Fascist Fransen re-arrested

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-16 5:41 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 4:19 PM

 

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

In a nutshell. Exactly the intent of those spouting forth their vitriol and hatred.

 

Know what ya mean ... Bit like these Britain First members ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-beaten-pakistani-men-dating-11702237

[antony1969]

Even more Britain First members attacking gays ... https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/942071331478220802

[Barryd999]

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 4:46 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 4:19 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 1:56 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 11:33 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 7:05 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-15 7:15 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:03 PM

 

I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 9:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 4:46 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 4:19 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 1:56 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 11:33 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 7:05 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-15 7:15 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:03 PM

 

I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

[Barryd999]

antony1969 - 2017-12-17 7:46 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 9:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 4:46 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 4:19 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 1:56 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 11:33 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 7:05 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-15 7:15 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:03 PM

 

I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-17 8:58 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-17 7:46 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 9:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 4:46 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 4:19 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 1:56 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-16 11:33 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-16 7:05 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-15 7:15 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-15 7:03 PM

 

I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

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How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

 

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

 

Who's campaigned to kick out Europeans ???

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Another Britain First killing ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carnage-inside-christian-church-suicide-11710455 ... That'll make 15000 and sumat this year Barry ... Still another couple of weeks to go might make 16000 ... Christian slaughter

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

 

Who's campaigned to kick out Europeans ???

 

Have I misunderstood? Wasnt that one of the main reasons many voted to leave the EU? Seemed like it was.

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How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

 

If you think its bad now :-| .........Watch what happens if you manage to overturn BREXIT >:-) .........

 

 

I dont want to overturn Brexit Dave if its what the majority want. I want the majority to overturn Brexit themselves.

 

Is Farage going to stir up an army and get his rifle out and put his little Khaki shorts on? I'd pay good money to see that. (lol)

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

 

Who's campaigned to kick out Europeans ???

 

Have I misunderstood? Wasnt that one of the main reasons many voted to leave the EU? Seemed like it was.

 

"Kick out Europeans" suggests those who voted leave don't like Europeans Barry and given you say many voted leave mainly to kick out Europeans I would say thats a pretty wild claim ... Over 17 million voted leave and if we take your many as half that figure are you suggesting 8.5 million people voted leave because they wanted to kick out Europeans as you put it ??? ... Did the other 8.5 million fall the bus advert then ???

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

 

Who's campaigned to kick out Europeans ???

 

Have I misunderstood? Wasnt that one of the main reasons many voted to leave the EU? Seemed like it was.

 

"Kick out Europeans" suggests those who voted leave don't like Europeans Barry and given you say many voted leave mainly to kick out Europeans I would say thats a pretty wild claim ... Over 17 million voted leave and if we take your many as half that figure are you suggesting 8.5 million people voted leave because they wanted to kick out Europeans as you put it ??? ... Did the other 8.5 million fall the bus advert then ???

 

According to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey 73% of voters in the UK who were concerned about immigration voted to leave the EU. It was without doubt at the top of the list of reasons to leave. I think many would fudge around it by blaming barmy EU laws but lets face it, when asked how many could list any? Im not saying they were wrong or right to chose immigration from the EU as a reason to leave but the fact remains it was one of the main reasons many did. From what you are telling me about Islam and Muslims though maybe they were voting to kick out the wrong immigrants.

 

To be fair though if we have too many immigrants its mainly down to the government not the EU and we have always had control or been able to make our own laws about non EU migration so if its such a concern why have they not done something about it?

 

 

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I think this is it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzFlQRkGbM

 

She sounds just as nuts as those Islamic extremists who produce similar videos but at least most of them know to turn the camera around so it doesnt look like its been filmed through a post box.

 

Im a great believer in free speech really but there has to be limits especially if you have people like Donald trump retweeting this kind of hate but it has to cut both ways. If we are taking people like her down (And the world would be a better place without people like her) you have to take down the nutters at the other end of the Islamic extremism as well. The world would be a better place without them also.

 

I found the last bit a bit chilling. They really want a war dont they?

 

By putting the video on here your doing her job for her if you believe she's a hate preacher ... What did she say exactly that chilled you so ???

 

Well Im not totally convinced it does need to be censored. As said its a difficult line. where do you set the limits? It was the way she said take back control. Just take a look at her and her thugs she surrounds herself with. I dont think they intend to take back control by asking Muslims over a cup of tea to politely leave.

