Bulletguy Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-16 9:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-16 12:04 AM Yet over the past two and half years it's cost UK billions more than what we would have paid EU...... Still spreading that myth Bullet *-) ........... £500m a week is no myth unlike your £350m a week NHS lie which is just one claim you're going to be held to account over. I think a start will be to seize all assets of Brexiters and put them to use labouring on the fruit 'n veg farms. Diversity training will do 'em all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-15 10:42 PM.....................As the world is entering recession led by Germany >:-) ......... It makes sense to trim unnecessary overheads like the money we give to the EU ;-) ........... Odd, then, that the US economists seem to think it is their trade war with China, ain't it? It doesn't, because that money is seed corn that will yield greater growth in the future. Putting in an investment and then writing it off before the returns come isn't sense, and nor is leaving a trading block through which we gain tariff free access to the market with which we do about half our trade, and favourable access to a number of major markets beyond that. That is, IMO, the height of stupidity and will plunge the UK into a far deeper recession. We have been there before, for similarly doctrinaire (though quite different) reasons. I quote Wiki: "As with most of the rest of the developed world, recession hit the United Kingdom at the beginning of the 1980s. That followed a string of crises that had plagued the British economy for most of the 1970s. Consequently, unemployment had gradually increased since the mid-1960s. When the Conservative Party, led by Margaret Thatcher won the general election of May 1979, and swept James Callaghan's Labour Party from power, the country had just witnessed the Winter of Discontent in which numerous public sector workers had staged strikes. Inflation was about 10% and some 1.5 million people were unemployed, compared to some 1 million in 1974, 580,000 in 1970 and just over 300,000 in 1964. Thatcher set about controlling inflation with monetarist policies and changing trade union legislation in an attempt to reduce the strikes of public-sector workers. Thatcher's battle against inflation raised the exchange rate, resulting in the closure of many factories, shipyards and coal pits because imports were cheaper. Inflation fell below 10% by the turn of 1982, having peaked at 22% in 1980, and by spring 1983, it had fallen to a 15-year low of 4%. Strikes were also at their lowest level since the early 1950s, and wage growth rose to 3.8% by 1983. However, unemployment reached 3 million, or 12.5% of the workforce, by January 1982, a level that had not seen for some 50 years. The unemployment rate would remain similarly high for a number of years afterwards. Northern Ireland was the hardest-hit region, with unemployment standing at nearly 20%. The rate exceeded 15% in much of Scotland and Northern England. By April 1983, Britain, once known globally as the "workshop of the world" became a net importer of goods for the first time in modern times[dubious – discuss]. Areas of Tyneside, Yorkshire, Merseyside, South Wales, Western Scotland and the West Midlands were particularly hard hit by the loss of industry and subsequent sharp rise in unemployment. Only in the Southeast England did unemployment remain below 10%. Despite the economic recovery that followed the early 1980s recession, unemployment in the United Kingdom barely fell until the second half of the decade. As late as 1986, unemployment exceeded 3 million, but it fell below that figure the following year. By the end of 1989, it had fallen to 1.6 million." In 1990 John Major became Prime Minister. Moral? When facing a world recession it is better not to do things that damage your own economy. Not hard, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-01-16 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-15 10:42 PM.....................As the world is entering recession led by Germany >:-) ......... It makes sense to trim unnecessary overheads like the money we give to the EU ;-) ........... Odd, then, that the US economists seem to think it is their trade war with China, ain't it? It doesn't, because that money is seed corn that will yield greater growth in the future. Putting in an investment and then writing it off before the returns come isn't sense, and nor is leaving a trading block through which we gain tariff free access to the market with which we do about half our trade, and favourable access to a number of major markets beyond that. That is, IMO, the height of stupidity and will plunge the UK into a far deeper recession. We have been there before, for similarly doctrinaire (though quite different) reasons. I quote Wiki: "As with most of the rest of the developed world, recession hit the United Kingdom at the beginning of the 1980s. That followed a string of crises that had plagued the British economy for most of the 1970s. Consequently, unemployment had gradually increased since the mid-1960s. When the Conservative Party, led by Margaret Thatcher won the general election of May 1979, and swept James Callaghan's Labour Party from power, the country had just witnessed the Winter of Discontent in which numerous public sector workers had staged strikes. Inflation was about 10% and some 1.5 million people were unemployed, compared to some 1 million in 1974, 580,000 in 1970 and just over 300,000 in 1964. Thatcher set about controlling inflation with monetarist policies and changing trade union legislation in an attempt to reduce the strikes of public-sector workers. Thatcher's battle against inflation raised the exchange rate, resulting in the closure of many factories, shipyards and coal pits because imports were cheaper. Inflation fell below 10% by the turn of 1982, having peaked at 22% in 1980, and by spring 1983, it had fallen to a 15-year low of 4%. Strikes were also at their lowest level since the early 1950s, and wage growth rose to 3.8% by 1983. However, unemployment reached 3 million, or 12.5% of the workforce, by January 1982, a level that had not seen for some 50 years. The unemployment rate would remain similarly high for a number of years afterwards. Northern Ireland was the hardest-hit region, with unemployment standing at nearly 20%. The rate exceeded 15% in much of Scotland and Northern England. By April 1983, Britain, once known globally as the "workshop of the world" became a net importer of goods for the first time in modern times[dubious – discuss]. Areas of Tyneside, Yorkshire, Merseyside, South Wales, Western Scotland and the West Midlands were particularly hard hit by the loss of industry and subsequent sharp rise in unemployment. Only in the Southeast England did unemployment remain below 10%. Despite the economic recovery that followed the early 1980s recession, unemployment in the United Kingdom barely fell until the second half of the decade. As late as 1986, unemployment exceeded 3 million, but it fell below that figure the following year. By the end of 1989, it had fallen to 1.6 million." In 1990 John Major became Prime Minister. Moral? When facing a world recession it is better not to do things that damage your own economy. Not hard, is it? It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Our exports to the EU have dropped continually since 2006 *-) .......... The figure for 44% of UK trade being with the EU was cited a lot during the EU Referendum - it's actually a 2015 figure just for exports of goods and services. The 2016 figure was 43%, worth about £241bn, and it has indeed fallen from about 54% in 2006. