Brian Kirby Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-27 8:21 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-02-27 8:03 PM Corbyn is for 5 years max, Brexit is forever. I'd hold my nose and take that risk. I've had to hold mine for 40+ years Brian ;-) .......... You get used to it after a while :D ...... Dave, Corbyn hasn't been PM once yet, so I don't know why you've been holding you nose for that long. Is it possibly causing oxygen starvation - when the brain begins to hallucinate? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-27 8:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-27 8:21 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-02-27 8:03 PM Corbyn is for 5 years max, Brexit is forever. I'd hold my nose and take that risk. I've had to hold mine for 40+ years Brian ;-) .......... You get used to it after a while :D ...... Dave, Corbyn hasn't been PM once yet, so I don't know why you've been holding you nose for that long. Is it possibly causing oxygen starvation - when the brain begins to hallucinate? :-D Keep up Brian ;-) ........I was referring to the EU :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Brian K. Brexit is for ever.? So says your ever seeing crystal ball. What if we re-applied after 5 years. Do you think they wouldn't welcome us and our financial contribution ? Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 thebishbus - 2019-02-28 9:33 AM Brian K. Brexit is for ever.? So says your ever seeing crystal ball. What if we re-applied after 5 years. Do you think they wouldn't welcome us and our financial contribution ? Brian B Oh they would, but it wouldn't be on the same favorable financial terms nor would we be entitled to as many MEP's as we now have - so our voice at a European level would be weakened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-28 9:45 AM thebishbus - 2019-02-28 9:33 AM Brian K. Brexit is for ever.? So says your ever seeing crystal ball. What if we re-applied after 5 years. Do you think they wouldn't welcome us and our financial contribution ? Brian B Oh they would, but it wouldn't be on the same favorable financial terms nor would we be entitled to as many MEP's as we now have - so our voice at a European level would be weakened. Hahaha.......like the EU ever listens to what the UK has to say *-) ........... They only understand one language......German >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-28 10:14 AM Hahaha.......like the EU ever listens to what the UK has to say *-) ........... They only understand one language......German >:-) .......... I can only guess that your pathological hatred of all things German is down to a run in with a dodgy German sausage during your navy days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-28 10:18 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-28 10:14 AM Hahaha.......like the EU ever listens to what the UK has to say *-) ........... They only understand one language......German >:-) .......... I can only guess that your pathological hatred of all things German is down to a run in with a dodgy German sausage during your navy days? There you go again using the hate word *-) ............ Just because I object to a EU run by Germany.......it doesn't mean I hate German sausage :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. This LSE blog is a few years old now and the data even older but it does show the UK to be the best connected of all the member states with more member states indicating that they choose to work with the UK than for any other country. Overall, the data suggests that the UK is at the heart of EU policy-making alongside larger states such as Germany and France. In terms of connections and and cooperation cited by other member states the UK comes out top! https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/16/uk-influence-in-europe-series-is-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/ In recent years of course we have not helped ourselves by sending idiotic MEPs from UKIP who's primary role is to simply cause disruption. Farage for example is happy to turn up to deliver Brexiteer rousing speeches and to take the piss but could never be arsed to turn up at a single Fisheries meeting, an industry he apparently went out to bat for in the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I think Italy is about to create more disruption to the EU than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-28 11:26 AM The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. This LSE blog is a few years old now and the data even older but it does show the UK to be the best connected of all the member states with more member states indicating that they choose to work with the UK than for any other country. Overall, the data suggests that the UK is at the heart of EU policy-making alongside larger states such as Germany and France. In terms of connections and and cooperation cited by other member states the UK comes out top! https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/16/uk-influence-in-europe-series-is-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/ In recent years of course we have not helped ourselves by sending idiotic MEPs from UKIP who's primary role is to simply cause disruption. Farage for example is happy to turn up to deliver Brexiteer rousing speeches and to take the piss but could never be arsed to turn up at a single Fisheries meeting, an industry he apparently went out to bat for in the referendum. Sadly we no longer have a Thatcher :-( ..........We have Theresa the Appeaser *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-01 