Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:43 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... If only it were that simple Dave. The EU is not the only place from which we get our cheap labour. If that source dries up, and we know that's a big "if", do you really believe the industries that rely on it are not going to be allowed source it from elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. I thought the Tories had done more for low paid than anyone and when you talk of "powerful people" pushing for Brexit I thought those "powerful people" who voted to leave were just like the low paid who voted to Leave with one big thing in common , they all just about managed without the help of far superior intelligent Remainers to put an X where they wanted it to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:43 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... Still buying the old Brexit immigration lie Dave? As Antony is fond of saying. Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-15 10:41 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:43 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... Still buying the old Brexit immigration lie Dave? As Antony is fond of saying. Amazing! Really?.......Didn't you remark only the other day that EU migration was slowing down? ;-) ........and the BOE have stated that they have seen a upwards increase in wage growth B-) ....... BTW.....that's known as Cause & Affect amazingly >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-15 10:29 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. I thought the Tories had done more for low paid than anyone and when you talk of "powerful people" pushing for Brexit I thought those "powerful people" who voted to leave were just like the low paid who voted to Leave with one big thing in common , they all just about managed without the help of far superior intelligent Remainers to put an X where they wanted it to go If you read the other link I posted for Dave there's a graph showing the increase in wage inequality since 1979. It has however fallen off its peak which was between 2007 and 2009 so maybe the Tories can be trusted to reduce it further, I hope so. Also I have never suggested or sought to imply that remainers are in some way superior or more intelligent the brexiteers Antony. I prefer to deal with the arguments for and against which cross party political boundaries. A potential reduction in the availability of cheap labour was one of the attractions of voting Brexit for me but I just don't believe that it will happen whatever party is in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:55 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:43 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... If only it were that simple Dave. The EU is not the only place from which we get our cheap labour. If that source dries up, and we know that's a big "if", do you really believe the industries that rely on it are not going to be allowed source it from elsewhere? Yes they'll employ temporary labour like they used to, but more importantly that labour won't get a free pass into the UK benefit system :-| .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 11:17 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:55 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:43 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... If only it were that simple Dave. The EU is not the only place from which we get our cheap labour. If that source dries up, and we know that's a big "if", do you really believe the industries that rely on it are not going to be allowed source it from elsewhere? Yes they'll employ temporary labour like they used to, but more importantly that labour won't get a free pass into the UK benefit system :-| .......... We've been here before on that one haven't we Dave? There ain't a free pass to the benefit system. If an EU citizen becomes too much of a burden on the state purse then they lose the right to remain. It is not the fault of the EU that the UK tax payer has to pick up the tab for supplementing the low incomes of the poorly paid or that we don't properly enforce EU rules about who can stay and who cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 11:17 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 10:29 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. I thought the Tories had done more for low paid than anyone and when you talk of "powerful people" pushing for Brexit I thought those "powerful people" who voted to leave were just like the low paid who voted to Leave with one big thing in common , they all just about managed without the help of far superior intelligent Remainers to put an X where they wanted it to go If you read the other link I posted for Dave there's a graph showing the increase in wage inequality since 1979. It has however fallen off its peak which was between 2007 and 2009 so maybe the Tories can be trusted to reduce it further, I hope so. Also I have never suggested or sought to imply that remainers are in some way superior or more intelligent the brexiteers Antony. I prefer to deal with the arguments for and against which cross party political boundaries. A potential reduction in the availability of cheap labour was one of the attractions of voting Brexit for me but I just don't believe that it will happen whatever party is in power. Fair point Veronica ... I was of course only jesting about Leave voters intelligence , though it is well known we are pretty dim compared to most Remain types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-15 11:44 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 11:17 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 10:29 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. I thought the Tories had done more for low paid than anyone and when you talk of "powerful people" pushing for Brexit I thought those "powerful people" who voted to leave were just like the low paid who voted to Leave with one big thing in common , they all just about managed without the help of far superior intelligent Remainers to put an X where they wanted it to go If you read the other link I posted for Dave there's a graph showing the increase in wage inequality since 1979. It has however fallen off its peak which was between 2007 and 2009 so maybe the Tories can be trusted to reduce it further, I hope so. Also I have never suggested or sought to imply that remainers are in some way superior or more intelligent the brexiteers Antony. I prefer to deal with the arguments for and against which cross party political boundaries. A potential reduction in the availability of cheap labour was one of the attractions of voting Brexit for me but I just don't believe that it will happen whatever party is in power. Fair point Veronica ... I was of course only jesting about Leave voters intelligence , though it is well known we are pretty dim compared to most Remain types I'd rather be a bit dim......Than be completely lights out like Remoaners :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... And even admits it. 8-) From that link one set of figures stood out more than any to me.....the phenomenal increase of zero hour contracts from 2012. Absolutely disgraceful. When examining wage inequality, we often compare