 

Extremists never achieve anything, they just cause huge amounts of suffering.

 

It is true though that Muslims who dont want to integrate are taking over certain areas, you yourself have pointed that out. I was in a home the other night which is surrounded by such people. They are the only white Christians left and it is a different world. I can see why some feel threatened. What is raging about it and spreading hate going to do though? Just make it worse I suspect.

 

Maybe all those that campaigned to get shot of our Christian neighbours who are pretty much the same of us should have turned their attention to reducing immigration from outside of the EU then, something we have always had control over.

 

Thugs ?? ... Explain

 

You dont have to look very hard to see what they are like.

And thats on camera. I think threatening to "Rip someones Jaw off" For filming them is pretty thugish. This report is from 2014 and I suspect they have cleaned their act up a bit since then but it seems pretty clear to me that whilst they may try and make out they are none violent, violence is exactly what they intend to promote. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/britain-first-the-violent-new-face-of-british-fascism

 

So on one side you have extremist Muslims spreading hate and fear and encouraging other Muslims to take up arms against none Muslims and this lot are no better IMO. Where will all that end if more and more people start supporting either side? Thats what both sides want of course. They want a war. They want division and more hate.

 

Ive seen much worse happen on anti-Trump marches by masked left wing Antifa thugs yet you stay silent on that ... "This lot are no better" than Muslim extremists ??? How many deaths in the name of Islam this year Barry ??? How many attacks in England in the name of Islam this year ??? How many attacks stopped in the name of Islam because thankfully our security services stopped them this year ??? How many families in this country having Christmas this year without a loved one because of some murderous act carried out in the name of Islam ??? Ask the same questions for Britain First , if they are no better as you put it then the figures will be roughly the same

Britain First exist because of Islam and those who deny or have denied we have a problem with it Barry , thankfully it can't be said i'm a Muslim or a denier so I can't be blamed for Britain First

I see all the armed Police and military along with all the concrete barriers are in place to stop all those attacks by Britain First members Barry ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186015/Former-anti-terror-chief-Attack-Christmas-likely.html

 

I haven't followed too closely what has happened in America Antony but as you know I would condemn violence of any kind whether perpetrated from the left or the right. It just solves nothing and you have lost once you resort to such measures. I Dont know what motivates people to go out and kill innocent people with trucks, cars, knives and bombs but I do know that people like Britain First will only make that worse. Whipping up a hate frenzy against an entire religion whether they are extremists or just the bloke who works in the Kebab shop and has never hurt a fly is not really justified in our country I feel. Hate crime on mosques and Muslims doubled last year though, I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members or were spurred into action by them.

 

I Dont deny there is a problem as there clearly is but how will starting a race war resolve it? Fact is nothing really can until those that are of that persuasion are either locked up or accept, modern moderate values which should certainly be the case here in the UK.

 

A close friend and someone I used to work with was beaten to within an inch of his life and hospitalised some time ago out the back of his shop in Hounslow. A lovely little fella and it was always a pleasure to go and work down there with him and his lovely wife and family. All he can remember is them shouting stuff like Paki Muslim Bastard etc etc. Sunny is a Hindu Indian, not really religious and drinks like a fish. He was just putting out the rubbish before going to the pub. There are some very stupid and violent people in this country. People like Britain First will just make these people feel justified in carrying out stuff like this that happened to someone like Sunny.

 

As difficult as it is, I think the people of Manchester showed us how to behave when faced with the appalling cowardly acts that were carried out in the name of some perverted version of a normally peaceful religion earlier this year. Love not hate was the message and its the only way.

 

Thats a rather wild shout Barry ... "hate crime on Muslims and Mosques doubled last year ... I wonder how many who carried out such acts were Britain First members" ... Suppose we'll never know and because we'll never know its a cheap shot ... I could say how many of the incidents were real or done by Muslims themselves ??? A totally daft and pointless question if I may say ... You waffle on quite a lot about Britain First and its very small membership trying to portray them as the bad guy but yet ignore the 20000 Muslims on the terrorist watch list ... Ya know those who want to blow us all up and stab and shoot us , drive trucks into us while screaming Allahu Akbar ... But ye Britain First they are the bad guys I suppose , the real promoters of hate and violence and terror ... Muslims , their just misunderstood

 

Not really. Bullet started a thread about them so I gave my views thats all. I dont generally give them a second thought although clearly they are big news at the moment thanks to Donald Trump. They are promoters of hate and violence though. That much is clear. Even your beloved Theresa says so. You seem to think Muslims are the real promoters of hate and violence but that statement encompasses all Muslims. I am sure you meant to say Islamic extremists are promoters of Hate and Violence. Their numbers or at least the true numbers of those who wish to harm us are probably on a similar small scale to Britain first members or those who support them. Both are as bad as each other IMO and contribute nothing to making this country a better or safer place.

