starvin marvin Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This Independence stuff is catching :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Interesting development. Now let's see how the Spanish government reacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvin marvin Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Good opportunity to get a cheap flight to Barcelona/Girona and join in a decent demo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 We haven't heard much yet from the other half of Catalonia that live in what is currently France, and then, of course, the Basques are presumably watching how things turn out . It does make you wonder about some of the many other people throughout the EU who will watching and awaiting the outcome, and perhaps wondering how it might influence them. AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 starvin marvin - 2017-10-27 5:26 PM Good opportunity to get a cheap flight to Barcelona/Girona and join in a decent demo! Ye go on Tony ... I can hear ya screaming now ... No More Trump , No More Trump ... Sorry that's wrong cause isn't it ... I don't know what else you wets scream maybe ... We Want Refugees , We Want Refugees ... You'll find sumat to scream at ... Poll Tax maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Its doing wonders for the pound euro to :D ........ Looks like next week maybe the time to buy some euros B-) ....... Providing the BoE comes up with the goods :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Anyone going to Spain for the winter might be wise to go down the Western side instead of the Eastern side. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 An illegal 'referendum' and unconstitutional so this is not going to end well for Catalans at all. A number of top officials including the Catalan government have been summarily dismissed. UK government have said they will not recognise it though Wales will......perhaps they are looking for a trading partner! Catalan banking began shifting their business out earlier this month once it became politically unstable.The partying will be shortlived once they realise they voted to jump off a cliff without a parachute. Hhmm......that sounds familiar. https://www.ft.com/content/daada4cc-a9b4-11e7-93c5-648314d2c72c?mhq5j=e5 http://www.cityam.com/274703/investors-dump-catalonian-bank-shares-separatists-prepare https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/banks-leaving-catalonia-no-surprise-says-spains-ruling-party-on-independence.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/06/catalonia-business-independence-spanish-government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvin marvin Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-10-27 6:58 PM starvin marvin - 2017-10-27 5:26 PM Good opportunity to get a cheap flight to Barcelona/Girona and join in a decent demo! Ye go on Tony ... I can hear ya screaming now ... No More Trump , No More Trump ... Sorry that's wrong cause isn't it ... I don't know what else you wets scream maybe ... We Want Refugees , We Want Refugees ... You'll find sumat to scream at ... Poll Tax maybe How strange, how weird you are. What has any of your ranting got to do with supporting the Catalans against their oppressor?? You do need serious couselling, but probably you're too far gone, it would be kinder to refer you to Switzerland for permanent help . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 starvin marvin - 2017-10-27 11:39 PM antony1969 - 2017-10-27 6:58 PM starvin marvin - 2017-10-27 5:26 PM Good opportunity to get a cheap flight to Barcelona/Girona and join in a decent demo! Ye go on Tony ... I can hear ya screaming now ... No More Trump , No More Trump ... Sorry that's wrong cause isn't it ... I don't know what else you wets scream maybe ... We Want Refugees , We Want Refugees ... You'll find sumat to scream at ... Poll Tax maybe How strange, how weird you are. What has any of your ranting got to do with supporting the Catalans against their oppressor?? You do need serious couselling, but probably you're too far gone, it would be kinder to refer you to Switzerland for permanent help . From the man who posts about getting a cheap flight to go to a 'decent' demo and a bloke who started a previous thread by attempting to make a joke about the California fires while folk were dying ... Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I don't think the Spanish Government have played this well and relying on a Constitution which says Spain is indivisible (for ever) is clearly fanciful because history tells us that there is nothing absolute or permanent about sovereignty and it can change as circumstances change. The heavy handed suppression of the Catalan Government's attempt to hold a referendum seems to me likely to prove to be a mistake. However just because a bunch of people in a region feel they would be better off doing their own thing and they succeed in a populist move to capture the moment of a low turnout referendum and force their agenda doesn't amount to the assertion of anything like fundamental democratic rights. Maybe it's just a bunch of people grabbing the chance to take more power and keep back some taxes. It will be interesting to see how this develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 StuartO - 2017-10-28 9:42 AMI don't think the Spanish Government have played this well and relying on a Constitution which says Spain is indivisible (for ever) is clearly fanciful because history tells us that there is nothing absolute or permanent about sovereignty and it can