Guest pelmetman Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-09 2:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 8:36 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 10:08 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 8:59 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 6:26 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 3:28 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-07 4:08 PM McVey does it again. This time after tweeting an article she wrote in the Brexpress, "We Tories are the natural party of working classes." So delusional and detached from reality it's ever likely she's unwelcome in Liverpool and her Tatton constituency inhabited by premier league footballers, WAGS, tv soap stars and tax avoidance folk which is obviously her idea of 'working class'. *-) https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/esther-mcvey-sparks-outrage-claiming-16233471 Isn’t it the “working class” (whoever they are?). Paying for and supporting the WAGS, football stars, tv soap stars etc? Simple answer is if the Tories were as McVey claims, "the natural party of working classes" then they would have given bigger tax breaks to basic rate payers....not those on the higher rate. Well basic tax rate was raised, duty on fuel and spirits frozen all good for the “working classes”(whoever they are). The tax breaks were six times more to those on higher rate tax than basic payers who got a 'break' of just £130 pa so it doesn't take much to figure out who came better off from Hammonds budget further increasing the chasm between rich and poor. As for fuel duty, how many higher rate tax payers know the pump price let alone pay for it from their own pocket? Many don't even own the car they drive so it simply doesn't affect them at all. Not quite ,went up from £11850 to £12500 as for the rest they still benefit. If your so dead against “the higher paid” then the “working class “(whoever they are) perhaps need to stop supporting the football stars with their ridiculous salaries. Hammonds budget gave £130 for basic-rate taxpayers, and £860 for higher-rate taxpayers so six and a half times the amount to be precise. Premier league footballer salaries aren't really a good example as it's like comparing The Rolling Stones with salaries of session musicians and saying folk should stop buying or listening to music on radio stations paying royalties each time any music is played! I'm not 'against the higher paid' at all. I have family among them two of whom believe in exactly the same principles as i do which is they could easily afford to pay more (without even noticing it) and didn't need a tax break. Sorry but whichever way you look at it the undeniable fact is Tory policy has always been to look after the better off at the expense of the less well off creating a division which has become a chasm. For me the way forward is about narrowing that chasm rather than forever widening it. There are a few seriously wealthy people who've recognised this and American billionaire Nick Hanauer is one of them. There are many clips on YT of his public speaking as well as some articles he's written. Google him if interested and you'll see where i'm coming from. Taxing the rich doesn't make the poor better off *-) ........... Giving the wealthy smaller tax breaks would narrow the wealth gap instead of widening the division further still so eventually would make those less well off, better off. If as McVey claims, her party is "the natural party of the working classes", then that's exactly what they would be doing.....but instead they do the absolute opposite at the expense of the less well off. You're also keen to spout about UK's "booming economy", yet unable to explain why we have child poverty at an all time record high and 'employed' people forced to use food banks. You do realise that working one hour a week now counts as 'employed' don't you? Nor does giving the poor an excuse to be idle by increasing their benefits :-| ........ Please explain to me how and why someone like 64 year old Stephen Smith (linked) was denied benefits and deemed fit for work. Your total absence of empathy and humanity is staggering. Nothing to do with lack of empathy *-) .......... You're trying to blame the Tories for the incompetence of a government employee :-| ......... I notice you have nothing to say about the experiment in Finland?........Why's that? >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-09 2:56 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-09 2:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 8:36 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 10:08 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 8:59 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 6:26 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 3:28 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-07 4:08 PM McVey does it again. This time after tweeting an article she wrote in the Brexpress, "We Tories are the natural party of working classes." So delusional and detached from reality it's ever likely she's unwelcome in Liverpool and her Tatton constituency inhabited by premier league footballers, WAGS, tv soap stars and tax avoidance folk which is obviously her idea of 'working class'. *-) https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/esther-mcvey-sparks-outrage-claiming-16233471 Isn’t it the “working class” (whoever they are?). Paying