7:58 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-28 11:26 AM The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. This LSE blog is a few years old now and the data even older but it does show the UK to be the best connected of all the member states with more member states indicating that they choose to work with the UK than for any other country. Overall, the data suggests that the UK is at the heart of EU policy-making alongside larger states such as Germany and France. In terms of connections and and cooperation cited by other member states the UK comes out top! https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/16/uk-influence-in-europe-series-is-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/ In recent years of course we have not helped ourselves by sending idiotic MEPs from UKIP who's primary role is to simply cause disruption. Farage for example is happy to turn up to deliver Brexiteer rousing speeches and to take the piss but could never be arsed to turn up at a single Fisheries meeting, an industry he apparently went out to bat for in the referendum. Sadly we no longer have a Thatcher :-( ..........We have Theresa the Appeaser *-) ........ Wasnt that long ago you were calling her "The Sainted Theresa". *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-01 8:23 AM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 7:58 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-28 11:26 AM The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. This LSE blog is a few years old now and the data even older but it does show the UK to be the best connected of all the member states with more member states indicating that they choose to work with the UK than for any other country. Overall, the data suggests that the UK is at the heart of EU policy-making alongside larger states such as Germany and France. In terms of connections and and cooperation cited by other member states the UK comes out top! https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/16/uk-influence-in-europe-series-is-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/ In recent years of course we have not helped ourselves by sending idiotic MEPs from UKIP who's primary role is to simply cause disruption. Farage for example is happy to turn up to deliver Brexiteer rousing speeches and to take the piss but could never be arsed to turn up at a single Fisheries meeting, an industry he apparently went out to bat for in the referendum. Sadly we no longer have a Thatcher :-( ..........We have Theresa the Appeaser *-) ........ Wasnt that long ago you were calling her "The Sainted Theresa". *-) If she gets us out of the EU then I'll call her that again :D ............ Seeing as the alternative is "Corbyn the Communist" *-) ........... Even Remoaner May is preferable to him 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-28 9:45 AM thebishbus - 2019-02-28 9:33 AM Brian K. Brexit is for ever.? So says your ever seeing crystal ball. What if we re-applied after 5 years. Do you think they wouldn't welcome us and our financial contribution ? Brian B Oh they would, but it wouldn't be on the same favorable financial terms nor would we be entitled to as many MEP's as we now have - so our voice at a European level would be weakened. Quite. No opt out from the Euro: no rebate: no opt out from Schengen, just for a start. With that as the starting price for re-entering, plus the time it would take in negotiation to satisfy the EU that if we re-joined we would, actually, act as a full member - instead of a part time member who only used the EU as a fig leaf to cover regulations that our governments have supported behind closed (EU) doors, but are so unpopular with half of either of our major parties that they fear for their majorities - how would it conceivably be in our interests to leave, and then re-join poorer but wiser after five years on worse terms than we currently have? At least my "ever seeing crystal ball", unlike yours, is sufficiently clear that it doesn't see arrant pap of that sort. Oh yes, they'll be on their knees begging us to come back, at any price! Do you really think they are all complete fools and only UK politicians are gifted with foresight and intelligence in equal measure - even after the complete, humiliating, farce they've made of leaving? Really? What would be our special offer to them that would induce them to accept back such a bunch of half-hearted, part-time, back-stabbers? Ye Gods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-28 11:26 AM The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. …………………….. Spot on Barry! Arthur (Lord) Cockfield was delegated by Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) to the EU in 1984 as Commissioner for Internal Market and Services, to assist them in making the customs union (established under the Treaty of Rome in 1957) function so as to remove all the protectionist non-tariff barriers that had since crept in to European trading. His package of was recommendations was eventually adopted by the EEC through the Single European Act. Until that time the EEC (AKA the Common Market) was a Common Market in name only. All those who endlessly bleat that they voted to join a Common market please note the following: they did not vote to "join" anything. Heath (Conservative) took us into the EEC in 1973. The referendum in 1975 under Wilson (Labour) was to decide whether we stayed in, or left. We voted 67 - 33 to remain. We first applied to join the EEC in 1961, under Macmillan (Conservative), vetoed by De Gaulle in 1963. We next applied