antony1969 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 This is a picture doing the rounds that is supposedly that sweet little innocent girl ... ... I dont know wether it is or not but given how she's spoken to the press about beheadings and the Manchester bombings she certainly wouldnt have any issue in doing whatever that girl is doing or going to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Farage has left UKIP and is now a member of the EU "Brexit Party" along with many other ex UKIP MEP's B-) ......... UKIP has served its purpose ;-) ........ Time for a new party to take us through the war of attrition that is yet to start >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book People vote for a party not an MP *-) ........... If that were the case every seat would have a choice of potential Tory, Labour and Liberal MP's all with their own manifesto's :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-24 8:41 AM People vote for a party not an MP *-) ........... If that were the case every seat would have a choice of potential Tory, Labour and Liberal MP's all with their own manifesto's :D .......... So why didn't Nigel stand down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Well the look on their faces when they announced they were leaving looked pretty genuine to me. They clearly feel that their parties have shifted in the wrong direction and its a fairly significant step to take and wont have been taken lightly. May is allowing the ERG to move the Tories further to the right and as a result is risking our security and economy and Corbyn is just not following what was agreed at their conference and is a massive bell end. He just hasnt provided any decent opposition. Anyway there is no precedent for them to call a bi election and as I said it wouldnt exactly be helpful right now anyway so there is feck all you can do about it. I hope there will be many more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 8:50 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-24 8:41 AM People vote for a party not an MP *-) ........... If that were the case every seat would have a choice of potential Tory, Labour and Liberal MP's all with their own manifesto's :D .......... So why didn't Nigel stand down? He has ;-) ...........He's now a member of the BREXIT PARTY B-) ........... https://www.thebrexitparty.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 8:59 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Well the look on their faces when they announced they were leaving looked pretty genuine to me. They clearly feel that their parties have shifted in the wrong direction and its a fairly significant step to take and wont have been taken lightly. May is allowing the ERG to move the Tories further to the right and as a result is risking our security and economy and Corbyn is just not following what was agreed at their conference and is a massive bell end. He just hasnt provided any decent opposition. Anyway there is no precedent for them to call a bi election and as I said it wouldnt exactly be helpful right now anyway so there is feck all you can do about it. I hope there will be many more to come. "The look on their faces" ... Christ ... That's alright then you can tell that politicians who are renowned for lying were pretty genuine just by looking at their faces ... You write some cr@p and that sits right at the top of the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-24 9:01 AM Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 8:50 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-24 8:41 AM People vote for a party not an MP *-) ........... If that were the case every seat would have a choice of potential Tory, Labour and Liberal MP's all with their own manifesto's :D .......... So why didn't Nigel stand down? He has ;-) ...........He's now a member of the BREXIT PARTY B-) ........... https://www.thebrexitparty.org/ Yes and the MPs who walked across the floor are now members of the Independent Group. Like Nige and his brexs**t party, the electorate didn't vote for those parties - they voted Labour, Conservative and UKIP and are no longer represented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-24 9:01 AM Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 8:50 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-24 8:41 AM People vote for a party not an MP *-) ........... If that were the case every seat would have a choice of potential Tory, Labour and Liberal MP's all with their own manifesto's :D .......... So why didn't Nigel stand down? He has ;-) ...........He's now a member of the BREXIT PARTY B-) ........... https://www.thebrexitparty.org/ But still an MEP even though he was elected representing a different party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-24 9:35 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 8:59 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Well the look on their faces when they announced they were leaving looked pretty genuine to me. They clearly feel that their parties have shifted in the wrong direction and its a fairly significant step to take and wont have been taken lightly. May is allowing the ERG to move the Tories further to the right and as a result is risking our security and economy and Corbyn is just not following what was agreed at their conference and is a massive bell end. He just hasnt provided any decent opposition. Anyway there is no precedent for them to call a bi election and as I said it wouldnt exactly be helpful right now anyway so there is feck all you can do about it. I hope there will be many more to come. "The look on their faces" ... Christ ... That's alright then you can tell that politicians who are renowned for lying were pretty genuine just by looking at their faces ... You write some cr@p and that sits right at the top of the list Some of them had spent decades in their parties. It was not a decision they took lightly and it showed. These are real patriots. People that are willing to risk their careers and to split from their parties where presumably they once really believed in them. That