snowie Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:22 It doesn't require a Phd to work out what a customer means if they say ........"Is it cheaper for cash As long as the invoice says 25% cash discount everyone knows where they are. Very easy to lose track of the real cost/ value of your services , don’t want to be giving your services away too cheaply, just to avoid having to take all those cheques in to the bank, Snowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 snowie - 2018-12-09 8:36 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:22 It doesn't require a Phd to work out what a customer means if they say ........"Is it cheaper for cash As long as the invoice says 25% cash discount everyone knows where they are. Very easy to lose track of the real cost/ value of your services , don’t want to be giving your services away too cheaply, just to avoid having to take all those cheques in to the bank, Snowie I very rarely worked directly for Joe Public ;-) ........But I soon sussed out the reason why they wanted to deal directly with me :D ........... So I always quoted the full retail price as per my price list........and knocked off 25% when they asked is it cheaper for cash ;-) .........A win win for me as my retail price was double my trade price B-) ...... Never went in the bank :D ............But always through the books as "Taken as drawings" :-> ......... Although after we moved to Lincolnshire I had to go to the bank if they gave me £50 notes *-) ........... Have you ever tried to spend a £50 note in Lincolnshire?.........I tried it in Maplethorpe Coop once 8-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-08 6:58 PM The obvious, Antony is, well, obvious. Doesn't require a PhD to work out why cash transactions are usually cheaper for the buyer, does it? It doesn't require a Phd to work out what a customer means if they say ........"Is it cheaper for cash?"...... What you say is true - but the fact is that paying in cash is not against the law - dodging income tax is.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 malc d - 2018-12-09 8:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-08 6:58 PM The obvious, Antony is, well, obvious. Doesn't require a PhD to work out why cash transactions are usually cheaper for the buyer, does it? It doesn't require a Phd to work out what a customer means if they say ........"Is it cheaper for cash?"...... What you say is true - but the fact is that paying in cash is not a crime - dodging income tax is.. ;-) Very true.......... as is the assumption by folk like you that all tradesmen are dodgy ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:59 AM Very true.......... as is the assumption by folk like you that all tradesmen are dodgy ;-) ........ You toffs make just as many assumptions as the rest of us “socialists”, and tax dodging isn’t exclusive to any group. Snowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 malc d - 2018-12-09 8:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-08 6:58 PM The obvious, Antony is, well, obvious. Doesn't require a PhD to work out why cash transactions are usually cheaper for the buyer, does it? It doesn't require a Phd to work out what a customer means if they say ........"Is it cheaper for cash?"...... What you say is true - but the fact is that paying in cash is not against the law - dodging income tax is.. ;-) Quite ... Und if im correct none of the self employed types on here have suggested they dont declare the cash but I am informed by some of my self employed friends that does happen which is truly shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:36 AM Barryd999 - 2018-12-09 4:08 AM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 5:18 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 2:34 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 2:12 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 1:48 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 12:20 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 9:53 AM Recent survey shows similar. https://i.postimg.cc/6QZvNzDw/screenshot-47.png https://www.bestforbritain.org/map There is a huge amount of Bregret in Brexit heartlands which are generally places where people dont have a pot to pish in. A lot of protest votes, just go against Cameron on whatever he says, voting for anything other than what they currently have but the last thing these people really want is to make themselves even poorer which is exactly what any kind of Brexit will do for them. Perhaps some are waking up to the reality of their decision and the fact that once again they were lied to. Youve been concerned about the poor becoming poorer since when Barry Since always. Ive always supported the poor and charities that support them. I certainly dont want to see the regions I grew up in and worked in for years turn into wastelands despite the fact that many there voted Brexit. Thought you went off to the big smoke and made ya fortune in that London , deserting the poor and needy in your local area and spending your money in the bars and top end restaurants there and not at the desperate local businesses and folk you now care so much about ??? ... Your a bit like one a them luvvies type actors who run off to the States for fame and fortune never to return yet claim an undying love for where they dumped ... Interesting-A-Mondo Ah I see. So in order to support the poor you have to be one. I never spent my money in the bars and top end restaurants of London, I spent someone elses Money in the bars and top end restaurants in London. (lol) In some respects thats cool as I was pishing the corporate tax avoiders stash against some wall in Soho. Ive always paid my taxes, supported charities that help the homeless and less well off. I still occasionally pop into Darlo to throw a few out of date biscuits and stuff at the plebs. What more do you want? Youve gone all Hollywood Bullet style ... Ive not said you have to be poor like you claim unless you can show different ... Is a "corporate tax avoider" someone who breaks the law when paying tax or pays the legal amount owed ??? ... I bet if you were truthful you've either taken a cash payment or paid cash to someone to make it cheaper , you'll prolly deny it and I wont believe you if you do and that my friend will make you worse than the legal "corporate