 

What do you suggest we do? Kick out anyone who is a Muslim?

 

Eh ... The number of Islamic extremists are on a similar scale to Britain First members or those who support them ??? ... Mad and you don't or didn't give them a second thought before the POTUS Trump incident because compared to Islamic extremism they are a total irrelevance as is what PM Mrs May thinks of them ... Regarding whose promoting what , the promoters of hate and violence that would be Islamic extremists specialist subject but if we are talking about promoting hate then a certain book followed by Muslims has lot to answer for ... Your lucky you don't have problems with all the Muslims that live in your village and you obviously don't have access to MSM news to see whats happening in the world thanks to Islam , though it does seem you know all about the death , destruction and slaughter carried out in Britain Firsts name

 

Your twisting things now Antony. I never said death and destruction was being carried out in Britain Firsts name and of course I have known about their existence before Trump engaged his gob before his brain (if he has one). What do Britain First want to achieve? I dont think its peace and harmony or acceptance of peaceful Muslims is it? They seem to me to want to stir up hatred and no doubt would like to see anyone remotely Muslim packed off and shipped out. Its the tarring with the same brush thing again that I cannot support. If my pal turned up at one of their rallies how would he be received do you think? Would they rip his jaw off like that nice man in the video was going to do to the reporter?

 

Im well aware of whats going on in the world and I agree with some of what you say regarding problem areas in this country and certainly in other parts of the Muslim world but how are this lot going to make that better? I really would like to know.

 

I haven't twisted anything Barry , it wasn't me who suggested Britain First are as bad as Muslim extremists it was you so I just followed on from that ... You say your well aware of issues throughout the Muslim world , others may not be and might get the information you have from Britain First because MSM doesn't cover it , you know a little like the BNP tried making folk aware of Muslim grooming gangs because MSM didn't want to cover it and still in many ways don't ... Britain First may not always be accurate with what they say but shock horror neither is MSM ... They haven't killed anyone or told anyone to kill anyone , they don't want violence on their marches the violence comes from those who oppose them , all they do is make folk aware of the nasties that happen here and abroad in the name of Islam so what is so wrong with that ??? ... If Islam wasn't rotten then Britain First wouldn't exist would they ???

 

Well maybe we have to agree to disagree but to me they are a hybrid of the BNP and EDL with a bit of National Front for good measure and whilst you claim they are none violent, off camera I wouldn't want to be any kind of Muslim that finds themselves in their lair. A pretty insignificant force really that latched itself onto the back of UKIP but has shot to world wide fame thanks to Trump. Whilst I respect everyone's right to free speech and to believe what they want to believe I fail to see how Britain First will ever achieve anything but spreading fear and hate but of course IMO that is exactly what they want. Lets be honest about it. Thats why they are no better than those extremists spouting the same sort of bile about infidels and some perverted form of Islam IMO. They dont go around lopping heads off I am sure but probably most of the nutters in the Islamic extremist videos dont either. Most are probably just full of hot air.

 

How are either going to bring more harmony and integration to our country?

 

I notice nobody answered my question earlier though. If its such a concern to get rid of or stop the flow of Muslims into this country, why have these people spent so much time campaigning to kick out Europeans and not Muslims?

 

Who's campaigned to kick out Europeans ???

 

Have I misunderstood? Wasnt that one of the main reasons many voted to leave the EU? Seemed like it was.

 

"Kick out Europeans" suggests those who voted leave don't like Europeans Barry and given you say many voted leave mainly to kick out Europeans I would say thats a pretty wild claim ... Over 17 million voted leave and if we take your many as half that figure are you suggesting 8.5 million people voted leave because they wanted to kick out Europeans as you put it ??? ... Did the other 8.5 million fall the bus advert then ???