to join in 1967 under Wilson (Labour), again vetoed by De Gaulle. So, both Conservative (twice) and Labour governments had been in favour of joining. But, we wanted the advantages of free trade areas with our neighbours and in 1957/8 tried to negotiate our way into a free trade agreement with the EEC, which failed. So, instead, we launched into the negotiations that formed EFTA in 1960, with Austria, Denmark, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, and Switzerland, as the other members. The main difference between EFTA and the EEC was the absence of a customs union in EFTA. Of the original members Austria, Denmark, Sweden, and the UK all subsequently left to join the EEC, after which EFTA faded in significance as a trading block. (The only countries to join EFTA since its formation are Finland (joined 1986, left 1995 when it joined the EEC), Liechtenstein, and Iceland.). Since 1973 the UK has been intimately involved in the various changes that have taken place as the EEC evolved into the EU. This included the 2004 enlargement when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia, plus two Mediterranean countries, Malta and Cyprus, all joined. This was in part as a result of pressure from the US, who wanted the ex Eastern Bloc countries grounded in Europe. The UK had also been in favour of this enlargement, and opened it doors to movement of labour from those countries, while the majority of the other members imposed time limited restrictions. One aspect of UK favouring the Eastern enlargement was the Eurosceptic's speculations that embracing the new entrants would a) cause terminal economic strains on the EU and b) that allowing the new members free access to the UK jobs market would create a backlash that would bury the then Labour government politically. Ultimately, both hopes were frustrated, with the backlash to the influx eventually translating into Brexit, with Britain leaving instead of the EU collapsing under the strain. So, here we are. Now voting to leave what for years we had fought to join, for reasons largely unrelated to membership, and much more related to Conservative - Labour jousting and dissembling. Perverse world, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Maggie will be turning in her grave seeing all that good work undone and for what? To swap the so called controlling EU for a deal with Trump? He wont be controlling at all will he? *-) As for getting back into the EU well once Trump has finished with us and signed us up to a deal which will include a bonfire of regulations in order for him to rape the UK from everything from Agriculture to Pharmaceuticals and ultimately our NHS I reckon we will have signed up to something that will be even harder to get out of than leaving the EU and will have slipped so far down the slope and out of alignment with Europe we may never get back in. Doesnt sound like taking back control to me it sounds quite the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-01 5:45 PM Maggie will be turning in her grave seeing all that good work undone and for what? To swap the so called controlling EU for a deal with Trump? He wont be controlling at all will he? *-) As for getting back into the EU well once Trump has finished with us and signed us up to a deal which will include a bonfire of regulations in order for him to rape the UK from everything from Agriculture to Pharmaceuticals and ultimately our NHS I reckon we will have signed up to something that will be even harder to get out of than leaving the EU and will have slipped so far down the slope and out of alignment with Europe we may never get back in. Doesnt sound like taking back control to me it sounds quite the opposite. What a desperate old sado you have become ....... Even Antony and I know that Trump wont last more than another election :D ....... Anno domini will see to that ;-) ............... Just like the rest of us 8-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-01 1:21 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-28 11:26 AM The EU doesn't listen to what the UK says? Hmm. Who was it that aggressively pushed for and was key in creating and implementing the Single Market? Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher. It was also the UK that pushed for further globalisation and expansion of EU trade deals across the world. …………………….. Spot on Barry! Arthur (Lord) Cockfield was delegated by Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) to the EU in 1984 as Commissioner for Internal Market and Services, to assist them in making the customs union (established under the Treaty of Rome in 1957) function so as to remove all the protectionist non-tariff barriers that had since crept in to European trading. His package of was recommendations was eventually adopted by the EEC through the Single European Act. Until that time the EEC (AKA the Common Market) was a Common Market in name only. All those who endlessly bleat that they voted to join a Common market please note the following: they did not vote to "join" anything. Heath (Conservative) took us into the EEC in 1973. The referendum in 1975 under Wilson (Labour) was to decide whether we stayed in, or left. We voted 67 - 33 to remain. We first applied to join the EEC in 1961, under Macmillan (Conservative), vetoed by De Gaulle in 1963. We next applied to join in 1967 under Wilson (Labour), again vetoed by De Gaulle. So, both Conservative (twice) and Labour governments had been in favour of joining. But, we wanted the advantages of free trade areas with our neighbours and in 1957/8 tried to negotiate our way