change as circumstances change. The heavy handed suppression of the Catalan Government's attempt to hold a referendum seems to me likely to prove to be a mistake. However just because a bunch of people in a region feel they would be better off doing their own thing and they succeed in a populist move to capture the moment of a low turnout referendum and force their agenda doesn't amount to the assertion of anything like fundamental democratic rights. Maybe it's just a bunch of people grabbing the chance to take more power and keep back some taxes. It will be interesting to see how this develops.The low turn out was due to the heavy handed intervention of the Spanish police preventing people from voting :-| ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-10-28 9:53 AM........................The low turn out was due to the heavy handed intervention of the Spanish police preventing people from voting :-| ........ Plus many would not vote, because they recognised that the referendum was illegal, so participating broke Spanish law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Brian Kirby - 2017-10-28 12:35 PM pelmetman - 2017-10-28 9:53 AM........................The low turn out was due to the heavy handed intervention of the Spanish police preventing people from voting :-| ........ Plus many would not vote, because they recognised that the referendum was illegal, so participating broke Spanish law. Making the referendum illegal has hardly solved the issue has it >:-) .......... Its funny how some folk are against the hoi polloi having a vote *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-10-28 1:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2017-10-28 12:35 PM pelmetman - 2017-10-28 9:53 AM........................The low turn out was due to the heavy handed intervention of the Spanish police preventing people from voting :-| ........ Plus many would not vote, because they recognised that the referendum was illegal, so participating broke Spanish law. Making the referendum illegal has hardly solved the issue has it >:-) .......... Its funny how some folk are against the hoi polloi having a vote *-) ....... But, they didn't make the referendum illegal, it was illegal under their constitution. It has nothing to with people being entitled to vote, just with upholding a constitution that even more people had already voted to adopt in 1978, through a referendum, with 91.8% in favour overall (95.15% in Catalonia). But you're right that neither forcing the referendum, nor the reaction to it by the Spanish government, has done anything to solve the problem. Unthinking hotheads on both sides have inflamed the situation through foolish misjudgements. So, now they have a made mess, but just may have learned a lesson. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Brian Kirby - 2017-10-28 3:24 PM pelmetman - 2017-10-28 1:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2017-10-28 12:35 PM pelmetman - 2017-10-28 9:53 AM........................The low turn out was due to the heavy handed intervention of the Spanish police preventing people from voting :-| ........ Plus many would not vote, because they recognised that the referendum was illegal, so participating broke Spanish law. Making the referendum illegal has hardly solved the issue has it >:-) .......... Its funny how some folk are against the hoi polloi having a vote *-) ....... But, they didn't make the referendum illegal, it was illegal under their constitution. It has nothing to with people being entitled to vote, just with upholding a constitution that even more people had already voted to adopt in 1978, through a referendum, with 91.8% in favour overall (95.15% in Catalonia). But you're right that neither forcing the referendum, nor the reaction to it by the Spanish government, has done anything to solve the problem. Unthinking hotheads on both sides have inflamed the situation through foolish misjudgements. So, now they have a made mess, but just may have learned a lesson. Time will tell. Oh yeah that constitution that stitched the Catalans up like a kipper *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-10-28 3:42 PM..............................................Oh yeah that constitution that stitched the Catalans up like a kipper *-) .......... Dave, they voted for it in 1978 by 95.15%, on a high turnout. I'll accept that was 40 years ago, but it wasn't imposed on them, they welcomed it with open arms. But, that's referendums for you! See now why I argue that if policy is to be set by referendums, you have to have further referendums in case folk change their minds? Times change, and with them people's opinions. Nothing is forever, and some things have shorter shelf-lives than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Puigdemont seems to believe "his" country will be a successful EU member state.It's obviously escaped him the EU cannot recognise an illegal state. Catalans don't want to be part of Spain but want EU membership which they could only apply for if Spain agreed to re-write their constitution allowing them a legal vote. Only then could they apply for EU membership Puigdemont and his ministers will be locked up for sedition at this rate.They haven't thought this through very well at all. Hilarious seeing Brexiteers having wet dreams over an illegal ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-10-28 5:54 PM Puigdemont seems to believe "his" country will be a successful EU member state.It's obviously escaped him the EU cannot recognise an illegal state. Catalans don't want to be part of Spain but want EU membership which they could only apply for if Spain agreed to re-write their constitution allowing them a legal vote. Only then could they apply for EU membership Puigdemont and his ministers will be locked up for sedition at this rate.They haven't thought this through very well at all. Hilarious seeing Brexiteers having wet dreams over an illegal ballot. I remember you saying a certain Presidents impeachment was impending ages ago but yet nothing so maybe your sedition forecast might be a bit Disney too ... Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muswell Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The National Day of Catalonia is Sept 11 and it commemorates the day in 1714 when they were defeated, and became part of Spain. That says it all about the victim mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Muswell - 2017-10-28 7:03 PM The National Day of Catalonia is Sept 11 and it commemorates the day in 1714 when they were defeated, and became part of Spain. That says it all about the victim mentality. They are entitled to change their minds ... After all our own Brian says it's OK for us to change ours every other year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-10-28 5:54 PM Puigdemont seems to believe "his" country will be a successful EU member state.It's obviously escaped him the EU cannot recognise an illegal state. Catalans don't want to be part of Spain but want EU membership which they could only apply for if Spain agreed to re-write their constitution allowing them a legal vote. Only then could they apply for EU membership Puigdemont and his ministers will be locked up for sedition at this rate.They haven't thought this through very well at all. Hilarious seeing Brexiteers having wet dreams over an illegal ballot. Sounds like the SNP :D ....... Oh my mistake that was legal just like the referendum although you wouldn't think it after listening to the Remoaners balderdash (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It’s only taking back control when we do it, Britain tells Catalonia Theresa May not recognising Catalan independence Some hours after the Catalan regional parliament declared independence, Britain has reminded the region that it’s only taking back control when we do it. “Look, it’s all very well to take back control against a distant and unpopular government if you’re British,” said a Downing Street spokesperson. “But if another country does it then it’s reckless and stupid and we can’t possibly condone it, as such we will not be recognising an independent state of Catalonia.” Comedy Foreign Secretary and overweight clown act Boris Johnson was quick to condemn the Catalan declaration. “Ah yes. Well. You see, whilst the triumphant wind of independence has swept through our great nation, in Spain that wind has become the foul stench of rebellion and consequently we oppose it wholeheartedly,” he said, whilst simultaneously breaking wind and belching. “I mean, it’s not like they’re going to give £350m to their health service, or stop millions of imaginary immigrants rampaging through Catalonia sponging benefits and trying to ban Christmas, or make a concerted effort to preserve their bendy bananas, is it? “No. So they can all get back to work and do as they’re told, then.” “Can I be Prime Minister yet?” He added, before pretending to go for a run. It is currently unknown whether or not Catalonia will seek to retain close ties with Spain whilst simultaneously briefing to the press that Spanish Government is full of mendacious liars who smell of garlic. But, frankly, nothing would be a surprise anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-10-29 2:58 PM It’s only taking back control when we do it, Britain tells Catalonia Theresa May not recognising Catalan independence Some hours after the Catalan regional parliament declared independence, Britain has reminded the region that it’s only taking back control when we do it. “Look, it’s all very well to take back control against a distant and unpopular government if you’re British,” said a Downing Street spokesperson. “But if another country does it then it’s reckless and stupid and we can’t possibly condone it, as such we will not be recognising an independent state of Catalonia.” Comedy Foreign Secretary and overweight clown act Boris Johnson was quick to condemn the Catalan declaration. “Ah yes. Well. You see, whilst the triumphant wind of independence has swept through our great nation, in Spain that wind has become the foul stench of rebellion and consequently we oppose it wholeheartedly,” he said, whilst simultaneously breaking wind and belching. “I mean, it’s not like they’re going to give £350m to their health service, or stop millions of imaginary immigrants rampaging through Catalonia sponging benefits and trying to ban Christmas, or make a concerted effort to preserve their bendy bananas, is it? “No. So they can all get back to work and do as they’re told, then.” “Can I be Prime Minister yet?” He added, before pretending to go for a run. It is currently unknown whether or not Catalonia will seek to retain close ties with Spain whilst simultaneously briefing to the press that Spanish Government is full of mendacious liars who smell of garlic. But, frankly, nothing would be a surprise anymore. Copy and pasting the Profs work doesn't qualify as all my own work ;-) .......... Hmmm I'm wondering now about your educational qualifications .......Seeing as the headmaster was your Dad :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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