for and supporting the WAGS, football stars, tv soap stars etc? Simple answer is if the Tories were as McVey claims, "the natural party of working classes" then they would have given bigger tax breaks to basic rate payers....not those on the higher rate. Well basic tax rate was raised, duty on fuel and spirits frozen all good for the “working classes”(whoever they are). The tax breaks were six times more to those on higher rate tax than basic payers who got a 'break' of just £130 pa so it doesn't take much to figure out who came better off from Hammonds budget further increasing the chasm between rich and poor. As for fuel duty, how many higher rate tax payers know the pump price let alone pay for it from their own pocket? Many don't even own the car they drive so it simply doesn't affect them at all. Not quite ,went up from £11850 to £12500 as for the rest they still benefit. If your so dead against “the higher paid” then the “working class “(whoever they are) perhaps need to stop supporting the football stars with their ridiculous salaries. Hammonds budget gave £130 for basic-rate taxpayers, and £860 for higher-rate taxpayers so six and a half times the amount to be precise. Premier league footballer salaries aren't really a good example as it's like comparing The Rolling Stones with salaries of session musicians and saying folk should stop buying or listening to music on radio stations paying royalties each time any music is played! I'm not 'against the higher paid' at all. I have family among them two of whom believe in exactly the same principles as i do which is they could easily afford to pay more (without even noticing it) and didn't need a tax break. Sorry but whichever way you look at it the undeniable fact is Tory policy has always been to look after the better off at the expense of the less well off creating a division which has become a chasm. For me the way forward is about narrowing that chasm rather than forever widening it. There are a few seriously wealthy people who've recognised this and American billionaire Nick Hanauer is one of them. There are many clips on YT of his public speaking as well as some articles he's written. Google him if interested and you'll see where i'm coming from. Taxing the rich doesn't make the poor better off *-) ........... Giving the wealthy smaller tax breaks would narrow the wealth gap instead of widening the division further still so eventually would make those less well off, better off. If as McVey claims, her party is "the natural party of the working classes", then that's exactly what they would be doing.....but instead they do the absolute opposite at the expense of the less well off. You're also keen to spout about UK's "booming economy", yet unable to explain why we have child poverty at an all time record high and 'employed' people forced to use food banks. You do realise that working one hour a week now counts as 'employed' don't you? Nor does giving the poor an excuse to be idle by increasing their benefits :-| ........ Please explain to me how and why someone like 64 year old Stephen Smith (linked) was denied benefits and deemed fit for work. Your total absence of empathy and humanity is staggering. Nothing to do with lack of empathy *-) .......... In your case it certainly is. You're trying to blame the Tories for the incompetence of a government employee :-| ......... Blame shifting to throw an office worker under the bus is about as low as anyone could get but typical of the attitude i'd expect from you. Government set the criteria regards tax and benefits.....nobody else. The relevant authorities are then charged with implementing it. I notice you have nothing to say about the experiment in Finland?........Why's that? >:-) ....... You've yet to explain why, if as you claim, we have such a "booming economy", we have child poverty at an all time record high and 'employed' people forced to use food banks many of whom work. You totally ignored addressing those points despite the links being there which you've undoubtedly also ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 And here is another "success": https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-wrongly-stripped-pension-dwp-15020141?fbclid=IwAR1hq0pvqjXr-v1dFUJN1YQ-vld65r57-VCNTbpJHlASjTU4vpOzF4JeUQo I suppose it's easy to cut the benefits bill if you kill off the old and vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-09 3:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 2:56 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-09 2:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 8:36 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 10:08 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 8:59 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 6:26 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 6:00 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-08 3:28 PM jumpstart - 2019-05-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-07 4:08 PM McVey does it again. This time after tweeting an article she wrote in the Brexpress, "We Tories are the natural party of working classes." So delusional and detached from reality it's ever likely she's unwelcome in Liverpool and her Tatton constituency inhabited by premier league footballers, WAGS, tv soap stars and tax avoidance folk which is obviously her idea of 'working class'. *-) https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/esther-mcvey-sparks-outrage-claiming-16233471 