monique.hubrechtsgm Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 RV vehicles include caravans, Vans, motorhomes and every thing you can imagine. Be aware that burstner is also a large caravan maker. Like many other brands making motorhomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agaric Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 4:19 PM About 20 000 financial- banking jobs have been left already from london and relocated in europe. This is wishful thinking on someones part, about 9,000 jobs over a 2 year period are expected to go. At the same time jobs are still expected to increase over the next 2 years and London overall is expected to increase its total workforce by 100,000 over the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroserv Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I spent many years providing services to the food industry and watched as large food processors were forced to comply with a series of regulations that changed every year until the firms concerned just gave up due to the huge cost of compliance. These firms set up shop or consolidated their operations inside Europe and strangely enough found that the enforcement of the regulations was much more relaxed; if at all. I watched as our food industry was destroyed. I also believe that low paid, manual jobs should be done by young British people. This is how the less academic among the population got started in the past and should do now. If migrant workers can afford to live here on those wages, why can't we? It bothers me that teenagers are going to be leaving school either with an A level or two or a degree in nothing much and be expecting a well paid job because of their 'education' and being disappointed. These are my reasons for voting leave and i hope that in time we will recover. That we will grow our own food. That we will want to buy British goods and stimulate demand for 'British'. I hope that the socialist do-gooders will realise that you can't have a nation of middle class homeowners because someone still has to empty the bins, clean hotel rooms and pick strawberries and that these jobs will never pay particularly well. These jobs serve the needs of the workers too. Whether it be temporary work that they need or something to get them started on the ladder; it has always been thus, it's only the language such workers speak that has changed. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 keninpalamos - 2017-06-27 2:59 PM Barryd999 - 2017-06-26 5:46 PM How can the price of foreign vehicles not go up considerably when you look at the exchange rate since Brexit? Add into that the possible introduction of Tariffs and other Brexit complications of course they will be more expensive. Im just about to go on a four month trip into Europe. Last time I went in 2015 we were getting €1.4+ to the £1, now its close to €1.1. I worked out that roughly over four months its going to cost me an extra £1000. Thats what happens when we do stupid things based on a very marginal poll. The country voted for Brexit, those in opposition said it would be very costly. Simple as that.. There will always be two sides to this.... I'd say three.......Remain, Brexiters and BREGRETers! In out in out fuddled up BoJo is a class example after reading his unpublished pro-Remain article! Now i see Hammond has had a pop at him over claiming UK could “have our cake and eat it” by leaving the EU. Hilarious.........if it wasn't so sad. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-philip-hammond-brexit-have-our-cake-and-eat-it-joke-mock-german-cdu-economic-council-a7810571.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Agaric - 2017-06-27 4:31 PM monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 4:19 PM About 20 000 financial- banking jobs have been left already from london and relocated in europe. This is wishful thinking on someones part, about 9,000 jobs over a 2 year period are expected to go. At the same time jobs are still expected to increase over the next 2 years and London overall is expected to increase its total workforce by 100,000 over the next 2 years. There are around 9,000 jobs moving to Germany or France......of that there is no doubt as it's well covered on mainstream media. However i can find no indication that London is "expected to increase its total workforce by 100,000 over the next 2 years." We can't get our own folk to give up their dole lifestyle so where is this" 100,000" going to come from? EU countries? Oh..........wait a minute! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian81 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Perhaps with all these numbers one may propose renaming this thread in honour of Diane Abbot..... or maybe Monique is an undercover researcher for Diane. In all the 'Brexit' debate I often wonder if their will be an EU to exit in 2 years? Look at the Greek and Italian problems. In our travels in these countries and others in the east, as well as France there is little love for the EU on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agaric Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-06-27 5:46 PM Agaric - 2017-06-27 4:31 PM monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 4:19 PM About 20 000 financial- banking jobs have been left already from london and relocated in europe. This is wishful thinking on someones part, about 9,000 jobs over a 2 year period are expected to go. At the same time jobs are still expected to increase over the next 2 years and London overall is expected to increase its total workforce by 100,000 over the next 2 years. There are around 9,000 jobs moving to Germany or France......of that there is no doubt as it's well covered on mainstream media. However i can find no indication that London is "expected to increase its total workforce by 100,000 over the next 2 years." We can't get our own folk to give up their dole lifestyle so where is this" 100,000" going to come from? EU countries? Oh..........wait a minute! (lol) The overall workforce in London increased by 64,000 in 2016, that's quite normal, the 100,000 is in the London Mayors forward stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 I am really impressed sofar about my topic about your comments. Very impressive to read your views.Hopefully we will not return to the old days of the so called black custom brigade who checked every piece of moblile by land ,sea or air, including your under wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Don't know where Burstner get their figures from, but they are extremely optimistic (to 2014) but UK volumes have improved since & I recall UK manufacturers were expecting increase POSSIBLY up to 2007 level, resulting from the changes to the Pension Drawdown changes http://thencc.org.uk/Our_Industry/statistics.aspx (Need to enlarge to view the European figures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 3:13 PM Are you facing huge price increases on imports? Nope :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Crickey, the remainers do have a habit of banging-on about the gloom and negativity of a pending Brexit scenario and it gets a bit boring after a while. The UK is one of the three primary economic pillars of the EU so once we leave in 2019 then I reckon we'll see a massive downturn in EU cohesion, both from a political and financial standpoint. If my assumption is correct then the onset of a much weaker Europe will help our exchange rates and therefore keep van prices at a similar level to what they are today. Those with money will always spend it and it seems that motorhomers are quite well-to-do folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 If you're right. But you'll only be right if the international markets