michele Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Where did we get to re the PSV & PCV. Been doing a bit of reading God for a thicky its complicated. what's going on can they or can't they drive the kids around on a 16 seater minibus with a MIdas cert if they are being paid already as learning support assistants or Teachers.... That is my question breaking the law or not ?...... HOWAY MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dwight Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Hi Michele, Did you try Community Transport Association web site. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 No but will do ....just out of interest what do you think ...... Re the Hire paid teacher bit / Vountary ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Website of the UK governmentPlease note that this website has a UK government accesskeys system. Public services all in one placeMain menu Skip main menu Home Directories Guide to Govt Do it online Newsroom Wednesday, 21 February 2007Page menuBrowse by subjectCrime, justice and the law Education and learning Employment Environment and greener living Health and well-being Home and community Money, tax and benefits Motoring Driver licensing What you can drive and your obligations Rights and responsibilities Travel and transport Browse by peopleBritons living abroad Caring for someone Disabled people Over 50s Parents Young people Motoring Driving a minibus You may be allowed to drive a minibus without bus entitlement, if it is not used for hire or reward. Hire or reward generally means any payment in cash or kind made by or on behalf of passengers which gives them right to be carried in a vehicle. Driving licence held before 1 January 1997 If you had entitlement to drive cars prior to 1 January 1997 you can drive a minibus provided you are 21 or over and the minibus has a maximum of 17 seats including the driver's seat and is not being used for hire or reward. To drive a minibus which has nine or more passenger seats for hire or reward you will normally need passenger carrying vehicle entitlement (PCV). To obtain this you must meet higher medical standards and take a further driving test. However, if you drive a minibus for an organisation under the minibus or community bus permit scheme you will not need to have the higher PCV entitlements. Minibus and community bus permits New rules from 1 January 1998 Your minibus entitlement will remain valid in the United Kingdom (UK) and on temporary visits abroad until your licence is next renewed. When your licence is renewed, your minibus entitlement can only be issued if you make a special application, which will involve meeting higher medical standards. If your minibus entitlement is renewed you will normally be granted a licence for three years which will allow you to drive a minibus, not for hire or reward, in the UK and on temporary visits to other European Community/European Economic Area (EC/EEA) countries. See below for more details about licences that will be accepted abroad. If your minibus entitlement is not renewed, the entitlement will no longer appear on your licence. However if you are aged under 70 years, you may still be able to drive minibuses in certain circumstances. Drivers whose licences are due for renewal will receive advice about these new procedures with their renewal reminder letter. Vehicle category descriptions Vehicle category descriptions, which appear on your driving licence, can be found on the link below. Vehicles you can drive and how old you must be to drive them Medically restricted licences In general, car licences have to be renewed when drivers reach the age of 70, but younger drivers with restricted medical licences will also be affected by the new rules when their licences are renewed after 1 January 1998. If you have a medically restricted licence you should note that entitlement to drive non-commercial minibuses on a voluntary basis would not be subject to the higher standards until you reach the age of 70. The rules listed at car licences first obtained after 1 January 1997 will also apply to you. For more information about how medical conditions and disabilities affect your licence you can use the link below: Medical rules for all drivers Licences that will be accepted abroad All entitlements on British licences will continue to be accepted at face value during temporary visits to other EC/EEA countries. Please note that permit minibuses used for hire or reward cannot be driven outside the UK unless the driver has passed a PCV test. Drivers who become permanently resident in another EC/EEA country may find that their entitlement to drive minibuses (not for hire or reward) may not be acceptable. Advice should be sought from the licensing authority of the new country with the exception of Northern Ireland, which will accept all Great Britain entitlements. Drivers who do not have minibus entitlement If your driving licence does not allow you to drive a minibus, there are certain circumstances where you still may be able to do so which are explained on the link below. Driving passenger carrying vehicles (PCV) on a car driving licence The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) information leaflet covering this subject is available from DVLA local offices or for download on the link below. Download Driving a Minibus (INF28) (PDF, 540K) In this section... Driving larger goods vehicles (LGV) on a car driving licence Driving passenger carrying vehicles (PCV) on a car driving licence How to add higher categories to your driving licence (staging and upgrading) Minibus and community bus permits Vehicle weights explained Vehicles you can drive and how old you must be to drive them Your driving conduct for larger vehicles, minibuses or buses Additional linksSee also... How to tell DVLA about a medical condition The driving licence you need to tow a caravan or trailer Do it online Take an official practice theory test (opens new window) Book a theory or practical test online (opens new window) Order a driving licence application form (opens new window) Motoring services available online... Useful contacts Driving Standards Agency (DSA) - Customer Services Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) contacts So it seems after a long phone call to VOSA they have to have a operators licence . Then I phoned the DVLA and they are sending me a fact sheet RE mini Bus entitlements the lady did explain that there were certain criteria but the school does not seem to fit any (IE) voluntary part .. How can you get paid a wage as a teacher & or a Learning support assistant and call it voluntary?....