malc d Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-08 9:32 AM pelmetman - 2019-11-08 8:39 AM "BORIS JOHNSON received a major boost on Thursday, as it emerged that Remain voters back his “get Brexit done" stance." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1201665/election-news-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-conservative-party-labour-party-parliament Looks like Barry's right ;-) ............. Remainers are changing their minds >:-) ........ Thats hilarious. Blatantly making up fake polls in some kind of grim hope that remainers will follow suit and vote Tory. Johnson really is a total t0$$er How can you call it a fake poll Barry ? Some bloke called James Johnson, who works for the Tory party, has been wandering around London asking searching questions about the opinions of a few people, ( who HE says were remainers ) and has reported his unbiased results in a Tory newspaper. Why aren't you taking it seriously ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-08 9:32 AM pelmetman - 2019-11-08 8:39 AM "BORIS JOHNSON received a major boost on Thursday, as it emerged that Remain voters back his “get Brexit done" stance." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1201665/election-news-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-conservative-party-labour-party-parliament Looks like Barry's right ;-) ............. Remainers are changing their minds >:-) ........ Thats hilarious. Blatantly making up fake polls in some kind of grim hope that remainers will follow suit and vote Tory. Johnson really is a total t0$$er Isn't that what you LOSERS have been doing since 2016? ;-) ........... After all if you were right Oh No Joe should be leading in the polls? >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-11-08 10:06 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-08 9:32 AM pelmetman - 2019-11-08 8:39 AM "BORIS JOHNSON received a major boost on Thursday, as it emerged that Remain voters back his “get Brexit done" stance." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1201665/election-news-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-conservative-party-labour-party-parliament Looks like Barry's right ;-) ............. Remainers are changing their minds >:-) ........ Thats hilarious. Blatantly making up fake polls in some kind of grim hope that remainers will follow suit and vote Tory. Johnson really is a total t0$$er Isn't that what you LOSERS have been doing since 2016? ;-) ........... After all if you were right Oh No Joe should be leading in the polls? >:-) ........... Well by that rational if you were right that everyone voted for a proper full fat Brexit the Brexit party should be leading the polls should it not? You have sold out though and are backing a buffoon who is not even a true Brexiteer and has simply taken Mays sell out Vassal state deal changed hardly anything and stuck his name on it. Nigel is correct. Its not Brexit but you will back it anyway just because it has the word Brexit written on it. The only parties that are really being honest are the LibDems and the Brexit Party but neither have a hope in hell of winning. This is why we should have had a referendum before an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1202113/Labour-party-general-election-latest-poll-yougov :D ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7666433/Labour-support-collapses-half-2017-handing-Tories-lead.html Is it me?...........Or is the sun shining even brighter here in Spain today B-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-11-09 9:19 AM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7666433/Labour-support-collapses-half-2017-handing-Tories-lead.html Is it me?...........Or is the sun shining even brighter here in Spain today B-) .......... Such confidence given by the CA's https://news.sky.com/story/moodys-downgrades-uks-credit-outlook-after-brexit-paralysis-11857899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-09 10:17 AM pelmetman - 2019-11-09 9:19 AM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7666433/Labour-support-collapses-half-2017-handing-Tories-lead.html Is it me?...........Or is the sun shining even brighter here in Spain today B-) .......... Such confidence given by the CA's https://news.sky.com/story/moodys-downgrades-uks-credit-outlook-after-brexit-paralysis-11857899 You can be sure of one thing ;-) ........... If Corbyn gets in the UK economy will be reduced to Junk Status like Corbyn's Venezuelan Communist mate....... Mad Maduro 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 "New poll shows Tories with a 12-point lead over Labour while calamity Jeremy Corbyn stumbles from crisis to crisis" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7668707/Boris-Johnson-defies-early-election-woes-new-poll-shows-Tories-12-point-lead.html :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/russian-tory-donors-named-in-secret-report-z98nqpkx0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 9:04 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could So on that basis then your "Labour will be in Government before Brexit" your "Tories are finished" your NHS sell off to that