Guest pelmetman Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 3:15 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 7:57 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-24 5:49 PM BTW, the actual documents is entitled: HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU. Available free here: http://tinyurl.com/zn9uads Do please note that it is "the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU", and not the immediate economic impact of voting to leave the EU. You really should download a copy and read it, because then you'll know what it actually says. :-) Politicians, eh? You just gotta believe their every word, don'tcha? Especially if they seem to be saying what you wanted to hear, even if it is arrant nonsense! Still, never mind, eh? :-D How many bothered to read the document?..........compared to those who heard Osborne say....... "A Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower." But feel free to carry on defending LOSER Lies >:-) ............ Where is the loser lie? Why are you ignoring the FACT of what Osborne said? ;-) .......... Oh yeah its proof of a lying Remoaner >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-11-25 3:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 3:15 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 7:57 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-24 5:49 PM BTW, the actual documents is entitled: HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU. Available free here: http://tinyurl.com/zn9uads Do please note that it is "the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU", and not the immediate economic impact of voting to leave the EU. You really should download a copy and read it, because then you'll know what it actually says. :-) Politicians, eh? You just gotta believe their every word, don'tcha? Especially if they seem to be saying what you wanted to hear, even if it is arrant nonsense! Still, never mind, eh? :-D How many bothered to read the document?..........compared to those who heard Osborne say....... "A Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower." But feel free to carry on defending LOSER Lies >:-) ............ Where is the loser lie? Why are you ignoring the FACT of what Osborne said? ;-) .......... Oh yeah its proof of a lying Remoaner >:-) .......... Oh, I see, Osborne (who you believed) was the "lying remoaner"? Well you should have been a little less trusting and done what I did, (and I suspect you still haven't) and checked, and then you'd have known the truth. It's what happens when a politician tries to reduce a dense, 80 page, technical report to a soundbite, to get the news headlines. You quote what Osborne said because it seems to discredited the treasury (and almost all other) economic analysis, and that suits your Brexit agenda. Your repeated line has been that Osborne said the downsides would follow the vote, and nothing happened, so the analysis is crap. Problem is, you believed Osborne's misrepresentation while, as I've repeatedly said, the analysis shows, quite logically, that the downsides arise after we actually Brexit (which is hardly surprising, if you think about it) - and we ain't yet Brexited. But hey, you knew what you were voting for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 5:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 3:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 3:15 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 7:57 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-24 5:49 PM BTW, the actual documents is entitled: HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU. Available free here: http://tinyurl.com/zn9uads Do please note that it is "the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU", and not the immediate economic impact of voting to leave the EU. You really should download a copy and read it, because then you'll know what it actually says. :-) Politicians, eh? You just gotta believe their every word, don'tcha? Especially if they seem to be saying what you wanted to hear, even if it is arrant nonsense! Still, never mind, eh? :-D How many bothered to read the document?..........compared to those who heard Osborne say....... "A Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower." But feel free to carry on defending LOSER Lies >:-) ............ Where is the loser lie? Why are you ignoring the FACT of what Osborne said? ;-) .......... Oh yeah its proof of a lying Remoaner >:-) .......... Oh, I see, Osborne (who you believed) was the "lying remoaner"? Well you should have been a little less trusting and done what I did, (and I suspect you still haven't) and checked, and then you'd have known the truth. It's what happens when a politician tries to reduce a dense, 80 page, technical report to a soundbite, to get the news headlines. You quote what Osborne said because it seems to discredited the treasury (and almost all other) economic analysis, and that suits your Brexit agenda. Your repeated line has been that Osborne said the downsides would follow the vote, and nothing happened, so the analysis is crap. Problem is, you believed Osborne's misrepresentation while, as I've repeatedly said, the analysis shows, quite logically, that the downsides arise after we actually Brexit (which is hardly surprising, if you think about it) - and we ain't yet Brexited. But hey, you knew what you were voting for! So is this government treasury website lying to? ;-) .......... ***A vote to leave*** would cause a profound economic shock creating instability and uncertainty which would be compounded by the complex and interdependent negotiations that would follow. The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-11-25 5:24 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 5:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 3:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 3:15 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 7:57 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-24 5:49 PM BTW, the actual documents is entitled: HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU. Available free here: http://tinyurl.com/zn9uads Do please note that it is "the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU", and not the immediate economic impact of voting to leave the EU. You really should download a copy and read it, because then you'll know what it actually says. :-) Politicians, eh? You just gotta believe their every word, don'tcha? Especially if they seem to be saying what you wanted to hear, even if it is arrant nonsense! Still, never mind, eh? :-D How many bothered to read the document?..........compared to those who heard Osborne say....... "A Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower." But feel free to carry on defending LOSER Lies >:-) ............ Where is the loser lie? Why are you ignoring the FACT of what Osborne said? ;-) .......... Oh yeah its proof of a lying Remoaner >:-) .......... Oh, I see, Osborne (who you believed) was the "lying remoaner"? Well you should have been a little less trusting and done what I did, (and I suspect you still haven't) and checked, and then you'd have known the truth. It's what happens when a politician tries to reduce a dense, 80 page, technical report to a soundbite, to get the news headlines. You quote what Osborne said because it seems to discredited the treasury (and almost all other) economic analysis, and that suits your Brexit agenda. Your repeated line has been that Osborne said the downsides would follow the vote, and nothing happened, so the analysis is crap. Problem is, you believed Osborne's misrepresentation while, as I've repeatedly said, the analysis shows, quite logically, that the downsides arise after we actually Brexit (which is hardly surprising, if you think about it) - and we ain't yet Brexited. But hey, you knew what you were voting for! So is this government treasury website lying to? ;-) .......... ***A vote to leave*** would cause a profound economic shock creating instability and uncertainty which would be compounded by the complex and interdependent negotiations that would follow. The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu As in the other thread in which you quoted the same line, that is one paragraph cherry-picked out of the five and a bit executive summary to the 80 page document. There is no "lie". You clearly haven't properly read the document, so haven't fully understood what it is saying. The statement above is predicated on the UK having completed the entire withdrawal and future relationship process within the Article 50 envisaged two year period. As elsewhere stated, we are now over three and a half years out, and haven't even formalised the withdrawal agreement stage. The forecast events that trigger the forecasts major economic impacts have not yet happened, only the vote. You've got the document, so read it all, and inwardly digest! Then you'll understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 6:38 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 5:24 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 5:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 3:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-25 3:15 PM pelmetman - 2019-11-25 7:57 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-11-24 5:49 PM BTW, the actual documents is entitled: HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU. Available free here: http://tinyurl.com/zn9uads Do please note that it is "the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU", and not the immediate economic impact of voting to leave the EU. You really should download a copy and read it, because then you'll know what it actually says. :-) Politicians, eh? You just gotta believe their every word, don'tcha? Especially if they seem to be saying what you wanted to hear, even if it is arrant nonsense! Still, never mind, eh? :-D How many bothered to read the document?..........compared to those who heard Osborne say....... "A Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower." But feel free to carry on defending LOSER Lies >:-) ............ Where is the loser lie? Why are you ignoring the FACT of what Osborne said? ;-) .......... Oh yeah its proof of a lying Remoaner >:-) .......... Oh, I see, Osborne (who you believed) was the "lying remoaner"? Well you should have been a little less trusting and done what I did, (and I suspect you still haven't) and checked, and then you'd have known the truth. It's what happens when a politician tries to reduce a dense, 80 page, technical report to a soundbite, to get the news headlines. You quote what Osborne said because it seems to discredited the treasury (and almost all other) economic analysis, and that suits your Brexit agenda. Your repeated line has been that Osborne said the downsides would follow the vote, and nothing happened, so the analysis is crap. Problem is, you believed Osborne's misrepresentation while, as I've repeatedly said, the analysis shows, quite logically, that the downsides arise after we actually Brexit (which is hardly surprising, if you think about it) - and we ain't yet Brexited. But hey, you knew what you were voting for! So is this government treasury website lying to? ;-) .......... ***A vote to leave*** would cause a profound economic shock creating instability and uncertainty which would be compounded by the complex and interdependent negotiations that would follow. The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu As in the other thread in which you quoted the same line, that is one paragraph cherry-picked out of the five and a bit executive summary to the 80 page document. There is no "lie". You clearly haven't properly read the document, so haven't fully understood what it is saying. The statement above is predicated on the UK having completed the entire withdrawal and future relationship process within the Article 50 envisaged two year period. As elsewhere stated, we are now over three and a half years out, and haven't even formalised the withdrawal agreement stage. The forecast events that trigger the forecasts major economic impacts have not yet happened, only the vote. You've got the document, so read it all, and inwardly digest! Then you'll understand. Here you go ;-) .......... This document assesses the immediate economic impact of a vote for the UK to leave the EU. A vote to leave would cause a profound economic shock creating instability and uncertainty which would be compounded by the complex and interdependent negotiations that would follow. The central conclusion of the analysis is that the effect of this profound shock would be to push the UK into recession and lead to a sharp rise in unemployment. Two scenarios have been modelled to provide analysis of the adverse impact on the economy: a ‘shock’ to the economy, and a ‘severe shock’. In the ‘shock’ scenario, a vote to leave would result in a recession, a spike in inflation and a rise in unemployment. After two years, the analysis shows that GDP would be around 3.6% lower in the shock scenario compared with a vote to remain. In this scenario, the fall in the value of the pound would be around 12%, and unemployment would increase by around 500,000, with all regions experiencing a rise in the number of people out of work. In the ‘severe shock’ scenario, the rise in uncertainty, the effect on financial conditions and the transition effects are larger. The analysis shows that after two years the level of GDP would be 6% lower, the fall in the value of the pound would be 15% and unemployment would increase by around 800,000. If negotiations with the EU took longer than two years to conclude or if the outcome were to be less favourable than expected, the UK economy could be subject to repeated and persistent rises in uncertainty which would depress further UK economic prospects. Published 23 May 2016 Its pretty clear to me that it is a prediction of what would happen if we voted to leave >:-) ......... In fact the only bit that refers to after we've left is the last paragraph (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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