Brian Kirby Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 malc d - 2019-04-25 10:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-04-25 9:57 AM malc d - 2019-04-25 9:33 AM That's always been the way our kind of two party " democracy " works. We swing too far left for a few years - then too far right for a few years - and ' moderate ' voting is almost completely ignored. That way - in theory - no-one is too badly affected for too long. :-( Rumour has it that the 2 party system is dead ;-) ........... I guess if Farage follows through with his threat that the Brexit party will contest the next General Election B-) ......... It's demise will be a certainty :D ......... Absolutely. Or he could end up with as many MPs as his old party ( UKIP ) did at the last election. ;-) I agree with Malc. It is inevitable that a first past the post electoral system leads to a two party system. So, all one gets is a see-saw of left - right governments introducing policies that suit their political ideas, that eventually either fail, or get cancelled by the opposite side. We waste huge sums of money, and vast amounts of time, lurching first one way and then the other while watching most of our neighbours creating coalitions that (mostly) result in far more consistent long term policy objectives. Each side flatters itself that only it has the "right" policies, and that anything put forward by the opposition must be the spawn of the devil. What a conceit to believe that one group of like minded adherents of party group-think has a monopoly on being right, and that anyone who thinks differently must automatically be wrong. Life is far more complex than party politics can envisage, so they airbrush out the inconvenient array of greys and try to present any issue, no matter how complex, as a simple black / white decision. What we need is not Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid, DUP or whatever, policies, but just policies that will work - in the best interests of the average man and woman in the street. Kick out the political doctrine, and concentrate on making the economy work for the many who, actually, generate the wealth that the few then pocket. That cannot come about while one party adopts laissez faire policies that favour the already wealthy at the expense of the majority, while the other party adopts policies designed to take the wealth away from the wealthy and distribute it to the majority it without regard to whether the recipients have, actually, earned it. Both are unfair to the majority in equal proportion. It cannot change until an electoral system that more closely reflects people's opinions is adopted. Will it be? Only, IMO, if it is forced on a reluctant two party mindset. Would it be perfect? Of course not but, after we had adjusted to the idea of constructive coalition in the true interests of the majority of people, it would be better and far less wasteful than what we have now. We might even then be able to develop some rational and coherent national policies - instead of trying to turn every issue that surfaces into a left - right jousting contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-25 5:32 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-25 5:18 PM You're actually deceiving yourself by burying your head in the sand rather than addressing issues clearly made in both links. What Prof Alston appropriately termed "a state of denial" in reference to ministers who think extreme poverty caused by punitive government measures simply doesn't exist in UK. That denial is how you prefer to remain. Also any fool can play at blame shifting games.......it's just the same wash, rinse, repeat cycle which achieves nothing. I'm not deceiving my self at all *-) ...... In your opinion. Others can very clearly see it as you burying your head in the sand which you constantly do when faced with awkward truths. You're in a permanent state of denial. You've just reverted to recycling bullsh*t (lol) ...... I've not 'recycled' anything at all.....just shown your inability to address the linked points put to you in any logical manner. You can't come up with anything better than "bullsh*t" because it's confounded you. I challenge that loony lefty bullsh*t state of denial >:-) ........ You've challenged nothing....just succeeded in making yourself look extremely stupid which isn't very difficult. I know personally how easy it is to claim benefits...... Of course you do.......you boasted about abusing the state system when, in your own words you, "never really needed any benefits". You're disgusting. I also know a family who have bred 13 kids as a "nice earner" because of the "System" *-) ........ Name them. So take a day off from defending bullsh*t for once Bullet *-) ...... The amount of bullsh*t you come out with on here even a muck spreader wouldn't be able to cope with......you're full of the damn stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-25 8:33 PM Name them. Why?........What would that prove? :-S ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-04-25 7:19 PM What a conceit to believe that one group of like minded adherents of party group-think has a monopoly on being right, and that anyone who thinks differently must automatically be wrong. Did you type that with a straight Remoaner face Brian? 8-) ......... (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-26 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-25 8:33 PM Name them. Why?........What would that prove? :-S ........ That you were making it up as you usually do with the sole purpose of using it in a derogatory manner against those who genuinely are in need. You could have quoted the Radford family with 21 children.....but that wouldn't have suited your narrative because Mr Radford has always worked and their family appears very decent and stable. https://news.sky.com/story/britains-largest-family-to-welcome-21st-child-11389163 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-26 12:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-26 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-25 8:33 PM Name them. Why?........What would that prove? :-S ........ That you were making it up as you usually do with the sole purpose of using it in a derogatory manner against those who genuinely are in need. You could have quoted the Radford family with 21 children.....but that wouldn't have suited your narrative because Mr Radford has always worked and their family appears very decent and stable. https://news.sky.com/story/britains-largest-family-to-welcome-21st-child-11389163 If you must know the family is the brother and SIL of one our best friends, who could not be more different ;-) ...........ie she's run her own business for 40 years and sensibly never had any kids :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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