nasty POTUS Trump , your chlorinated chicken etc etc are all just things that could happen ??? ... They aren't the definite end game you seem to always tell us will happen then ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 10:01 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 9:04 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could So on that basis then your "Labour will be in Government before Brexit" your "Tories are finished" your NHS sell off to that nasty POTUS Trump , your chlorinated chicken etc etc are all just things that could happen ??? ... They aren't the definite end game you seem to always tell us will happen then ??? They are all strong possibilities yes. I definitely think the Tories are finished one way or another. The only thing that will save them if they do manage to pull off a majority is that Brexit is a massive success. All the other stuff if they get a majority will of course also come true I reckon. How sure of something can you be? These all seem very likely scenarios to me, much more likely many would say than somehow it all ending well for the Tories and Brexit being a success and improving everyones lives. Do you really really believe that if Brexit goes ahead, two, five or ten years from now you and your family will be better off? That the country will be a better place to live, that the economy will have boomed and Mr Trump will have given us a great deal, much better than the one we have now and stacked in our favour? Im not Mystic Meg as you like to call me but I bet Im closer with my predictions than you are with yours which lets face it are based on no evidence whatsoever whilst mine are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again You post this guff just 15 mins after your boyfriend POSTS A POLL.......but that's "ok" eh because he's a Brexiter and Barry isn't. Hilarious!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-11-10 2:28 PM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again You post this guff just 15 mins after your boyfriend POSTS A POLL.......but that's "ok" eh because he's a Brexiter and Barry isn't. Hilarious!! You find that "Hilarious!!!" ??? ... Youve led a sheltered life then princess ... Barrys not a Brexiteer ??? Well I never , the stuff ya learn on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 11:32 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 10:01 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 9:04 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could So on that basis then your "Labour will be in Government before Brexit" your "Tories are finished" your NHS sell off to that nasty POTUS Trump , your chlorinated chicken etc etc are all just things that could happen ??? ... They aren't the definite end game you seem to always tell us will happen then ??? They are all strong possibilities yes. I definitely think the Tories are finished one way or another. The only thing that will save them if they do manage to pull off a majority is that Brexit is a massive success. All the other stuff if they get a majority will of course also come true I reckon. How sure of something can you be? These all seem very likely scenarios to me, much more likely many would say than somehow it all ending well for the Tories and Brexit being a success and improving everyones lives. Do you really really believe that if Brexit goes ahead, two, five or ten years from now you and your family will be better off? That the country will be a better place to live, that the economy will have boomed and Mr Trump will have given us a great deal, much better than the one we have now and stacked in our favour? Im not Mystic Meg as you like to call me but I bet Im closer with my predictions than you are with yours which lets face it are based on no evidence whatsoever whilst mine are. Closer with your predictions ??? You told us umpteen times No-Deal is dead , you told us Labour would be in Government with a monkey in charge before Brexit and I seem to remember some guff about saying the rise of the right was finished but your best one which wasn't really a prediction but a factoid was your claim you'd rather starve than do a deal with POTUS Trump !!! ... Hows that guna pan out princess ??? ... As for me with my predictions I don't really make them because like happens to you a lot you end up looking a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 4:01 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 11:32 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 10:01 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 9:04 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could So on that basis then your "Labour will be in Government before Brexit" your "Tories are finished" your NHS sell off to that nasty POTUS Trump , your chlorinated chicken etc etc are all just things that could happen ??? ... They aren't the definite end game you seem to always tell us will happen then ??? They are all strong possibilities yes. I definitely think the Tories are finished one way or another. The only thing that will save them if they do manage to pull off a majority is that Brexit is a massive success. All the other stuff if