kelly58 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Not exactly a motorhome matter , but has anyone any idea as to the legalities regarding driving licence renewal . My sister in laws licence expired on her 79th birthday , and is obviously up for renewal , but because of problems with her vision the DVLA have requested an eye test and field vision report from an independent Optician before they grant her a renewal . This has been done and sent to the DVLA and she is awaiting a reply , in the mean time she says she can still drive as her licence has not yet been revoked although it has expired. Personally I feel she is not legal to drive as she has not got a current licence in force at the moment pending the DVLA's decision , but she is adamant she still has a licence and refuses to get legal advice from our local Police in case they say she cannot drive until her new licence has been granted . Then of course there is the issue with the Insurance Co whereby surely No licence means No Insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninian Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Hi, I would say you are correct, she doesn't have a licence as its out of date and also that would definitely affect her insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muswell Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Try this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20968886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 .....read "Driving whilst the DVLA has your licence" in the following: https://www.gov.uk/renew-driving-licence-at-70 As far as insurance is concerned, I suspect the above would mean cover was retained, but historically many policies included wording of the form "holds, or has held, a valid driving licence and has not had it revoked". HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I cannot give you a definitive answer but I have to renew my class D licence ( bus driving ) annually with the associated medical forms. The DVLA send me a notice saying that I may continue to drive that class of vehicle while they faff about for three months ( I am paraphrasing..... ) as long as I am medically fit to do so. Having had the medical and no comment from the doctor to the negative; I can still drive on my 'expired' licence. If she has such a notice from the dvla and her tested sight meets with the licence requirements then she is 'probably' right. The optician should have told her if her eyesight did not meet the required standards. hth Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 On renewing my licence last time. There was a delay in the issue of my new licence. I was told that I COULD drive untill the decision was made. It was renewed and the date was actualy 3 days after my birthday, so I now have extra time on my licence, before the next renewal. Untill you are told you Cannot drive, then you are can, so yes your sister can still drive, though if she has eye problems , she should decide herself if she is safe to drive. PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve101 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Another slight take on it. Look on the back of the licence at the dates. If the Cat B date of expiry has passed I would suggest that she would be on a sticky wicket should she be stopped by the law enforcement, I have had experience of this, the persons car was towed and consideration was given to forming a prosecution for driving without a driving licence. If however.... The date for the Cat B on the rear has not expired I would say she would be able to drive until notified otherwise by the DVLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Seems black & white to me, her license has expired, she has not received a new one, unless she has it in writing from DVLA stating she can continue to drive until a new license has been issued she should not drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Thanks for all the feedback , but as she is of the generation " I know best " then on her head be it , the ANPR camera's will be out in force now there's a change in the no RFL display in windscreens , so she may get pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You say her licence has expired, then she is driving illegally. If she continues this idiotic practice she want reporting to the authorities immediately. If i knew her name and address i would do it without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 From what's been posted I don't think she has lost her licence yet, although clealry she might do so. The ball is in DVLA's court and they haven't revoked her licence (and presumably the optician didn't advise her not to drive in the meantime) so she can continue until either of those things happens. If you have applied for licence renewal or responded to a request from DVLA for a medical/opticians report and complied, you are allowed to carry on driving unless and until a revocation is made. Only if a doctor or optician advises you to stop driving straight away does a problem arise. You would then be regarded as blameworthy of you carried on and something happened. Hopefully she won't kill anyone before DVLA make their decision. Most people who have failing faculties compensate by self-restricting their driving, so the risk to others isn't as big as you might think so climbing on your high horse with an urge to report her might not be justified. She would presumably feel bad about it afterwards if she did kill someone of course but wouldn't we all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Southender - 2014-10-06 2:01 PM You say her licence has expired, then she is driving illegally. If she continues this idiotic practice she want reporting to the authorities immediately. If i knew her name and address i would do it without hesitation. What a lovely neighbourly chap you are, Glad the decision is not left to you, no doubt you are in favour of the introduction of Sharia law also ? This lady didn't suddenly become a 'Bad Driver' the day after her license expired, it is a technicality, luckily the authorities allow for this. