Mel E Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 JudgeMental, I'll let you have the last word. After all it's so inaccurate, and you continue to 'quote' me as writing things that simply aren't in my posts, that it's pointless to continue. Why waste my time? Bye, bye, forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Mel E You're not going ... permanently are you!!! Oh God, not another one!!! Dropping like ruddy flies now ... 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 icelander - 2007-02-04 6:06 PM Can I repeat my request for information please. Where and what lock is good for sheilding or replacing curent habitation doors of coach builts. The one that covers the lock from the outside - any views please? Not sure if the ones shown here http://www.discountfiamma.com/products/comfort_line/security/index.html#002 are what you are looking for, but they are the only ones I know of. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 With an attitude like that Mel E, I doubt you will be missed by many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Mel E, I am sorry you feel like that and need to depart the forum, but it really is important not to take offence at what people say. I think it is always wise to remember a sign I have on my fridge. "what you think you heard is not what I said, and what I said is not what I meant" Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hi Rob, I fitted the Safeways D160 to the habitation door on my last motorhome, it was very difficult to fit as the habitation door had a fly screen door attached to it. So decided to fit the Fiamma safe door to the MH I have now, which also has a fly screen and was much easier to fit. I also bought the Cab Door D125 roll bolts, but changed the MH before getting round to fitting them. Have a look at Brian’s site (ourwanderer.org) to see how he fitted the roll bolts to the cab doors. There are a number of companies selling Van armoured locks, have a google on the net to find some of them. Regards Terry http://www.ourwanderer.org/peug3.htm#Page%203 http://www.safewaysltd.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Thanks again for the good info Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hi Dave, Thanks for your comments, regarding your post which together with all others, make very interesting and amusing reading, on my rather controversial heading. Nobody should be taking too seriously any of the remarks, but try to read the underlying message, which I am certain mean no harm, I always take them in good fun. I have detected on this Forum a magnitude of retired professional people and graduates from the University of Life, most of us have oodles of knowledge but from time to time, we need to ask the advice of others, as we might not have teenagers at home to fill in any gaps of our knowledge which have occurred for one reason or another. I think we all appreciate the forum where we can ask others, and have a bit of fun at the same time. I thank all those responders for and against, who have taken up the gauntlet. On a more personal note - Nobody would take umbrage at your first remark below, but they could do perhaps at the second remark – it sort of demeans the DIYer and says he’s cheap and skimped on the job, although I know you didn’t mean it to be taken in that context. Rem 1 “As a large proportion of the cost of professional alarm installation is the labour to fit them it is unfair to compare a diy fit alarm sytem to a commercially installed one on price.” Rem 2 “unfair to compare a cheap diy installed alarm with an expensive professionally installed system” Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Thanks Basil. I like the Safe door lock rather than the 31? large handle as I can just see someone tugging that with two hands and ripping out the wall of my M.home. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 starspirit - 2007-02-04 5:33 PM So Eddie and Mel it's loaded kippers at dawn is it then? No, but I would gladly buy him breakfast (luv kippers) :-) If he would stop being daft and stick around to fight another day? I admit to being tenacious, and can appear somewhat flippant. And would hate to see any one leave on my account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dwight Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Well all I can say is that we had a Strikeback alarm fitted, OK it was expensive but what the hell we had jsut spent over £30 grand on a vehicle. We fell happy knowing it is reasonably secore, I would rather do that than spend hundreds of pounds on Satellite TV expensive Sat nav etc, etc, As for the workmanship and courtesy of the staff they were great, good camp site, courtesy vehicle into town we had a great couple of days there. If you want cheap when it dont work dont moan. David PS and we have short arms and deep pockets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi David, We might spend £30K or more on our hobby, but now 1000 views - wow, so we do look out for bargains and money saving tips - don't we? They didn't get us all did they! Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Terry, I don't think anyone has criticised your cheap alarm or your intentions behind this thread, to let people know there are cost effective alternatives to professionally installed alarm systems. terry wrote: "On a more personal note - Nobody would take umbrage at your first remark below, but they could do perhaps at the second remark – it sort of demeans the DIYer and says he’s cheap and skimped on the job, although I know you didn’t mean it to be taken in that context. Rem 1 “As a large proportion of the cost of professional alarm installation is the labour to fit them it is unfair to compare a diy fit alarm sytem to a commercially installed one on price.” Rem 2 “unfair to compare a cheap diy installed alarm with an expensive professionally installed system” " I have re-read my comments several times and the only error I can find is I should have placed a comma after the word "cheap" in the second comment. However, I beleive it could only be misunderstood in the way you suggest by someone who chose to deliberately mis-interpret my meaning, it is noted that you did not do this. ;-) D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I thought Terry`s original subject of RE: Van Blitz type Alarm for £39 - Never Meant that the Micromark Alarm at £39 can never be as good as a Van Bitz one at £500 (maybe 99% as good) Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dave, Your remarks acknowledged with thanks. Rob, Just got back from Homebase, they still had the Micromark MM23084 on clearance sale, marked down from £39.99 to £15.99. The "Never" bit to me was mean't to mean "I don't believe it" and your interpretation is spot on as well. So bought another one for spares, although I reiterate, or is that irritate?, that it has never been switched off, its either armed or on standyby, and has been trouble free for over three years now, except to one tea leaf who attempted to break in, and that caused him trouble - with a capital T, as the song goes. Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Terry, Have a couple of questions for you. 1. Does the internal buzzer/sounder in the control box emit a sound when the alarm is triggered, e.g when the external siren sounds? 2. Does the extrernal siren have battery backup? Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Terry - Glad they still had one in stock for you. I purchased the £31.99 6 zone 4 PIRs model then realized that there was a 2 zone 2 PIRs model so bought 2 of them. Maybe I will take the 6 zone back as unused. After all they say if you are not happy with it you can take it back for a full refund. From alarm companies - I have used some in the past - they sell those self adhesive window breaking sensors. I guess these could be fitted on the small cab windows with maybe some coiled sprung flexible cable. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Jon, First question yes to all, 2nd question the control box supplies the external siren with power from the either the battery back up in the control box and from the leisure battery when connected. The unit on standby and monitoring, uses 0.08 mA (80 milliamps), important to MHers, is how long would it work on a fully charged leisure battery. I would estimate 44 days on a fully charged 85amp battery. I have a solar panel on my van so it has been going for over three years without connecting to the mains. Assuming a thief were to locate, cut and/or remove the external siren, which is usually hidden behind a vent, but could be mounted on the surface of the van, the internal sounder would go active on cutting the wires, as would any disruptions to the wiring anywhere in the system. The external sounder does not have its own battery. The external siren is 110 Db and quite earpiercing outside when activated, the internal sounder in the control box, has a sort of continuous Dong Dong sound, and is sufficiently loud enough to wake you from a 12 year old Malt alcohol induced slumber. Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Rob, Yes you might as well take the 6 zone back, although do you need one for the house? I have been thinking about protecting the quaterlights and how to do it. One simple method is to hinge the door mirrors so they would have to be moved to get at the rubber strip and glass. I mentioned before, I have fitted a further alarm under the bonnet, this one has an adjustable shock sensor, if the door mirror was to be moved with a bit of a click (it is under tension), then the underbonnet alarm will activate. You really want some sort of switch, maybe a mercury tilt type switch stuck inside the mirror assembly, the wiring could go down the same route as the door electrics, and wired in series as are the other door magnetic reed switches. The other anti theft method I have seen, is sticking some very thin metal shim to the quaterlight window rubbers using evo-stick impact adhesive, making it impossible to cut the window rubbers with a craft knife. Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I like the idea of hidden mercury tilt switches. Used to have some but know a electrician who can help supply there when the time comes. I have alarm for house. One good thing about alcove model motorhome - this being my first - is the almost complete lack of frost on the windscreen including when not in use. So chuffed there. Wondering about gaslow now. Will go to that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Good old Homebase because I have just returned the £31.99 Micromark alarm no questions asked. PS Still have the two Van Bitz £15.99 alarm systems to fit - oops sorry Micromark alarm systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Icelander, don't you mean von blitz alarms to fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Terry, can you check the current consumption again, I think 80mA is a bit high and it could be less. Also you will not get 44 days at 80mA because you never get the full capacity out of a battery and also there may be other loads and also self discharge. The reason I doubt the consumption is Micromark also make a few alarms all based on the same circuits and some are a lot lower, especially those working on batteries only. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 And the point of a tilt switch on a motorhome is? hardly going to be lifted and towed away or jacked up for wheels to be stolen? or am I missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Yes Judge you are missing something, motorhomes do get towed away and hauled onto low loaders for removal to an area where they can be stripped/ringed whatever. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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