hourly wage rates e.g. £8 an hour versus £22 an hour. But, an important factor is how many hours a worker is able to work. For example, if you have a guaranteed 40 hour week, you will get a certain weekly wage. However, if you are on a zero-hour contract, the firm has no obligation to employ for a minimum number of hours. Some weeks, you may only get a limited amount of hours to work, leading to lower weekly take-home pay. The growth of part-time and short-term contracts has led to lower gross weekly pay for many workers and is an important source of wage inequality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-15 4:45 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... And even admits it. 8-) From that link one set of figures stood out more than any to me.....the phenomenal increase of zero hour contracts from 2012. Absolutely disgraceful. When examining wage inequality, we often compare hourly wage rates e.g. £8 an hour versus £22 an hour. But, an important factor is how many hours a worker is able to work. For example, if you have a guaranteed 40 hour week, you will get a certain weekly wage. However, if you are on a zero-hour contract, the firm has no obligation to employ for a minimum number of hours. Some weeks, you may only get a limited amount of hours to work, leading to lower weekly take-home pay. The growth of part-time and short-term contracts has led to lower gross weekly pay for many workers and is an important source of wage inequality. Come on Dum Dum surely you're not that thick? *-) ........ Why do you think companies have been able to get away with zero hour contracts?.......... Because THEY CAN >:-) .......and its got sod all to do with politics :-| ......but everything to do with the availability of cheap labour *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 5:23 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-15 4:45 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... And even admits it. 8-) From that link one set of figures stood out more than any to me.....the phenomenal increase of zero hour contracts from 2012. Absolutely disgraceful. When examining wage inequality, we often compare hourly wage rates e.g. £8 an hour versus £22 an hour. But, an important factor is how many hours a worker is able to work. For example, if you have a guaranteed 40 hour week, you will get a certain weekly wage. However, if you are on a zero-hour contract, the firm has no obligation to employ for a minimum number of hours. Some weeks, you may only get a limited amount of hours to work, leading to lower weekly take-home pay. The growth of part-time and short-term contracts has led to lower gross weekly pay for many workers and is an important source of wage inequality. Come on Dum Dum surely you're not that thick? *-) ........ Why do you think companies have been able to get away with zero hour contracts?.......... Because THEY CAN >:-) .......and its got sod all to do with politics :-| ......but everything to do with the availability of cheap labour *-) ......... I disagree Dave. We could legislate so as to control the circumstances in which it was permissible to have zero hours contracts or whether we should allow them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 5:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 5:23 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-15 4:45 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... And even admits it. 8-) From that link one set of figures stood out more than any to me.....the phenomenal increase of zero hour contracts from 2012. Absolutely disgraceful. When examining wage inequality, we often compare hourly wage rates e.g. £8 an hour versus £22 an hour. But, an important factor is how many hours a worker is able to work. For example, if you have a guaranteed 40 hour week, you will get a certain weekly wage. However, if you are on a zero-hour contract, the firm has no obligation to employ for a minimum number of hours. Some weeks, you may only get a limited amount of hours to work, leading to lower weekly take-home pay. The growth of part-time and short-term contracts has led to lower gross weekly pay for many workers and is an important source of wage inequality. Come on Dum Dum surely you're not that thick? *-) ........ Why do you think companies have been able to get away with zero hour contracts?.......... Because THEY CAN >:-) .......and its got sod all to do with politics :-| ......but everything to do with the availability of cheap labour *-) ......... I disagree Dave. We could legislate so as to control the circumstances in which it was permissible to have zero hours contracts or whether we should allow them at all. Government could and should, but won't.......because for them zero hours counts as 'employed' so enables them to massage the true unemployment figure. Naturally it also stifles low wage increases. 1% of not very much will always be.....not very much, so it keeps the 'prollies' down whilst allowing high income earners to go stratospheric. A recent study by the OECD found the gap in UK has widened further than any other developed country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 5:23 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-15 4:45 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... And even admits it. 8-) From that link one set of figures stood out more than any to me.....the phenomenal increase of zero hour contracts from 2012. Absolutely disgraceful. When examining wage inequality, we often compare hourly wage rates e.g. £8 an hour versus £22 an hour. But, an important factor is how many hours a worker is able to work. For example, if you have a guaranteed 40 hour week, you will get a certain weekly wage. However, if you are on a zero-hour contract, the firm has no obligation to employ for a minimum number of hours. Some weeks, you may only get a limited amount of hours to work, leading to lower weekly take-home pay. The growth of part-time and short-term contracts has led to lower gross weekly pay for many workers and is an important source of wage inequality. Come on Dum Dum surely you're not that thick? *-) ........ Why do you think companies have been able to get away with zero hour contracts?.......... Because THEY CAN >:-) .......and its got sod all to do with politics :-| ......but everything to do with the availability of cheap labour *-) ......... I disagree Dave. It has a lot to do with politics and how far the government wishes to interfere with the workings of the market. We could legislate so as to control the circumstances in which it was permissible to have zero hours contracts or whether we should allow them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 6:02 PM I disagree Dave. It has a lot to do with politics and how far the government wishes to interfere with the workings of the market. We could legislate so as to control the circumstances in which it was permissible to have zero hours contracts or whether we should allow them at all. If folk don't like zero hour contracts, then there's nothing stopping them from finding another job :-| .......... Or even start their own ;-) ........ I don't see that its governments job to wet nurse the Snowflake generation *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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