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 s Motoring Driver licensing What you can drive and your obligations Rights and responsibilities Travel and transport Browse by peopleBritons living abroad Caring for someone Disabled people Over 50s Parents Young people Motoring Driving passenger carrying vehicles (PCV) on a car driving licence There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive minibuses and buses without having to hold the higher passenger carrying vehicle (PCV) driving licence entitlement. Drivers of minibuses having 9-16 passenger seats will normally need to hold a PCV licence category D1 or a category D licence to drive larger buses. Exempted passenger carrying vehicles Holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive any of the vehicles listed below: a passenger carrying vehicle manufactured more than 30 years before the date when it is driven and not used for hire or reward or for the carriage of more than 8 passengers a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided the following conditions are met: i. the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward ii. the driver is aged 21 iii. the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years iv. the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis v. the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers vi. if the driver is aged 70 or over, is able to meet the health standards for driving a D1 vehicle When driving a minibus under these conditions you may not receive any payment or consideration for doing so other than out of pocket expenses or tow any size trailer; you may only drive minibuses in this country. Drivers aged 70 or over will need to make a special application, which involves meeting higher medical standards. Holders of a full category D (PCV) driving licence can also drive a passenger carrying recovery vehicle. This is defined as a vehicle (not being an articulated goods vehicle combination) which: has an unladen weight not exceeding 10.2 tonnes is being operated by the holder of a public service vehicle (PSV) operator's licence and, is being used for the purpose of: i. proceeding to, or returning from, a place where assistance is to be, or has been, given to a damaged or disabled passenger-carrying vehicle ii. giving assistance to or moving a disabled passenger-carrying vehicle or moving a damaged vehicle Minimum age Drivers of exempted passenger carrying vehicles and any vehicle, which weighs more than 7.5 tonnes can be driven from the age of 21 years. How are vehicles classified for driver licensing purposes? Categories of vehicles and their descriptions can be found on the link below. DVLA cannot give legal advice on how vehicles are classified but, generally speaking it depends on the weight of the vehicle or the number of passengers it can carry. Any queries should be directed to the DVLA on 0870 240 0009 and lines are open Mon - Fri 8am - 8.30pm and Sat 9am - 5.30pm Vehicles you can drive and how old you must be to drive them In this section... Minibus and community bus permits Driving a minibus Driving larger goods vehicles (LGV) on a car driving licence Vehicle weights explained How to add higher categories to your driving licence (staging and upgrading) Vehicles you can drive and how old you must be to drive them Your driving conduct for larger vehicles, minibuses or buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Motoring Driver licensing What you can drive and your obligations Rights and responsibilities Travel and transport Browse by peopleBritons living abroad Caring for someone Disabled people Over 50s Parents Young people Motoring How to add higher categories to your driving licence (staging and upgrading) If you hold a full car driving licence (category B), it may be possible for you to apply for provisional entitlements in a higher category. There are also circumstances that will upgrade a lower category on your licence if you pass the driving test in a higher category. Staging If you passed your driving test on or after the 1 January 1997 and you want to learn to drive a larger vehicle, you may be able to apply for the higher category. Once you have obtained provisional entitlement on your driving licence you can take the test in that category. For example, a driver must hold a full car licence (category B) before being able to apply for a provisional licence to drive a lorry, minibus or bus. This is known as staging and will apply from the smallest to the largest vehicles. The table below shows the full licence that needs to be held before you can apply for provisional entitlement in the higher categories. Provisional entitlement required Full licence to be held B+E*, G*, H*, C1, C, D1, D B C1+E C1 C+E C D1+E D1 D+E D * Provisional entitlement granted automatically with full B licence Upgrading If you pass your test for a larger vehicle category, in certain circumstances a lower category will be upgraded. This does not apply, however, to a driver who has already passed a test, which involves trailer entitlement for a larger or equivalent vehicle. The table below provides an indication of the vehicle category held, the higher vehicle category that has been passed and the vehicle category that will be upgrade as a result of the test passed. Full category held Additional test passed Upgrading B, C1 C1+E B+E B, D1 D1+E B+E B, C1, D1 C1+E B+E, D1+E B, C1, D1 D1+E B+E B, C1, C C+E B+E, C1+E B, C1, C, D1, D D+E B+E, D1+E B, C1, C, D1, D C+E B+E, C1+E, D1+E, D+E Vehicle categories explained As a general guideline: lorry entitlements can upgrade bus entitlements bus entitlements can not upgrade lorry entitlement both lorry and bus entitlements can upgrade car entitlements For further information regarding staging or upgrading of vehicle category entitlements, you can write to: Customer Enquiries (Drivers) Group DVLA Sandringham Park Swansea SA7 0EE In this section... Driving a minibus Driving larger goods vehicles (LGV) on a car driving licence Driving passenger carrying vehicles (PCV) on a car driving licence How to add higher categories to your driving licence (staging and upgrading) Minibus and community bus permits Vehicle weights explained Vehicles you can drive and how old you must be to drive them Your driving conduct for larger vehicles, minibuses or buses Additional linksSee also... How to tell DVLA about a medical condition Well I,m lost not really think i,m getting it sorry for the bumpf it's nothing that Mel E brian Kirby & Derek have not pointed out before and probably one or two others names I have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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michele Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Well seemingly it is legal and has nothing to do with the fact that the teachers are already being paid?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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