they get a majority will of course also come true I reckon. How sure of something can you be? These all seem very likely scenarios to me, much more likely many would say than somehow it all ending well for the Tories and Brexit being a success and improving everyones lives. Do you really really believe that if Brexit goes ahead, two, five or ten years from now you and your family will be better off? That the country will be a better place to live, that the economy will have boomed and Mr Trump will have given us a great deal, much better than the one we have now and stacked in our favour? Im not Mystic Meg as you like to call me but I bet Im closer with my predictions than you are with yours which lets face it are based on no evidence whatsoever whilst mine are. Closer with your predictions ??? You told us umpteen times No-Deal is dead , you told us Labour would be in Government with a monkey in charge before Brexit and I seem to remember some guff about saying the rise of the right was finished but your best one which wasn't really a prediction but a factoid was your claim you'd rather starve than do a deal with POTUS Trump !!! ... Hows that guna pan out princess ??? ... As for me with my predictions I don't really make them because like happens to you a lot you end up looking a tool Well I cant look a tool yet cos none of it has come to fruition yet. I hope I am wrong and I do look a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 5:35 PM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 4:01 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 11:32 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 10:01 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-10 9:04 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-10 8:25 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 11:05 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-09 10:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-11-09 9:53 AM Did you learn nothing from 2017? Posting polls from rags that support your point of view a few days into the campaign proves nothing. I seem to remember you did exactly the same back then when TM had an even bigger lead. From the fella who has posted poll after poll after poll ??? Actually I dont think I have posted a poll for yonks unless you can prove otherwise. I think they are pointless at the moment. Anything could happen. Actually I think your right but you have posted more than your fair share of polls princess and they have always been pointless and lets be fair you stopped putting the poles up because they stopped showing what you want em to show ... "Anything could happen" ??? ... Youve told us what will happen princess over and over and over again Wrong. The only polls I ever put up were generally remain vs leave polls and they consistently showed a swing to remain but not a huge one. Pointless putting them up now. Ive told you what "could" happen and still could So on that basis then your "Labour will be in Government before Brexit" your "Tories are finished" your NHS sell off to that nasty POTUS Trump , your chlorinated chicken etc etc are all just things that could happen ??? ... They aren't the definite end game you seem to always tell us will happen then ??? They are all strong possibilities yes. I definitely think the Tories are finished one way or another. The only thing that will save them if they do manage to pull off a majority is that Brexit is a massive success. All the other stuff if they get a majority will of course also come true I reckon. How sure of something can you be? These all seem very likely scenarios to me, much more likely many would say than somehow it all ending well for the Tories and Brexit being a success and improving everyones lives. Do you really really believe that if Brexit goes ahead, two, five or ten years from now you and your family will be better off? That the country will be a better place to live, that the economy will have boomed and Mr Trump will have given us a great deal, much better than the one we have now and stacked in our favour? Im not Mystic Meg as you like to call me but I bet Im closer with my predictions than you are with yours which lets face it are based on no evidence whatsoever whilst mine are. Closer with your predictions ??? You told us umpteen times No-Deal is dead , you told us Labour would be in Government with a monkey in charge before Brexit and I seem to remember some guff about saying the rise of the right was finished but your best one which wasn't really a prediction but a factoid was your claim you'd rather starve than do a deal with POTUS Trump !!! ... Hows that guna pan out princess ??? ... As for me with my predictions I don't really make them because like happens to you a lot you end up looking a tool Well I cant look a tool yet cos none of it has come to fruition yet. I hope I am wrong and I do look a tool. Trust me ... You look a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 "So. After being promised that we’d be out of the EU by now, we’re not. And after being promised that we were not going to get a general election, that’s now exactly what we are getting. Anyone who has ever spoken to me for