedantic]...there's only one way to find out.......... Now I've discovered your real name, I was wondering if your middle one was Ken and your Surname was Stein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:17 PM Is that meant to be your claim to fame? No, but there's one man on here who is very agist and constantly implies that because I'm a certain age I am somehow inferior to him. I don't think he realises he'll be 68 one day! This same person referred to me as a seventy-year-old so I thought I'd put him right! Brian picked up on it and added a year. Funnily enough the bloke in question (not Brian) is what I'd call old before his time! I'm 68, honestly, but only for a few weeks. (lol) And the thing is I can prove it! (lol) Apart from being housebound at present and suffering from cabin fever as I've a heavy cold and a chesty cough I've never had a serious day's illness in my life and am fit as a fiddle. I'm hoping to get at least 11 more years exploring Europe in my motorhome, unless of course I have a heart attack or get cancer next week! You never know! ;-) I'd be interested to know at what age people give up motorhoming as I'll be buying a new Hymer in a few months and hope to get a few years of it of it. I might start a thread entitled - 'When did you feel it was time to give up?' Joking apart I'd hate to be an old fart who's a danger to other road users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 globebuster - 2014-02-28 7:33 PM Oh the irony HE.... On the other 'club' thread you've managed to side track that with pages of mirth and merriment - well actually a load of bo**ocks - attacking Lenny for his warden Gestapo jibe.....YET on here you have had the temerity to besmirch the good name of the early moderators for being Stalinists 8-) So as Harry Hill would say - who's best? Stalin or the Gastapo [or Hitler if you want to be pedantic]...there's only one way to find out.......... Now I've discovered your real name, I was wondering if your middle one was Ken and your Surname was Stein? It's because they were. They would close a thread but refuse to give any explanation, which was against every tenet of natural justice and some seemed drunk on their own power. Why were they all sacked? It's because of complaints from people like me. But I've never heard of loads of CC wardens being sacked because of numerous complaints. Ken and Stein, I've never heard that one before. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Actually I think that you would find that mumsnet would chew up the lot of you and spit out the bones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-02-28 7:36 PM Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:17 PM Is that meant to be your claim to fame? No, but there's one man on here who is very agist and constantly implies that because I'm a certain age I am somehow inferior to him. I don't think he realises he'll be 68 one day! Only if he lives that long; it is not guaranteed! I'll be buying a new Hymer in a few months Now that sounds like a pathetic attempt to impress, but I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Poppy - 2014-02-28 7:41 PM Actually I think that you would find that mumsnet would chew up the lot of you and spit out the bones! Are you suggesting that they're a bunch of cannibals over there? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:24 PM Had Enough - 2014-02-28 7:14 PM Seannachie - 2014-02-28 7:07 PM erneboy - 2014-02-28 5:24 PM Couldn't possibly be Frank Wilkinson? Frank needs no lessons in employing invective, HE is mild by comparison. Though, last time I encountered Frank his username was abbreviated as HF, so who knows? Alan. Surely not THE Frank Wilkinson, the one who has been likened to Herbert Lom as Dreyfuss, Clouseau's boss, and not without some justification, apparently. Zut alors, I do 'ave zee feelings m'sieur. And are you the same HobbyFan (who was kicked off MH Facts) and subsequently kicked off Wildcamping for Motorhomes where you went by the name Northerner? I wasn't kicked off Facts, I'm sure you can go back and check. I've explained above that I quit very publicly from Motorhome Facts because of the power hungry moderators - shortly afterwards they sacked the lot of them because others like me complained. I never bothered going back but could do so any time. Yes, I was banned from Wildcamping because I had the temerity to constantly complain about criticism of those of us who use sites as well as wild camp. I would never return there, some of them are just extreme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Don't buy a big one HE. Think of all the Gin Palace gibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erneboy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Resigned and booted off in the same moment as I recall HE. Nearly took me with you too as I defended some of the things you said, which turned out to be, shall we say, less than accurate, Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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