generally value the £ in the same way you do i.e. against the political stability of the EU. That seems to me highly questionable. But, if you're right, the £ will appreciate against the Euro, though not necessarily against other world currencies. So, the price of our exports to the Eurozone will rise, with a consequent reduction in volume, and so employment for those making them. If, at the same time, imports from the EU are subject to tariffs, their asking prices may not fall by much, or may rise. The question that then arises is can we sell what the EU doesn't take as profitably elsewhere in the world? Bearing in mind the additional transport and administration costs, I doubt it. I see that as realism, not gloom and negativity. I therefore see the belief that all will necessarily be OK post Brexit as unfounded optimism. In my view you are more likely to be wrong than right. So what if I'm right? I would have thought that the past two years has provided ample evidence, for those who hadn't previously noticed, that planning for the future on the basis of a single expected outcome is a fool's errand. Any of the foreseeably possible outcomes may prove the case. One should not disregard alternative outcomes merely because they are not what one wishes for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-06-28 8:12 PM monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 3:13 PM Are you facing huge price increases on imports? Nope :D ........ definitely not. Even fuel has gone down in price!1 I have friends who live in France, and have just been over to Uk, and have filled up with food , as it is so much more expensive to live in FRance!! Plenty of non european companies have started to invest in UK, ready for the exit. PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvekay Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 What is the price of freedom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 stvekay - 2017-07-01 8:34 PM What is the price of freedom? Several choices here http://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/price-of-freedom.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 stvekay - 2017-07-01 8:34 PM What is the price of freedom? Historically, it has always been high when fighting oppression. However, if not actually oppressed, we are presumably "free"? For some, what I see as democratically imposed social norms and laws constitute oppression. But then, democracy does not equate to freedom, it merely imposes on an entire population rules and laws chosen by a majority of that population. For some, that becomes oppression of minorities. So, who is truly "free"? Is it only the members of the majority, who chose with the rules and laws they impose? In our democracy, are we actually oppressed to the point at which we truly lack freedom. What is it that you can't do, that you want to do, that makes you feel your freedom is restricted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-07-01 8:52 PMstvekay - 2017-07-01 8:34 PMWhat is the price of freedom?Several choices herehttp://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/price-of-freedom.html This one is interesting, especially the bit about "on certain occassions": The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. Thomas Jefferson Chatting to American friends about the right to bear arms, it is the right to be prepared to resist unjust government which is an important part of the need they feel to have their own weapons. They seem to envisage a scenario in which, as an individual, you might well need to defend your self and your family using lethal force. I find this very difficult to accept as reasonable in terms of risk/benefit of everyone having the right to bear arms - but then we live in a country which has had restrictive gun laws for several generations and has come to accept them and to rely on the Government to defend us when necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 PJay - 2017-07-01 4:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-06-28 8:12 PM monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-06-26 3:13 PM Are you facing huge price increases on imports? Nope :D ........ definitely not. Even fuel has gone down in price!1 I have friends who live in France, and have just been over to Uk, and have filled up with food , as it is so much more expensive to live in FRance!! Plenty of non european companies have started to invest in UK, ready for the exit. PJay They must also have told you their taxes and property prices are lower than UK. Why else have so many Brits made their home in France? And as for food, their cuts of fresh meat are a much better quality than ours so i'd be very surprised if your friends took any meat back!! Fuel prices have a direct impact on all goods costs as everything is transported by road in UK so when fuel increases, so does the cost at the shop counter. I'm currently paying 4.05 - 4.15 zloty for a litre of diesel in Poland. That's 84 - 86 pence. The same price as i was paying four years ago here when UK pump prices were £1.35 - 1.38 a litre. When was the last time you tanked up in UK at 84p a litre? The closest was ten years ago in January 2007 at 87.4p. The UK motorist get's hit with a double whammy tax on every litre.....fuel duty and VAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keninpalamos Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 ian81 - 2017-06-28 10:04 AM Perhaps with all these numbers one may propose renaming this thread in honour of Diane Abbot..... or maybe Monique is an undercover researcher for Diane. {Quote} excuse my mirth :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-07-02 2:50 PM..................................They must also have told you their taxes and property prices are lower than UK. Why else have so many Brits made their home in France? And as for food, their cuts of fresh meat are a much better quality than ours so i'd be very surprised if your friends took any meat back!!.......................... The quality of meat depends on where you buy it. I'd say supermarket meat is about evens, and some French bandsaw butchery is crude to say the least. Between "proper" butchers, I'd say the French cuts are bit more refined, but the quality depends on the source. Maybe you should change your butcher! :-D Meat is, however, generally more expensive in France but then, some of the patissier's and chocolatier's prices really make my eyes water! Whether France is more expensive than UK overall, is a bit of a moot point. Property prices vary around both countries, but UK is generally noticeably more expensive. Petrol and diesel are cheaper in France, and cheapest at supermarkets. Eating out is generally cheaper (and better) in France - though you can pay astronomical amounts in Michelin starred restaurants! Shoes and clothing are generally more expensive in France. Cars (and I assume motorhomes) pay no road tax. Motorhomes are cheaper in France. Roads are generally better in France, but you pay to use most motorways. Roundabouts are usually entertainingly landscaped rather than a patch of weeds. Most towns and villages have attractive planting along their approaches, and often through their centres. Roadside verges are properly cut back - rather than intruding into the carriageways as in UK! Healthcare is excellent, though in part private insurance funded. Overall, I reckon if average living costs and average earnings are taken into account, although the cost of living is spread differently, it is about the same for an average family. But, its great advantage as a country is its favourable climate and the variety of its landscapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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