into a free trade agreement with the EEC, which failed. So, instead, we launched into the negotiations that formed EFTA in 1960, with Austria, Denmark, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, and Switzerland, as the other members. The main difference between EFTA and the EEC was the absence of a customs union in EFTA. Of the original members Austria, Denmark, Sweden, and the UK all subsequently left to join the EEC, after which EFTA faded in significance as a trading block. (The only countries to join EFTA since its formation are Finland (joined 1986, left 1995 when it joined the EEC), Liechtenstein, and Iceland.). Since 1973 the UK has been intimately involved in the various changes that have taken place as the EEC evolved into the EU. This included the 2004 enlargement when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia, plus two Mediterranean countries, Malta and Cyprus, all joined. This was in part as a result of pressure from the US, who wanted the ex Eastern Bloc countries grounded in Europe. The UK had also been in favour of this enlargement, and opened it doors to movement of labour from those countries, while the majority of the other members imposed time limited restrictions. One aspect of UK favouring the Eastern enlargement was the Eurosceptic's speculations that embracing the new entrants would a) cause terminal economic strains on the EU and b) that allowing the new members free access to the UK jobs market would create a backlash that would bury the then Labour government politically. Ultimately, both hopes were frustrated, with the backlash to the influx eventually translating into Brexit, with Britain leaving instead of the EU collapsing under the strain. So, here we are. Now voting to leave what for years we had fought to join, for reasons largely unrelated to membership, and much more related to Conservative - Labour jousting and dissembling. Perverse world, isn't it? Thanks for the history lesson Brian *-) ........ Which is basically a lesson in not getting what you wished for :D ...... Is it not time for you Remoaners not to wake up to the fact.......Britain is not part of Europe....... We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM .....Britain is not part of Europe....... We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... Which continent does your " gut feeling " tell you we are part of ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 malc d - 2019-03-01 9:01 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM .....Britain is not part of Europe....... We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... Which continent does your " gut feeling " tell you we are part of ? :-| You're asking the bloke who for the past 40 odd years had been under the illusion he'd been "in Russia" when moored up at Ukraine port so don't expect him to know where Britain is!! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 malc d - 2019-03-01 9:01 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM .....Britain is not part of Europe....... We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... Which continent does your " gut feeling " tell you we are part of ? :-| If I was a Remoaner ;-) .......... It would be incontinent (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM ...........................… 1 Thanks for the history lesson Brian *-) ........ 2 Which is basically a lesson in not getting what you wished for :D ...... 3 Is it not time for you Remoaners not to wake up to the fact.......Britain is not part of Europe....... 4 We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... 1 My pleasure. It's useful to get a few facts, isn't it? :-D 2 Which was my point. 3 It is not joined (though it is on the same tectonic plate) but it is inextricably linked. Where does its majority population and its culture come from? 4 Well, you're on the right track - though the date is about 10,000 years, not millions of years, ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-02 12:40 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM ...........................… 1 Thanks for the history lesson Brian *-) ........ 2 Which is basically a lesson in not getting what you wished for :D ...... 3 Is it not time for you Remoaners not to wake up to the fact.......Britain is not part of Europe....... 4 We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... 1 My pleasure. It's useful to get a few facts, isn't it? :-D 2 Which was my point. 3 It is not joined (though it is on the same tectonic plate) but it is inextricably linked. Where does its majority population and its culture come from? 4 Well, you're on the right track - though the date is about 10,000 years, not millions of years, ago. 4.......Actually the UK has been around quite a bit ;-) .......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Great_Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-03 7:59 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-02 12:40 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM ...........................… 1 Thanks for the history lesson Brian *-) ........ 2 Which is basically a lesson in not getting what you wished for :D ...... 3 Is it not time for you Remoaners not to wake up to the fact.......Britain is not part of Europe....... 4 We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... 1 My pleasure. It's useful to get a few facts, isn't it? :-D 2 Which was my point. 3 It is not joined (though it is on the same tectonic plate) but it is inextricably linked. Where does its majority population and its culture come from? 4 Well, you're on the right track - though the date is about 10,000 years, not millions of years, ago. 4.......Actually the UK has been around quite a bit ;-) .......