tax avoiders" ... Ive worked for all types who've paid me cash fully in the knowledge that if they did doing so made it cheaper for obvious reasons ... Coppers , teachers , tax office worker once , a school unbelievably etc etc Ive never paid cash for anything in business, I'm VAT registered and have to produce an invoice for everything as so are pretty much all of my clients. Most of what I do is business to business but as you know Im semi retired now so its very much small scale. Tax avoidance by small businesses is not in the same league as what the corporates or Jacob Reek Smugs sweaty little clients are hoping to get away with from swerving new EU directives on EU wide new tax laws, hence one of the reasons he and so many of the slimy little toads are so desperate to get out as quickly as possible. Rubbish , tax avoidance is tax avoidance whatever amount is involved and corporate tax avoidance which 99% of the time is legal is different to paying cash for items or receiving cash for work and not declaring it ... If you had two fuel garages in your village selling exactly the same fuel and one said if you paid cash he'd knock the VAT off which would you use and most of the members on here use ??? Exactly Who are the new EU tax avoidance directives aimed at and going to affect? People like me or big hitters like Smuggys clients? We dont have a garage in our village but if we did and it was breaking the law it would be my duty to report them to the inland revenue. B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:30 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-08 9:30 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 9:04 PM snowie - 2018-12-08 8:42 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 7:16 I dont want them having large sums of cash hanging about their home and absolutely no other reason ... What it has to do with HMRC I just dont know B-) How thoughtful. As a consumer, of postage stamps, free range eggs, flatscreen TVs or roofing services I don’t have to account for my expenditure, or how I pay for stuff. But as soon as it turns into income, it’s different. That’s up to you, or any other business that submits accounts. That’s what it’s got to do with HMRC Snowie I've been self employed for many years and done reasonably well out of it ... I certainly don't need schooling on what I need to submit to HMRC ... Yet you "didn't know" what it had to do with HMRC.....unless you were feigning that ignorance? :-| How I get paid has nothing to do with HMRC. Only if earning less than £11,850 pa, and they would expect proof of that, so "how someone gets paid" is not only the responsibility of the individual but also HMRC who investigate unscrupulous businesses and traders, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 snowie - 2018-12-09 9:21 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-09 8:59 AM Very true.......... as is the assumption by folk like you that all tradesmen are dodgy ;-) ........ You toffs make just as many assumptions as the rest of us “socialists”, and tax dodging isn’t exclusive to any group. Snowie Blimey I'm a toff 8-) ......... I guess the folk in our village thought so to...... as we were the first to pay a quarter of a million in 2004 to live there :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-09 3:55 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:30 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-08 9:30 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 9:04 PM snowie - 2018-12-08 8:42 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 7:16 I dont want them having large sums of cash hanging about their home and absolutely no other reason ... What it has to do with HMRC I just dont know B-) How thoughtful. As a consumer, of postage stamps, free range eggs, flatscreen TVs or roofing services I don’t have to account for my expenditure, or how I pay for stuff. But as soon as it turns into income, it’s different. That’s up to you, or any other business that submits accounts. That’s what it’s got to do with HMRC Snowie I've been self employed for many years and done reasonably well out of it ... I certainly don't need schooling on what I need to submit to HMRC ... Yet you "didn't know" what it had to do with HMRC.....unless you were feigning that ignorance? :-| How I get paid has nothing to do with HMRC. Only if earning less than £11,850 pa, and they would expect proof of that, so "how someone gets paid" is not only the responsibility of the individual but also HMRC who investigate unscrupulous businesses and traders, Well done youve managed to Wiki some info ... Concentrate on your Bully Boy thread hypocrite then you may pull back enough credibility to have an answer on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-09 12:21 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:36 AM Barryd999 - 2018-12-09 4:08 AM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 5:18 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 2:34 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 2:12 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 1:48 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 12:20 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-08 9:53 AM Recent survey shows similar. https://i.postimg.cc/6QZvNzDw/screenshot-47.png https://www.bestforbritain.org/map There is a huge amount of Bregret in Brexit heartlands which are generally places where people dont have a pot to pish in. A lot of protest votes, just go against Cameron on whatever he says, voting for anything other than what they currently have but the last thing these people really want is to make themselves even poorer which is exactly what any kind of Brexit will do for them. Perhaps some are waking up to the reality of their decision and the fact that once again they were lied to. Youve been concerned about the poor becoming poorer since when Barry Since always. Ive always supported the poor and charities that support them. I certainly dont want to see the regions I grew up in and worked in for years turn into wastelands despite the fact that many there voted Brexit. Thought you went off to the big smoke and made ya fortune in that London , deserting the poor and needy in your local area and spending your money in the bars and top end restaurants there and not at the desperate local