longer than ten minutes will know that I’m an avid Remainer. So, ultimately, yes, I’m glad that Brexit didn’t go ahead on October 31st. But I’m much more glad that we’ve been offered the election. I’m so glad. But I am not glad because of Brexit. I’m not glad because of a better deal, or a second referendum - even though I want both of those things. I’m not glad because I’m an unpatriotic remoaner. I’m glad because we now have the chance to oust the Tories. We have a chance to save this country. For the last three years, all we’ve done is argue. We’ve had our little factions and bickered over Brexit whilst our politicians have lied and played games and had meaningless vote after meaningless vote. And whilst we’ve been bickering over Brexit, austerity has tightened its grip. Since the Tories came into power, they’ve cut basically every public service they can get their hands on. They’ve given massive tax breaks to the rich, whilst cutting benefits to the poor and the needy. They’ve hit us with VAT hikes, and stagnated public sector wages, whilst the super rich get richer. It’s costing us more to live, but our incomes are going down. They’ve cut free school meals to needy children. They’ve forced cancer sufferers back to work. They’ve caused an increase in homelessness but, instead of giving them aid, they’ve given them spikes to sleep on. They’ve cut our schools so much that our education system is failing and our kids are struggling. Our police force are so underfunded that they just don’t have the staffing levels to keep up with the crimes being reported. Firemen are having to work second jobs just to keep food on the table. Nurses are using food banks. Our NHS, envy of the world, is being intentionally cut and sold off to make way for private healthcare companies to make money out of our illnesses. Yet we just sit about wittering about Brexit. We keep voting for parties who promise to deliver Brexit, instead of the parties that promise to deliver safety, security, a good quality of life. They point the finger and we look the other way. Brexit isn’t going to be the answer to all our problems because, despite what the media would have you believe, it’s isn’t Europe who has caused the mess in this country. It’s us. We did. By voting for a government that consistently undermines our needs and treats us like nothing. That laughs about there not being a “money tree”, yet hoards vast amounts of money in off-shore bank accounts so they don’t have to pay their taxes. Tell me again why we’ve voted them in. Because we don’t want “extremist” Jeremy Corbyn, right? And why the hell not? Genuinely, we must have spent the last few decades moaning about how everyone in Westminster is cut from the same cloth, and how there is never any real choice yet, when we finally get someone different, we run scared and refuse to vote for him. Since he first made an appearance in the Labour leadership contest, Jeremy Corbyn has been a victim of a horrendous smear campaign and I would urge anyone to fact check anything and everything you read about him. The media hate him with a passion. And that, in a nutshell, is precisely why I’ll be voting for him. He’s a danger to the establishment. And that’s exactly what we need. People have been sucked into this idea that he’s a terrorist-sympathising communist who hates Jews. But he’s not. He’s a man who was instrumental in negotiating peace in Northern Ireland, and even got awarded two international peace prizes for his efforts. He’s a socialist who believes in decent public services and wants to renationalise our railways and NHS and repair our education system. He doesn’t believe that people should be billionaires when others are starving to death. He isn’t anti-Semitic, he’s against some of Israel’s policies - and he’s not wrong. He’s spent his entire political career fighting for the rights of groups that he isn’t even a part of; women, disabled people, ethnic minorities. He’s pro-animal rights and is an advocate of green environmental policies. His policy regarding Brexit is to negotiate a sensible deal and let us vote on it - far removed from Boris Johnson’s gung ho “lets just drop out and hope for the best” attitude. But he’s “unelectable”? How is a man like that deemed “unelectable”? Because the media tell us he is. The media moguls who would be forced to pay more tax under a labour government, seek to scapegoat him and make you vote for the Tories. Tories, who benefit them, not you. The media isn’t unbiased. The media is owned by people with an agenda. And those people aren’t your friends. They don’t care about you. They care about money and profit margins. Jeremy Corbyn is a danger to those profit margins, so they tell you he’s a danger to you. He’s not. The real danger isn’t the man with an allotment, who rides a bike and who wants an end to poverty. The real danger are the people who will leave thousands in poverty to protect their billions. We’ve been given a chance to change the course of this country, and we need to take it. The NHS cannot survive another 5 years of Tory cuts. It can’t. It’s either going to collapse, or be sold off. We’re going to lose everything. And for what? To