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Great_Britain Yes Dave, we know that. I'll re-quote your point 4 above (complete with triumphant emoji! :-)), for clarity. "We broke away several million years ago >:-)" Which bit of "broke away" did you misunderstand when posting? The pretty geological survey map of Great Britain shows what broke away, not when. So, if you scroll down your linked Wiki article ("didn't read that bit, did I? warning! :-D) to the bit titled "Events", and then click the link to "Storegga Slides", you will find the following: "The three Storegga Slides are considered to be amongst the largest known landslides. They occurred under water, at the edge of Norway's continental shelf in the Norwegian Sea, approximately 6225–6170 BCE." So say 6,000 BC + 2,000AD = 8,000. Give a bit for the effects of rising sea levels after the ice age, and you have my 10,000 years ago, but not by any stretch of the imagination, your "several million"! If you then scroll down to the bit titled "Impact on human populations", you will find this )my bold for emphasis): "At, or shortly before, the time of the last Storegga Slide, a land bridge known to archaeologists and geologists as "Doggerland" existed, linking the area of Great Britain, Denmark and the Netherlands across what is now the southern North Sea. This area is believed to have included a coastline of lagoons, marshes, mudflats, and beaches, and to have been a rich hunting, fowling and fishing ground populated by Mesolithic human cultures. Although Doggerland was permanently submerged through a gradual rise in sea level, it has been suggested that coastal areas of both Britain and mainland Europe, extending over areas which are now submerged, would have been temporarily inundated by a tsunami triggered by the Storegga Slide. This event would have had a catastrophic impact on the contemporary Mesolithic population. So there you have it - 'though it is not recorded whether the last Doregga Slide was the result of a referendum among the Norwegians! Might have been - but there again………. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I think you'll find that Dave has a good knowledge of Doggerland ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-03 11:41 AM pelmetman - 2019-03-03 7:59 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-02 12:40 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-01 8:45 PM ...........................… 1 Thanks for the history lesson Brian *-) ........ 2 Which is basically a lesson in not getting what you wished for :D ...... 3 Is it not time for you Remoaners not to wake up to the fact.......Britain is not part of Europe....... 4 We broke away several million years ago >:-) ........... 1 My pleasure. It's useful to get a few facts, isn't it? :-D 2 Which was my point. 3 It is not joined (though it is on the same tectonic plate) but it is inextricably linked. Where does its majority population and its culture come from? 4 Well, you're on the right track - though the date is about 10,000 years, not millions of years, ago. 4.......Actually the UK has been around quite a bit ;-) .......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Great_Britain Yes Dave, we know that. I'll re-quote your point 4 above (complete with triumphant emoji! :-)), for clarity. "We broke away several million years ago >:-)" Which bit of "broke away" did you misunderstand when posting? The pretty geological survey map of Great Britain shows what broke away, not when. So, if you scroll down your linked Wiki article ("didn't read that bit, did I? warning! :-D) to the bit titled "Events", and then click the link to "Storegga Slides", you will find the following: "The three Storegga Slides are considered to be amongst the largest known landslides. They occurred under water, at the edge of Norway's continental shelf in the Norwegian Sea, approximately 6225–6170 BCE." So say 6,000 BC + 2,000AD = 8,000. Give a bit for the effects of rising sea levels after the ice age, and you have my 10,000 years ago, but not by any stretch of the imagination, your "several million"! If you then scroll down to the bit titled "Impact on human populations", you will find this )my bold for emphasis): "At, or shortly before, the time of the last Storegga Slide, a land bridge known to archaeologists and geologists as "Doggerland" existed, linking the area of Great Britain, Denmark and the Netherlands across what is now the southern North Sea. This area is believed to have included a coastline of lagoons, marshes, mudflats, and beaches, and to have been a rich hunting, fowling and fishing ground populated by Mesolithic human cultures. Although Doggerland was permanently submerged through a gradual rise in sea level, it has been suggested that coastal areas of both Britain and mainland Europe, extending over areas which are now submerged, would have been temporarily inundated by a tsunami triggered by the Storegga Slide. This event would have had a catastrophic impact on the contemporary Mesolithic population. So there you have it - 'though it is not recorded whether the last Doregga Slide was the result of a referendum among the Norwegians! Might have been - but there again………. :-D The point is Brian ;-) ........... Despite all your Remoaners Doom&Gloom..........Brexit wont even register as a wet fart :D ........ In the anal history of the human race >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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