took guts. Both parties are putting themselves and their parties before country and finally we have a small group of people who are prepared to call them out on that and step and speak out. Good for them I say! Vive la Revolution!!!! Im in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 9:53 AM Some of them had spent decades in their parties. It was not a decision they took lightly and it showed. These are real patriots. People that are willing to risk their careers and to split from their parties where presumably they once really believed in them. That took guts. Both parties are putting themselves and their parties before country and finally we have a small group of people who are prepared to call them out on that and step and speak out. Good for them I say! Vive la Revolution!!!! Im in. They are from two different groups: Labour: the party of social justice, workers rights, the NHS, Social Security, trade unions, human rights and cooperation. Conservatives: the party of big business and small government, of privatisation, free market economics, austerity and Individualism. How could MPs from two such different parties find common political ground? All of them voted for:- the Iraq war and against an inquiry, for the bedroom tax, for tuition fees, for PIPs, for austerity cuts etc etc It should be. This group are the same old centre ground neoliberals who have been making it harder for the many for decades. They have left because their career paths have been interrupted by moves to the left and right in the two main parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 11:54 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 9:53 AM Some of them had spent decades in their parties. It was not a decision they took lightly and it showed. These are real patriots. People that are willing to risk their careers and to split from their parties where presumably they once really believed in them. That took guts. Both parties are putting themselves and their parties before country and finally we have a small group of people who are prepared to call them out on that and step and speak out. Good for them I say! Vive la Revolution!!!! Im in. They are from two different groups: Labour: the party of social justice, workers rights, the NHS, Social Security, trade unions, human rights and cooperation. Conservatives: the party of big business and small government, of privatisation, free market economics, austerity and Individualism. How could MPs from two such different parties find common political ground? All of them voted for:- the Iraq war and against an inquiry, for the bedroom tax, for tuition fees, for PIPs, for austerity cuts etc etc It should be. This group are the same old centre ground neoliberals who have been making it harder for the many for decades. They have left because their career paths have been interrupted by moves to the left and right in the two main parties. Well it felt like a breath of fresh air to me. Corbyn is a Brexiteer and practically a communist, his stance on Brexit has been pitiful and Labour have been a crap opposition to a party that is going ever more far right by the day. One I wouldnt trust with the economy and certainly not security and the other is just morphing into UKIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 12:10 PM Well it felt like a breath of fresh air to me. Corbyn is a Brexiteer and practically a communist, his stance on Brexit has been pitiful and Labour have been a crap opposition to a party that is going ever more far right by the day. One I wouldnt trust with the economy and certainly not security and the other is just morphing into UKIP. I am concerned about his stance on Brexit but I think the party will get its way and a further vote on May's deal or remain. But it's a myth he is a communist, he wants a public provided NHS (not insurance based), he wants nationalised water and other utilities, he wants to end child poverty and food banks. In any normal society this would put him at slightly left, but because our narrative is provided by the six tax exiles that run the media and want to continue importing the american model he is attacked as a communist etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 9:53 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 9:35 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 8:59 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Well the look on their faces when they announced they were leaving looked pretty genuine to me. They clearly feel that their parties have shifted in the wrong direction and its a fairly significant step to take and wont have been taken lightly. May is allowing the ERG to move the Tories further to the right and as a result is risking our security and economy and Corbyn is just not following what was agreed at their conference and is a massive bell end. He just hasnt provided any decent opposition. Anyway there is no precedent for them to call a bi election and as I said it wouldnt exactly be helpful right now anyway so there is feck all you can do about it. I hope there will be many more to come. "The look on their faces" ... Christ ... That's alright then you can tell that politicians who are renowned for lying were pretty genuine just by looking at their faces ... You write some cr@p and that sits right at the top of the list Some of them had spent decades in their parties. It was not a decision they took lightly and it showed. These are real patriots. People that are willing to risk their careers and to split from their parties where presumably they once really believed in them. That took guts. Both parties are putting themselves and their parties before country and finally we have a small group of people who are prepared to call them out on that and step and speak out. Good for them I say! Vive la Revolution!!!! Im in. Guts for Labour MPs to walk away from a raving racist , anti-Semitic leader ??? ... I'd say that was just decency Barry and as for Soubry and the others they were guna be out on their backsides anyway after deserting those who voted for them ... Nothing to do with putting country