line another fat cat’s pocket? Wake up. Please wake up. This isn’t about Europe, or immigrants, or Brexit. This is about a greedy, selfish government using public funds to line their own pockets. Please don’t let them. No more cuts. No more deaths. No more apathy. For goodness sake, wake up. For once in our lifetime we have someone with policies worth voting for, and we’re running the other way. The Tories are pulling this country apart at the seams and we’re just letting them. Now we have a chance to change that. If you care about this country. If you care about other people. Our children, our elderly, our social workers and our teachers. If you care about universal healthcare. If you care about the rights and safety of others. If you care about our animals and don’t support badger culling or fox hunting. If you care about anything other than money. Please don’t vote Tory. Vote Labour. Or Lib Dems or Green on SNP if you need to, but not Tory. I’m voting Labour. I’m voting Labour because they have the best chance of beating the Conservatives. And I’m voting Labour because I stand with Jeremy Corbyn. Not because I’m an extremist or a hippie or a snowflake, but because I want a better future for everyone, not just for myself. And I think a Labour government has the best chance of doing that. I think they’d be hard pressed to do much worse than what we’ve had this past decade. So my plea to everyone who wants a better future is this. Vote. If, like me, you are a moderate misfit who wants better than this, then put your X on your ballot paper and make a stand. No excuses about being powerless. You want change, then you vote for it. On our own we won’t make much of a difference, but together we can make waves. Moderate, decent people too often spend their lives being quiet. But we’ve been quiet too long and we’ve let this happen. We can’t let it happen anymore. December 12th. Vote. Vote for what is right. Vote for change. Vote Labour. Don’t give the Tories another term to take more of what is ours. Don’t do what the media tells you. Don’t be the turkey that votes for Christmas. December 12th. Vote. Get the Tories out. Our lives are not currency. Our futures will not be gambled. Keep your hands off our NHS!" 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Guest pelmetman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-11 6:35 AM "So. After being promised that we’d be out of the EU by now, we’re not. And after being promised that we were not going to get a general election, that’s now exactly what we are getting. Anyone who has ever spoken to me for longer than ten minutes will know that I’m an avid Remainer. So, ultimately, yes, I’m glad that Brexit didn’t go ahead on October 31st. But I’m much more glad that we’ve been offered the election. I’m so glad. But I am not glad because of Brexit. I’m not glad because of a better deal, or a second referendum - even though I want both of those things. I’m not glad because I’m an unpatriotic remoaner. I’m glad because we now have the chance to oust the Tories. We have a chance to save this country. For the last three years, all we’ve done is argue. We’ve had our little factions and bickered over Brexit whilst our politicians have lied and played games and had meaningless vote after meaningless vote. And whilst we’ve been bickering over Brexit, austerity has tightened its grip. Since the Tories came into power, they’ve cut basically every public service they can get their hands on. They’ve given massive tax breaks to the rich, whilst cutting benefits to the poor and the needy. They’ve hit us with VAT hikes, and stagnated public sector wages, whilst the super rich get richer. It’s costing us more to live, but our incomes are going down. They’ve cut free school meals to needy children. They’ve forced cancer sufferers back to work. They’ve caused an increase in homelessness but, instead of giving them aid, they’ve given them spikes to sleep on. They’ve cut our schools so much that our education system is failing and our kids are struggling. Our police force are so underfunded that they just don’t have the staffing levels to keep up with the crimes being reported. Firemen are having to work second jobs just to keep food on the table. Nurses are using food banks. Our NHS, envy of the world, is being intentionally cut and sold off to make way for private healthcare companies to make money out of our illnesses. Yet we just sit about wittering about Brexit. We keep voting for parties who promise to deliver Brexit, instead of the parties that promise to deliver safety, security, a good quality of life. They point the finger and we look the other way. Brexit isn’t going to be the answer to all our problems because, despite what the media would have you believe, it’s isn’t Europe who has caused the mess in this country. It’s us. We did. By voting for a government that consistently undermines our needs and treats us like nothing. That laughs about there not being a “money tree”, yet hoards vast amounts of money in off-shore bank accounts so they don’t have to pay their taxes. Tell me again why we’ve voted them in. Because we don’t want “extremist” Jeremy Corbyn, right? And why the