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I t took 6 months for me to get my new licence from DVLA at 73, but they sent me a letter saying I could drive for up to a year as long as I was not banned or had health problems effecting my driving. Luckily I now have a licence for another 3 years, but I think it may be my last, This was for my 4ton. Motorhome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Rayjsj - 2014-10-06 2:47 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 2:01 PM You say her licence has expired, then she is driving illegally. If she continues this idiotic practice she want reporting to the authorities immediately. If i knew her name and address i would do it without hesitation. What a lovely neighbourly chap you are, Glad the decision is not left to you, no doubt you are in favour of the introduction of Sharia law also ? This lady didn't suddenly become a 'Bad Driver' the day after her license expired, it is a technicality, luckily the authorities allow for this. Ray So you condone illegal drivers ? Would it be a " technicality " if she caused an accident and killed someone and then found out she wasn`t insured and her driving licence had expired ? What the hell has religion got to do with this you moron ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 My licence comes up for renewal next year (at age 70) so I face a medical examination in order to keep driving our current MH, so I started taking an interest in this subject a while ago. I had done advanced motorcycling training about 10 years ago and the value of that opened my eyes to taking an active, interested approach to driving. So when I learned that our County Council offer older drivers free assesments/advice, with the aim of keeping them safe to drive for longer, I took up the offer, using our MH as the vehicle I drove. It was a very useful experience and I would recommend it to eveyone approaching my age. The assessor (a qualified driving instructor) was very tactful as well as knowledgable and observant, and she gave me lots of useful tips. I was a bit nervous to start with (as you are for any sort of assessment, however innocently it's presented) but I soon relaxed and enjoyed the experience of driving under expert observation. It wasn't a pass/fail test of course, just an opportunity to inform and refresh. There was a classroom session too, when you got to meet other who were doing the training - mostly older folk, many of whom seem to have been encouraged to do it for some reason or another, although a few were unsolicited volunteers, like me. Tea, biscuits and a tactfully delivered sermon, but worthwhile nonetheless - especially for the opportunity to meet the other drivers and listen to their questions. Mostly sensible people, there to learn and only one ego display that I recall, a relatively young er chap who made himself look a bit silly in my eyes, maybe those of others. Wanted to strut his stuff and insist he was right, instead of listenning properly and trying to understand what was being said. A bit like Southender in the previous post. Regardless of your medical status, as you approach 70 there are bound to be weaknesses in your driving which are developing, so a bit of expert help to spot them and apply corrective action before you come to harm was valuable. Your County Council might be running a similar scheme, why not give them a ring to find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Rayjsj - 2014-10-06 2:47 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 2:01 PM This lady didn't suddenly become a 'Bad Driver' the day after her license expired, it is a technicality, luckily the authorities allow for this. Ray I suspect that the concern is that she might have a visual field defect, i.e. a blank area or areas of peripheral vision, and so potentially a markedly increased risk of missing what's going on around her. This would be considered an important problem and might well cause her loss of her licence. But there is a way of getting that tested and that's happening, so no need to lock her up as a criminal just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Southender - 2014-10-06 3:40 PM Rayjsj - 2014-10-06 2:47 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 2:01 PM You say her licence has expired, then she is driving illegally. If she continues this idiotic practice she want reporting to the authorities immediately. If i knew her name and address i would do it without hesitation. What a lovely neighbourly chap you are, Glad the decision is not left to you, no doubt you are in favour of the introduction of Sharia law also ? This lady didn't suddenly become a 'Bad Driver' the day after her license expired, it is a technicality, luckily the authorities allow for this. Ray So you condone illegal drivers ? Would it be a " technicality " if she caused an accident and killed someone and then found out she wasn`t insured and her driving licence had expired ? What the hell has religion got to do with this you moron ? I don't think you have read all the post's corrrectly. She is entitled to drive until such time as the DVLA advise that she can not. Just because the license has not been sent to her, as long as they or a doctor have NOT said she cannot drive , then she can. Read post correctly from people who have had the experience! I HAVE PJay PS Get off your high horse. You may be in the same situation one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Be very careful with this Southender bloke. There's a good chance he's a troll from you know where. *-) Just do a search on some of his previous contributions, most of which are very troll-like and designed to stir things up. :-( Just like the one in this thread. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 PJay - 2014-10-06 5:45 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 3:40 PM Rayjsj - 2014-10-06 2:47 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 2:01 PM You say her licence has expired, then she is driving illegally. If she continues this idiotic practice she want reporting to the authorities immediately. If i knew her name and address i would do it without hesitation. What a lovely neighbourly chap you are, Glad the decision is not left to you, no doubt you are in favour of the introduction of Sharia law also ? This lady didn't suddenly become a 'Bad Driver' the day after her license expired, it is a technicality, luckily the authorities allow for this. Ray So you condone illegal drivers ? Would it be a " technicality " if she caused an accident and killed someone and then found out she wasn`t insured and her driving licence had expired ? What the hell has religion got to do with this you moron ? I don't think you have read all the post's corrrectly. She is entitled to drive until such time as the DVLA advise that she can not. Just because the license has not been sent to her, as long as they or a doctor have NOT said she cannot drive , then she can. Read post correctly from people who have had the experience! I HAVE PJay PS Get off your high horse. You may be in the same situation one day Before you start flinging accusations go back and look at the original post. Her licence has EXPIRED the DVLA have NOT granted a renewal yet. No licence means no driving or is it different on your planet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-10-06 6:07 PM Be very careful with this Southender bloke. There's a good chance he's a troll from you know where. *-) Just do a search on some of his previous contributions, most of which are very troll-like and designed to stir things up. :-( Just like the one in this thread. :-S I would have expected better from you. All the shyte that this lot give you just for having an opinion. BTW where is " from you know where " ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Southender - 2014-10-06 6:16 PM Before you start flinging accusations go back and look at the original post. Her licence has EXPIRED the DVLA have NOT granted a renewal yet. No licence means no driving or is it different on your planet ? I'd suggest you take a bit of your own advice ;-) I note that the Gov.UK link that I've posted above may not open at the appropriate place, but, under "Before You Start", there is the following wording: Driving while DVLA has your licence You can drive while your licence is being renewed if you meet all the following conditions: - DVLA has your valid application which is less than 1 year old - you’ve held a licence from Great Britain, the European Union or a country where you can change a non-British driving licence for a British licence - your doctor or consultant says you can keep driving - you’re not disqualified from driving - you follow any specific conditions attached to your licence - your licence hasn’t been taken away for a medical reason (or because you broke the medical conditions of your licence) Given the OP, it seems quite possible (I would say probable) that all the above conditions have been met, in which case the S-I-L's stance would be entirely justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Robinhood - 2014-10-06 6:35 PM Southender - 2014-10-06 6:16 PM Before you start flinging accusations go back and look at the original post. Her licence has EXPIRED the DVLA have NOT granted a renewal yet. No licence means no driving or is it different on your planet ? I'd suggest you take a bit of your own advice ;-) I note that the Gov.UK link that I've posted above may not open at the appropriate place, but, under "Before You Start", there is the following wording: Driving while DVLA has your licence You can drive while your licence is being renewed if you meet all the following conditions: - DVLA has your valid application which is less than 1 year old - you’ve held a licence from Great Britain, the European Union or a country where you can change a non-British driving licence for a British licence - your doctor or consultant says you can keep driving - you’re not disqualified from driving - you follow any specific conditions attached to your licence - your licence hasn’t been taken away for a medical reason (or because you broke the medical conditions of your licence) Given the OP, it seems quite possible (I would say probable) that all the above conditions have been met, in which case the S-I-L's stance would be entirely justified. So, once your licence has expired it OK to continue driving ? I think NOT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 This Thread has unfortunately proved NOT to be Troll Free (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Southender - 2014-10-06 7:24 PM So, once your licence has expired it OK to continue driving ? I think NOT ! ...you may think what you want - I prefer to follow the official advice. Driving after your license has been revoked would be another matter, but (as is obvious from the wording above), if you have applied for renewal, and meet the conditions set out, then if your previous licence has expired, you may still drive whilst you await the issue of the renewed one.. (BTW, I'm considering claiming under your guarantee ;-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Rayjsj - 2014-10-06 7:34 PM the Guarantee below has proved to be invalid. Took me a minute to work that one out, but you seem to be right :D Yes you can drive for up to a year with out a licence if it's DVLA holding things up, over the last few years a similar 'rule' has applied to FAC holders where the Police have held up renewals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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