first tosh ... Some revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 12:33 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 12:10 PM Well it felt like a breath of fresh air to me. Corbyn is a Brexiteer and practically a communist, his stance on Brexit has been pitiful and Labour have been a crap opposition to a party that is going ever more far right by the day. One I wouldnt trust with the economy and certainly not security and the other is just morphing into UKIP. I am concerned about his stance on Brexit but I think the party will get its way and a further vote on May's deal or remain. But it's a myth he is a communist, he wants a public provided NHS (not insurance based), he wants nationalised water and other utilities, he wants to end child poverty and food banks. In any normal society this would put him at slightly left, but because our narrative is provided by the six tax exiles that run the media and want to continue importing the american model he is attacked as a communist etc. Und hes a raving jew hating terrorist supporting communist ... You forgot to say that ... Here to help anti-Semite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 May has Just announced that there will be no meaningful vote this week, it will be on the 12th March. Giving British business 17 days to prepare for No Deal Brexit - yet Allen, Soubry and the Labour splitters refuse to vote No Confidence in her as they know they will lose at any new general election. Yes those principles are really strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 9:53 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 9:35 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 8:59 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-24 7:37 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 10:09 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 5:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 5:37 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-23 4:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-23 11:37 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-22 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-22 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2019-02-22 6:43 AM Absolutely ... ... Trouble is they are like most remoaners ... Gutless hypocrites Its the Tory and Labour party that have shifted not the TIG members and by your logic why did Farage not resign as an MEP when he quit UKIP? Well seeing as he was elected on a ticket to get the UK out of the EU how is he a hypocrite? >:-) .......... Well you and Antony are arguing that if you leave the party you got elected on you should hold an election as you no longer support the party you were elected as a member of. Whatever Farages views he was elected as a UKIP representative so in your and Antonys view his seat should have been up for grabs. Your right he should ... So we can agree that the remoaners who've been whinging for ever about taking it back to the people for a peoples vote should do with their own seat ... Be hypocrites to not allow a peoples vote on their seats would it not Eh? The ruddy remoaners like Soubry who have been crying about a ruddy peoples vote ... Give those in her constituency a peoples vote to decide if shes fit for service or not Well they argue that its their parties that have shifted not them and anyway you vote for the person not the party, it says their name on the ballet box. These people are still the elected representatives of their constituencies. They still have a legal, and moral, mandate to represent. If their constituents are not happy with them as their representative they can vote them out at the next election. I believe Churchill did this more than once. Holding 12 bi elections right now would be bonkers anyway. Why have their parties changed since the last general election and more importantly why and what policies have changed that all of those MPs fought on ??? ... If your correct and folk vote for person not party then these MPs will with decent majorities will easily get voted back in wont they ??? ... After all they've done nothing wrong in your book Well the look on their faces when they announced they were leaving looked pretty genuine to me. They clearly feel that their parties have shifted in the wrong direction and its a fairly significant step to take and wont have been taken lightly. May is allowing the ERG to move the Tories further to the right and as a result is risking our security and economy and Corbyn is just not following what was agreed at their conference and is a massive bell end. He just hasnt provided any decent opposition. Anyway there is no precedent for them to call a bi election and as I said it wouldnt exactly be helpful right now anyway so there is feck all you can do about it. I hope there will be many more to come. "The look on their faces" ... Christ ... That's alright then you can tell that politicians who are renowned for lying were pretty genuine just by looking at their faces ... You write some cr@p and that sits right at the top of the list Some of them had spent decades in their parties. It was not a decision they took lightly and it showed. These are real patriots. People that are willing to risk their careers and to split from their parties where presumably they once really believed in them. That took guts. Both parties are putting themselves and their parties before country and finally we have a small group of people who are prepared to call them out on that and step and speak out. Good for them I say! Vive la Revolution!!!! Im in. Well if one of them does switch parties if this independent group form a party I wonder if she'll stand by something she proposed not that long ago ... ... Somehow doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-24 2:24 PM Well if one of them does switch parties if this independent group form a party I wonder if she'll stand by something she proposed not that long ago ... ... Somehow doubt it Finally something we can agree on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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