 

According to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey 73% of voters in the UK who were concerned about immigration voted to leave the EU. It was without doubt at the top of the list of reasons to leave. I think many would fudge around it by blaming barmy EU laws but lets face it, when asked how many could list any? Im not saying they were wrong or right to chose immigration from the EU as a reason to leave but the fact remains it was one of the main reasons many did. From what you are telling me about Islam and Muslims though maybe they were voting to kick out the wrong immigrants.

 

To be fair though if we have too many immigrants its mainly down to the government not the EU and we have always had control or been able to make our own laws about non EU migration so if its such a concern why have they not done something about it?

 

 

You've gone from a totally acceptable "concerned about immigration" to a pretty vicious "kick out Europeans" though ... Which one is it because they are two totally different things

[RogerC]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-18 1:02 PM

1......... chose immigration from the EU as a reason to leave but the fact remains it was one of the main reasons many did.

2......To be fair though if we have too many immigrants its mainly down to the government not the EU and we have always had control or been able to make our own laws about non EU migration so if its such a concern why have they not done something about it?

1.  Yes it was.  Having unfettered access given to hundreds of thousands of able bodied, qualified 'and' willing to work for what 'we' consider to be unacceptably low wages, but to them was amazingly good compared to what they could earn in their own country, was clearly a major failing in the EU planning. 

I don't blame those that did come over for doing so, it stands to reason it was, for them, a massive opportunity.  However B'liar and his cronies, seeking support and willing to do almost anything to hold on to power massively exacerbated the problem.  So yes it is to quite some extent of 'our own making' although I don't consider that ego maniac B'liar to be representative of me.  However the EU has to shoulder the greater portion of the blame.  Had it not been for their desire to create an EU wide 'level playing field' none of this would have happened.  I even accept that Brexit would not have won the referendum.  It is my honest opinion that had the EU not enacted regulations that opened the flood gates.

2.  See 1 vis a vis B'liar and governmental responsibility.
There is a whole raft of information, admissions of 'party' over country (essentially B'liar should be tried for treason because he knowingly acted against the interests of the UK in favour of Party and self interest).

As for doing something about it Cameron and T May did:
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has convinced her counterparts in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands to campaign for tighter restrictions to migrants’ access to welfare handouts and other state-funded services.
The restriction on so called 'benefits tourists', those coming to the UK, Germany, Netherlands, Austria was designed to stop those migrants coming from the poorest EU nations and claiming benefits that alone were way in excess of that which they could 'earn' at home.  So they did do something.

Here's a little more evidence from 2013:
The letter sent by the four countries warns that the EU free movement directive must not be “unconditional” and that major towns and cities “are under a considerable strain by certain immigrants from other member states”.

“These immigrants avail themselves of the opportunities that freedom of movement provides, without, however, fulfilling the requirements for exercising this right,” the letter states.
“This type of immigration burdens the host societies with considerable additional costs, in particular caused by the provision of schooling, health care and adequate accommodation.”

The letter was sent to Alan Shatter, president of the justice and home affairs council, and was signed by Mrs May, Johanna Mikl-Leitner, Austria’s federal minister of the interior, Dr Hans Peter Friedrich, Germany’s federal minister of the interior, and Fred Teeven, minister for immigration in The Netherlands.

The letter adds: “On top of this strain on vital local services, a significant number of new immigrants draw social assistance in the host countries, frequently without a genuine entitlement, burdening the host countries’ social welfare systems.”

The free movement directive allows all citizens of the EU access to any member state.
Ministers have expressed concerns that it allows foreigners to arrive in the UK simply to claim benefits before returning to their home country.
The letter adds that legal and financial measures must be taken to crack down on migrants from outside the EU who marry and EU citizen in a bid to claim state benefits.

As I see it the bottom line is that the EU, in it's drive towards a 'level playing field, remember it is looking to harmonise fiscal policy, taxation etc through enforced adoption of the Euro, cared not what it's freedom of movement policy achieved in terms of mass movement across the zone.  All it was desirous of was to further it's aims of ever greater union and integration.  Basically allow mass unfettered movement and the social fabric changes.  Then once that is achieved progress to fiscal unity and 'bingo'.......EU superstate.

[Barryd999]

I wont quote either of you as the threads on here are getting so long they are unreadable.

 

But Antony, "Kicking them out" is just a turn of phrase. The two statements pretty much amount to the same thing. People saw EU migrants as a threat to them and exiting the EU would get shot of them and life would be rosy. As we know its just not the case but water under the bridge and all that.

