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It's the politics of the madhouse. The no voters are like lemmings jumping off a cliff. The only positive thing is that the rest of the EU won't be piling good money after bad.
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frankie640 - 2015-07-05 9:10 PM

 

It's the politics of the madhouse. The no voters are like lemmings jumping off a cliff. The only positive thing is that the rest of the EU won't be piling good money after bad.

 

Absolutely Frank....ie. The vote is heading for a big no.

 

Martyn

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frankie640 - 2015-07-05 9:10 PM

 

It's the politics of the madhouse. The no voters are like lemmings jumping off a cliff. The only positive thing is that the rest of the EU won't be piling good money after bad.

 

You think not? ;-) ............The EU will do anything to save their empire *-) ............

 

This I suspect is not the end game :-| ..........

 

 

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LordThornber - 2015-07-06 8:00 AM

 

Huge significance in the resignation of the Greek Finance Minister methinks. Wheels may turn a whole lot easier, we'll see.

 

Definitely not a day for the weak of stomach on the markets though, gulp :D

 

Martyn

 

 

So far they have taken it remarkably calmly, however it is early days

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It's either a very clever bluff or the longest suicide in history ... Tomorrow hopefully will make it all clearer

Either way it's guna probably cost team GB even though we ain't in the Euro

How very sad that a country with the history of Greece and all it gave the world ends up a laughing stock. ...

I remember asking Spiros , the fella we used to rent a place off in Corfu how the tax system worked in Greece ..... ' You pay what you wanna pay ' he said ' nobody really pays income tax ' Bingo !

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antony1969 - 2015-07-06 5:54 PM

 

It's either a very clever bluff or the longest suicide in history ...

 

 

Looks like our William agrees with you ;-) ...........

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3151947/This-BEGINNING-Euro-crisis-William-Hague-warns-Greece-debacle-minor-rehearsal-coming-crash.html

 

Except he's talking about the whole of the eurozone :D .......

 

 

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I think he is talking sense. There was intense debate at the time the Euro was formed over whether Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal should join. We'd decided not to, which disappointed me at the time. But now, seeing a bit more of how it has been operated, I agree that was by far the best option.

 

I can't see any problem with the idea of a common currency, though, if that was what was wanted, it should never have been enmeshed with the EEC (as it then was) - because it is not a necessary prerequisite for free trade and because that has confused its role. It was also ridiculous to bind all new entrants to the EU to adopt the Euro.

 

All the members of the Eurozone seem, at times when it has suited them, to have played fast and loose with the generally sensible rules they agreed for its formation, and to have turned "Nelson's eye" to others doing so. The problem still lies with those countries who had to "fudge" their figures to get under the barrier, Greece (aided by Goldman Sachs) being by far the worst offender.

 

The Euro should have been set up as a separate project, with a truly independent ECB to control all aspects of the currency, including the production of Euro notes and coins. Had membership been limited to those countries whose economies broadly converged at the time, the Euro would today have a far higher international value, which in itself would have put the brakes on Germany's excessive economic dominance. I suspect the latter point was not lost on the German government of the day!

 

So, the Euro needs reform, not least to allow struggling members to withdraw from membership, but also to separate it completely from the EU. The political loss of face for those who championed it is far too great for them to admit their failures, so it will continue to be fudged and nudged along until it arrives where it should have started. Future generations of politicians will be sufficiently removed from those who implemented it, so will not feel the same obligation to defend the status quo, and will no doubt change its remit so that the politically inspired fudging is eliminated.

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Brian Kirby - 2015-07-07 12:51 PM

 

Future generations of politicians will be sufficiently removed from those who implemented it, so will not feel the same obligation to defend the status quo, and will no doubt change its remit so that the politically inspired fudging is eliminated.

 

Just as us folk who were too young to vote to join the common market will now get the vote to leave B-) ...........

 

 

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LordThornber - 2015-07-07 7:10 PM

 

pelmetman - 2015-07-07 6:51 PM

 

Just as us folk who were too young to vote to join the common market will now get the vote to leave B-) ...........

 

 

Absolutely Dave, and of course the vote to stay too 8-)

 

Martyn

 

Agreed ;-) ..............Although those queuing at Calais will see how important border control is 8-) .............

 

Not forgetting the ever present Greek tragedy..... which I suspect will still be running when we get to vote *-) ...........

 

Indeed, if the "Mousetrap" was a farce then the EU has every chance of usurping its record >:-) ......

 

 

 

 

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Kosta, a middle-aged Greek tourist on his first visit to Orlando, Florida, finds the red light district and enters a large brothel. The madam asks him to be seated and sends over a young lady to entertain him.

 

They sit and talk, frolic a little, giggle a bit, drink a bit, and she sits on his lap. He whispers in her ear and she gasps and runs away! Seeing this, the madam sends over a more experienced lady to entertain the gentleman.

 

They sit and talk, frolic a little, giggle a bit, drink a bit, and she sits on his lap. He whispers in her ear, and she too screams, "No!" and walks quickly away.

 

The madam is surprised that this ordinary looking man has asked for something so outrageous that her two girls will have nothing to do with him. She decides that only her most experienced lady, Lola, will do. Lola has never said no, and it's not likely anything would surprise her. So the madam sends her over to Hans. They sit and talk, frolic a little, giggle a bit, drink a bit, and she sits on his lap. He whispers in her ear and she screams, "NO WAY, BUDDY!" and smacks him as hard as she can and leaves.

 

Madam is by now absolutely intrigued, having seen nothing like this in all her years of operating a brothel. She hasn't done the bedroom work herself for a long time, but she's sure she has said yes to everything a man could possibly ask for. She just has to find out what this man wants that has made her girls so angry. Besides she sees a chance to teach her employees a lesson.

 

So she goes over to Kostas and says that she's the best in the house and is available. She sits and talks with him. They frolic, giggle, drink and then she sits in his lap.

 

Kostas leans forwards and whispers in her ear, "Can I pay in Euros?"

 

Now she understands.

 

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