Isn’t it the “working class” (whoever they are?). Paying for and supporting the WAGS, football stars, tv soap stars etc? Simple answer is if the Tories were as McVey claims, "the natural party of working classes" then they would have given bigger tax breaks to basic rate payers....not those on the higher rate. Well basic tax rate was raised, duty on fuel and spirits frozen all good for the “working classes”(whoever they are). The tax breaks were six times more to those on higher rate tax than basic payers who got a 'break' of just £130 pa so it doesn't take much to figure out who came better off from Hammonds budget further increasing the chasm between rich and poor. As for fuel duty, how many higher rate tax payers know the pump price let alone pay for it from their own pocket? Many don't even own the car they drive so it simply doesn't affect them at all. Not quite ,went up from £11850 to £12500 as for the rest they still benefit. If your so dead against “the higher paid” then the “working class “(whoever they are) perhaps need to stop supporting the football stars with their ridiculous salaries. Hammonds budget gave £130 for basic-rate taxpayers, and £860 for higher-rate taxpayers so six and a half times the amount to be precise. Premier league footballer salaries aren't really a good example as it's like comparing The Rolling Stones with salaries of session musicians and saying folk should stop buying or listening to music on radio stations paying royalties each time any music is played! I'm not 'against the higher paid' at all. I have family among them two of whom believe in exactly the same principles as i do which is they could easily afford to pay more (without even noticing it) and didn't need a tax break. Sorry but whichever way you look at it the undeniable fact is Tory policy has always been to look after the better off at the expense of the less well off creating a division which has become a chasm. For me the way forward is about narrowing that chasm rather than forever widening it. There are a few seriously wealthy people who've recognised this and American billionaire Nick Hanauer is one of them. There are many clips on YT of his public speaking as well as some articles he's written. Google him if interested and you'll see where i'm coming from. Taxing the rich doesn't make the poor better off *-) ........... Giving the wealthy smaller tax breaks would narrow the wealth gap instead of widening the division further still so eventually would make those less well off, better off. If as McVey claims, her party is "the natural party of the working classes", then that's exactly what they would be doing.....but instead they do the absolute opposite at the expense of the less well off. You're also keen to spout about UK's "booming economy", yet unable to explain why we have child poverty at an all time record high and 'employed' people forced to use food banks. You do realise that working one hour a week now counts as 'employed' don't you? Nor does giving the poor an excuse to be idle by increasing their benefits :-| ........ Please explain to me how and why someone like 64 year old Stephen Smith (linked) was denied benefits and deemed fit for work. Your total absence of empathy and humanity is staggering. Nothing to do with lack of empathy *-) .......... In your case it certainly is. You're trying to blame the Tories for the incompetence of a government employee :-| ......... Blame shifting to throw an office worker under the bus is about as low as anyone could get but typical of the attitude i'd expect from you. Government set the criteria regards tax and benefits.....nobody else. The relevant authorities are then charged with implementing it. I notice you have nothing to say about the experiment in Finland?........Why's that? >:-) ....... You've yet to explain why, if as you claim, we have such a "booming economy", we have child poverty at an all time record high and 'employed' people forced to use food banks many of whom work. You totally ignored addressing those points despite the links being there which you've undoubtedly also ignored. I guess it defends on ones definition of child poverty :-| ....... Is it down to lack of money or feckless parents who'd rather spend their benefits of fags and drugs *-) ........ When ever I see them on the tv whinging, they always have huge flat screen telly or a Iphone in their hands 8-) ......... But if you Socialists want to support them with "your" money.......be my guest :D ...... Still nothing to say about the Finnish experiment then Bullet? >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-05-09 4:37 PM And here is another "success": https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-wrongly-stripped-pension-dwp-15020141?fbclid=IwAR1hq0pvqjXr-v1dFUJN1YQ-vld65r57-VCNTbpJHlASjTU4vpOzF4JeUQo I suppose it's easy to cut the benefits bill if you kill off the old and vulnerable. Nope .........It's another administrative cock up........and has NOTHING what so ever to do with government policy *-) ......... But it does show how low you Socialists will go to blame the Tories for literally anything 8-) ......... No doubt government employees never made cock ups when LABOUR were in charge? :-| ........ https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48177767 Was that not a massive COCK UP? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Ive seen food banks in action many times and my partner works where handouts happen everyday . From experience its mainly drunks and druggies and those wanting a freebie . It seems to make some feel better about themselves though when they donate some baked beans , a bit like planting a tree then polluting Europe with your motorhome . Regards . Horrible weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-09 4:50 PM Nope .........It's another administrative cock up........and has NOTHING what so ever to do with government policy *-) ......... Now the government itself admits that sanctions are pointlessly cruel and doesn’t work, So it's clear that it was the policy at fault, not its "administration". The government's policy. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/09/tories-ditch-ineffective-three-year-benefit-sanctions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-09 4:40 PM I guess it defends on ones definition of child poverty :-| ....... All clearly explained in the links but you refuse to read them....and as UN special rapporteur Prof. Philip Alston said in reference to government ministers who, 'prefer to remain in a state of denial', this suits you perfectly as you're among the 'i'm alright jack' brigade. One day your lack of empathy and humanity will come back to bite you hard, harsher the better imo as that's the only way you, and people like you, will ever learn to show some compassion to those less fortunate. Is it down to lack of money or feckless parents who'd rather spend their benefits of fags and drugs *-) ........ When ever I see them on the tv whinging, they always have huge flat screen telly or a Iphone in their hands 8-) ......... Owning a flat screen means nothing as they can be bought very cheap. But typically you're stereotyping as you always do and don't account for the fact many who find themselves thrown out of a job, possibly held down regular employment for many years affording them a decent lifestyle. Perhaps you'd prefer to go back to days of the workhouse and have them punished and enslaved? If there were enough houses with open fires and chimneys i've no doubt you'd be sending children back up there too. Incidentally a smartphone is an essential requirement for all unemployed for job searching, evidence of which they have to show, and communication with the DWP centres, some of whom still continue using premium rate numbers to cruelly generate cash despite government being told to put a stop to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-05-09 5:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 4:50 PM Nope .........It's another administrative cock up........and has NOTHING what so ever to do with government policy *-) ......... Now the government itself admits that sanctions are pointlessly cruel and doesn’t work, So it's clear that it was the policy at fault, not its "administration". The government's policy. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/09/tories-ditch-ineffective-three-year-benefit-sanctions The OAP's pension was stopped because of a administrative Cock Up *-) .......... Not that the facts will ever stop a Socialist from perverting the truth >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-09 6:11 PM One day your lack of empathy and humanity will come back to bite you hard, harsher the better imo as that's the only way you, and people like you, will ever learn to show some compassion to those less fortunate. . Seeing as the majority of my childhood could be described as "living in poverty" ;-) ......... Cant say it was any big deal :-S .........If anything it made me more resilient B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-10 7:58 AM Fast Pat - 2019-05-09 5:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 4:50 PM Nope .........It's another administrative cock up........and has NOTHING what so ever to do with government policy *-) ......... Now the government itself admits that sanctions are pointlessly cruel and doesn’t work, So it's clear that it was the policy at fault, not its "administration". The government's policy. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/09/tories-ditch-ineffective-three-year-benefit-sanctions The OAP's pension was stopped because of a administrative Cock Up *-) .......... Not that the facts will ever stop a Socialist from perverting the truth >:-) ......... I've never heard Amber Rudd described as a socialist before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-05-10 8:10 AM pelmetman - 2019-05-10 7:58 AM Fast Pat - 2019-05-09 5:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-09 4:50 PM Nope .........It's another administrative cock up........and has NOTHING what so ever to do with government policy *-) ......... Now the government itself admits that sanctions are pointlessly cruel and doesn’t work, So it's clear that it was the policy at fault, not its "administration". The government's policy. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/09/tories-ditch-ineffective-three-year-benefit-sanctions The OAP's pension was stopped because of a administrative Cock Up *-) .......... Not that the facts will ever stop a Socialist from perverting the truth >:-) ......... I've never heard Amber Rudd described as a socialist before. She couldn't be ;-) ......... Conservatives are not "that" devious 8-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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