hell not? Genuinely, we must have spent the last few decades moaning about how everyone in Westminster is cut from the same cloth, and how there is never any real choice yet, when we finally get someone different, we run scared and refuse to vote for him. Since he first made an appearance in the Labour leadership contest, Jeremy Corbyn has been a victim of a horrendous smear campaign and I would urge anyone to fact check anything and everything you read about him. The media hate him with a passion. And that, in a nutshell, is precisely why I’ll be voting for him. He’s a danger to the establishment. And that’s exactly what we need. People have been sucked into this idea that he’s a terrorist-sympathising communist who hates Jews. But he’s not. He’s a man who was instrumental in negotiating peace in Northern Ireland, and even got awarded two international peace prizes for his efforts. He’s a socialist who believes in decent public services and wants to renationalise our railways and NHS and repair our education system. He doesn’t believe that people should be billionaires when others are starving to death. He isn’t anti-Semitic, he’s against some of Israel’s policies - and he’s not wrong. He’s spent his entire political career fighting for the rights of groups that he isn’t even a part of; women, disabled people, ethnic minorities. He’s pro-animal rights and is an advocate of green environmental policies. His policy regarding Brexit is to negotiate a sensible deal and let us vote on it - far removed from Boris Johnson’s gung ho “lets just drop out and hope for the best” attitude. But he’s “unelectable”? How is a man like that deemed “unelectable”? Because the media tell us he is. The media moguls who would be forced to pay more tax under a labour government, seek to scapegoat him and make you vote for the Tories. Tories, who benefit them, not you. The media isn’t unbiased. The media is owned by people with an agenda. And those people aren’t your friends. They don’t care about you. They care about money and profit margins. Jeremy Corbyn is a danger to those profit margins, so they tell you he’s a danger to you. He’s not. The real danger isn’t the man with an allotment, who rides a bike and who wants an end to poverty. The real danger are the people who will leave thousands in poverty to protect their billions. We’ve been given a chance to change the course of this country, and we need to take it. The NHS cannot survive another 5 years of Tory cuts. It can’t. It’s either going to collapse, or be sold off. We’re going to lose everything. And for what? To line another fat cat’s pocket? Wake up. Please wake up. This isn’t about Europe, or immigrants, or Brexit. This is about a greedy, selfish government using public funds to line their own pockets. Please don’t let them. No more cuts. No more deaths. No more apathy. For goodness sake, wake up. For once in our lifetime we have someone with policies worth voting for, and we’re running the other way. The Tories are pulling this country apart at the seams and we’re just letting them. Now we have a chance to change that. If you care about this country. If you care about other people. Our children, our elderly, our social workers and our teachers. If you care about universal healthcare. If you care about the rights and safety of others. If you care about our animals and don’t support badger culling or fox hunting. If you care about anything other than money. Please don’t vote Tory. Vote Labour. Or Lib Dems or Green on SNP if you need to, but not Tory. I’m voting Labour. I’m voting Labour because they have the best chance of beating the Conservatives. And I’m voting Labour because I stand with Jeremy Corbyn. Not because I’m an extremist or a hippie or a snowflake, but because I want a better future for everyone, not just for myself. And I think a Labour government has the best chance of doing that. I think they’d be hard pressed to do much worse than what we’ve had this past decade. So my plea to everyone who wants a better future is this. Vote. If, like me, you are a moderate misfit who wants better than this, then put your X on your ballot paper and make a stand. No excuses about being powerless. You want change, then you vote for it. On our own we won’t make much of a difference, but together we can make waves. Moderate, decent people too often spend their lives being quiet. But we’ve been quiet too long and we’ve let this happen. We can’t let it happen anymore. December 12th. Vote. Vote for what is right. Vote for change. Vote Labour. Don’t give the Tories another term to take more of what is ours. Don’t do what the media tells you. Don’t be the turkey that votes for Christmas. December 12th. Vote. Get the Tories out. Our lives are not currency. Our futures will not be gambled. Keep your hands off our NHS!" Giggle :D ........... Give up Paddy ;-) ...... Get rid of your Terrorist supporting antisemitic leader before you try lecturing folk >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/10/political-trackers-7-8-nov-update Another sunny day here in Brexit On Sea B-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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