 

Roger, I dont subscribe to your EU superstate theory as you know.

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-18 3:53 PM

 

I wont quote either of you as the threads on here are getting so long they are unreadable.

 

But Antony, "Kicking them out" is just a turn of phrase. The two statements pretty much amount to the same thing. People saw EU migrants as a threat to them and exiting the EU would get shot of them and life would be rosy. As we know its just not the case but water under the bridge and all that.

 

Roger, I dont subscribe to your EU superstate theory as you know.

 

So if I said "kick out Muslims" rather than "concerned about Muslim migration" it would be fine as its the same thing and you'd have no issue with that at alll I presume ???

[Bulletguy]

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 5:47 PM

 

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

 

Who cares other than you and her as you put it "right wing extremists" ... Can you produce some of those weeping comments regarding her removal of free speech so we can all have a laugh

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:00 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 5:47 PM

 

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

 

Who cares other than you and her as you put it "right wing extremists" ... Can you produce some of those weeping comments regarding her removal of free speech so we can all have a laugh

But you don't care.......you just said so yourself. ;-) (lol)(lol)

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 6:24 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:00 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 5:47 PM

 

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

 

Who cares other than you and her as you put it "right wing extremists" ... Can you produce some of those weeping comments regarding her removal of free speech so we can all have a laugh

But you don't care.......you just said so yourself. ;-) (lol)(lol)

 

I like most couldn't give a fudge regarding her twitter suspension ... Might be nice of you to prove some folk do care though as with "right wing extremists weeping" claim ... If not its just all hot air isn't it ???

[Barryd999]

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 4:52 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2017-12-18 3:53 PM

 

I wont quote either of you as the threads on here are getting so long they are unreadable.

 

But Antony, "Kicking them out" is just a turn of phrase. The two statements pretty much amount to the same thing. People saw EU migrants as a threat to them and exiting the EU would get shot of them and life would be rosy. As we know its just not the case but water under the bridge and all that.

 

Roger, I dont subscribe to your EU superstate theory as you know.

 

So if I said "kick out Muslims" rather than "concerned about Muslim migration" it would be fine as its the same thing and you'd have no issue with that at alll I presume ???

 

I dont see why the phrase I used is such a big deal. People were concerned about EU migration and many hoped we could stop that and many wanted them to leave (kick em out). Ill pick my words more carefully if you like in future but I dont see why its that relevant. You knew what I meant.

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:37 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 6:24 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:00 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 5:47 PM

 

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

 

Who cares other than you and her as you put it "right wing extremists" ... Can you produce some of those weeping comments regarding her removal of free speech so we can all have a laugh

But you don't care.......you just said so yourself. ;-) (lol)(lol)

 

I like most couldn't give a fudge regarding her twitter suspension ...

So you said in the previous post. *-)

 

Might be nice of you to prove some folk do care though as with "right wing extremists weeping" claim ... If not its just all hot air isn't it ???

I don't need to prove anything.....it's there if you want to look but you "don't care" and "couldn't give a fudge" so quit blarting because you're beginning to come across like one of her bitter weepy fans now. (lol)

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 9:00 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:37 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 6:24 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-18 6:00 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-18 5:47 PM

 

 

Fransen and Golding have now been kicked off Twitter. Having read some of the bile and vitriol she was spouting off, i'm surprised either lasted this long. Typically her right wing extremists are weeping she's had her free speech taken away......she hasn't, she's had her 'right' to spout crap on Twitter taken away.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/britain-first-leaders-jayda-fransen-and-paul-goldings-twitter-accounts-suspended-a3722371.html

 

Who cares other than you and her as you put it "right wing extremists" ... Can you produce some of those weeping comments regarding her removal of free speech so we can all have a laugh

But you don't care.......you just said so yourself. ;-) (lol)(lol)

 

I like most couldn't give a fudge regarding her twitter suspension ...

So you said in the previous post. *-)

 

Might be nice of you to prove some folk do care though as with "right wing extremists weeping" claim ... If not its just all hot air isn't it ???

I don't need to prove anything.....it's there if you want to look but you "don't care" and "couldn't give a fudge" so quit blarting because you're beginning to come across like one of her bitter weepy fans now. (lol)

 

"I done need to prove anything" ... Really should be "I can't prove anything" ... Hot air once again