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43212899 It's time to broaden our outlook and our markets B-) ........and a drop in the pound to dollar will be of benefit to our exporters ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-18 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Our exports to the EU have dropped continually since 2006 *-) .......... The figure for 44% of UK trade being with the EU was cited a lot during the EU Referendum - it's actually a 2015 figure just for exports of goods and services. The 2016 figure was 43%, worth about £241bn, and it has indeed fallen from about 54% in 2006. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43212899 It's time to broaden our outlook and our markets B-) ........and a drop in the pound to dollar will be of benefit to our exporters ;-) .......... Hmm. So no list then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 10:45 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Our exports to the EU have dropped continually since 2006 *-) .......... The figure for 44% of UK trade being with the EU was cited a lot during the EU Referendum - it's actually a 2015 figure just for exports of goods and services. The 2016 figure was 43%, worth about £241bn, and it has indeed fallen from about 54% in 2006. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43212899 It's time to broaden our outlook and our markets B-) ........and a drop in the pound to dollar will be of benefit to our exporters ;-) .......... Hmm. So no list then. Seeing as their economy is starting to tank.......I expect Germany will be at the top of the list if we leave with No Deal >:-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:49 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 10:45 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Our exports to the EU have dropped continually since 2006 *-) .......... The figure for 44% of UK trade being with the EU was cited a lot during the EU Referendum - it's actually a 2015 figure just for exports of goods and services. The 2016 figure was 43%, worth about £241bn, and it has indeed fallen from about 54% in 2006. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43212899 It's time to broaden our outlook and our markets B-) ........and a drop in the pound to dollar will be of benefit to our exporters ;-) .......... Hmm. So no list then. Seeing as their economy is starting to tank.......I expect Germany will be at the top of the list if we leave with No Deal >:-) ............ WTF? 8-) That will be doing a deal with the EU then. Just so you know, we already have one, a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-19 1:28 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:49 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 10:45 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-18 10:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-18 8:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-01-17 10:51 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-17 3:17 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-16 10:49 PM...................... It's curious then that we have achieved the best employment figures since the 70's.......... AFTER we voted for Brexit B-) ...................... I seem to recall the prediction coming from George Osborne was that we'd lose 820,000 jobs within 2 years of the vote (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Moral?..........Don't believe the Remoaner doom & gloom merchants *-) ......... Those were the forecast outcomes of Brexit, not just of the vote. If you want to prove the forecasts wrong, wait for two years after Brexit - if you dare! :-D The employment figures reflect four things. First, the percentage of people of working age currently in employment. Second, the number of people who need to work to maintain their families. Third, the increased size of the population over the same period. Fourth, the number of available jobs. If the forecasts are right - even approximately - the most visible effect will be a reduction in the number of available job vacancies, followed shortly by a rise in unemployment. If business contracts, as seems pretty much inevitable post Brexit (but what form of Brexit?), who will employ all those people? It ain't that difficult, is it? That was the forecasts of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if we voted for Brexit Brian ;-) .......... We were also told there would be an immediate punishment budget *-) .......... The only one that got punished was Osborne for spouting total b*llocks (lol) .......... You're ducking the issues, Dave. First, there was a reaction to the vote. Sterling lost value. Second, the actual form of Brexit remains unclear, but a number of firms are now relocating elsewhere, or have put their future investment plans on hold. Those based in the UK to gain access to the EU will be unlikely to remain in the UK in the longer term. Jobs are going, and will continue to do so unless it is clear that tariff free access to the EU market is maintained. The problem with having your head in the sand, is that it leaves your nether end very exposed! :-D First..........Yep sterling dropped to levels last seen in 2010 *-) ......... Second.....There's nothing unclear about a No Deal :D ....... The problem with having your head stuck up the EU's backside, is you cant see the rest of the world that WANTS to trade with us >:-) ........... Your forgetting that it dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar Dave not everything revolves around the Euro exchange rate and how much more your Spanish plonk costs. The rest of the world wants to trade with us? Really? If you can produce a list that comes remotely close to the trade deals we have already with the EU and the rest of the world as being part of the EU by lunchtime ill promise to vote leave in the up and coming referendum. Our exports to the EU have dropped continually since 2006 *-) .......... The figure for 44% of UK trade being with the EU was cited a lot during the EU Referendum - it's actually a 2015 figure just for exports of goods and services. The 2016 figure was 43%, worth about £241bn, and it has indeed fallen from about 54% in 2006. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43212899 It's time to broaden our outlook and our markets B-) ........and a drop in the pound to dollar will be of benefit to our exporters ;-) .......... Hmm. So no list then. Seeing as their economy is starting to tank.......I expect Germany will be at the top of the list if we leave with No Deal >:-) ............ WTF? 8-) That will be doing a deal with the EU then. Just so you know, we already have one, a very good one. Our current deal costs us billions........Would you pay someone to buy your goods or services? >:-) ......... If so...........How much will you pay me to take one of those dodgy laptops off you? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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