businesses and folk you now care so much about ??? ... Your a bit like one a them luvvies type actors who run off to the States for fame and fortune never to return yet claim an undying love for where they dumped ... Interesting-A-Mondo Ah I see. So in order to support the poor you have to be one. I never spent my money in the bars and top end restaurants of London, I spent someone elses Money in the bars and top end restaurants in London. (lol) In some respects thats cool as I was pishing the corporate tax avoiders stash against some wall in Soho. Ive always paid my taxes, supported charities that help the homeless and less well off. I still occasionally pop into Darlo to throw a few out of date biscuits and stuff at the plebs. What more do you want? Youve gone all Hollywood Bullet style ... Ive not said you have to be poor like you claim unless you can show different ... Is a "corporate tax avoider" someone who breaks the law when paying tax or pays the legal amount owed ??? ... I bet if you were truthful you've either taken a cash payment or paid cash to someone to make it cheaper , you'll prolly deny it and I wont believe you if you do and that my friend will make you worse than the legal "corporate tax avoiders" ... Ive worked for all types who've paid me cash fully in the knowledge that if they did doing so made it cheaper for obvious reasons ... Coppers , teachers , tax office worker once , a school unbelievably etc etc Ive never paid cash for anything in business, I'm VAT registered and have to produce an invoice for everything as so are pretty much all of my clients. Most of what I do is business to business but as you know Im semi retired now so its very much small scale. Tax avoidance by small businesses is not in the same league as what the corporates or Jacob Reek Smugs sweaty little clients are hoping to get away with from swerving new EU directives on EU wide new tax laws, hence one of the reasons he and so many of the slimy little toads are so desperate to get out as quickly as possible. Rubbish , tax avoidance is tax avoidance whatever amount is involved and corporate tax avoidance which 99% of the time is legal is different to paying cash for items or receiving cash for work and not declaring it ... If you had two fuel garages in your village selling exactly the same fuel and one said if you paid cash he'd knock the VAT off which would you use and most of the members on here use ??? Exactly Who are the new EU tax avoidance directives aimed at and going to affect? People like me or big hitters like Smuggys clients? We dont have a garage in our village but if we did and it was breaking the law it would be my duty to report them to the inland revenue. B-) I dont give a fudge about EU tax avoidance directives ... As for breaking the law in not paying VAT on fuel as set out in my scenario I dont believe you for a minute or anyone else on here who would say they'd report it ... I know it , you know it and all the other wet wipes know it ... Your a hypocrite ... Again !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-12-09 6:42 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-09 3:55 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:30 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-08 9:30 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 9:04 PM snowie - 2018-12-08 8:42 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 7:16 I dont want them having large sums of cash hanging about their home and absolutely no other reason ... What it has to do with HMRC I just dont know B-) How thoughtful. As a consumer, of postage stamps, free range eggs, flatscreen TVs or roofing services I don’t have to account for my expenditure, or how I pay for stuff. But as soon as it turns into income, it’s different. That’s up to you, or any other business that submits accounts. That’s what it’s got to do with HMRC Snowie I've been self employed for many years and done reasonably well out of it ... I certainly don't need schooling on what I need to submit to HMRC ... Yet you "didn't know" what it had to do with HMRC.....unless you were feigning that ignorance? :-| How I get paid has nothing to do with HMRC. Only if earning less than £11,850 pa, and they would expect proof of that, so "how someone gets paid" is not only the responsibility of the individual but also HMRC who investigate unscrupulous businesses and traders, Well done youve managed to Wiki some info ... Making it everything "to do" with HMRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-09 8:03 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-09 6:42 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-09 3:55 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-09 7:30 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-08 9:30 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 9:04 PM snowie - 2018-12-08 8:42 PM antony1969 - 2018-12-08 7:16 I dont want them having large sums of cash hanging about their home and absolutely no other reason ... What it has to do with HMRC I just dont know B-) How thoughtful. As a consumer, of postage stamps, free range eggs, flatscreen TVs or roofing services I don’t have to account for my expenditure, or how I pay for stuff. But as soon as it turns into income, it’s different. That’s up to you, or any other business that submits accounts. That’s what it’s got to do with HMRC Snowie I've been self employed for many years and done reasonably well out of it ... I certainly don't need schooling on what I need to submit to HMRC ... Yet you "didn't know" what it had to do with HMRC.....unless you were feigning that ignorance? :-| How I get paid has nothing to do with HMRC. Only if earning less than £11,850 pa, and they would expect proof of that, so "how someone gets paid" is not only the responsibility of the individual but also HMRC who investigate unscrupulous businesses and traders, Well done youve managed to Wiki some info ... Making it everything "to do" with HMRC. Princess where are you going to with this one ... Please show me where how I get paid as long as its legal and declared has anything to do with HMRC and remember Ive been talking about my own personal circumstances ... I fear you may end up looking silly if you want to carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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