Birdbrain Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 6:08 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-04 5:59 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:46 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 4:52 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 11:28 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 10:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:25 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-03 10:23 PM rael - 2020-05-03 9:41 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:36 PM 8-) ......... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-25/why-the-world-s-highest-virus-death-rate-is-in-europe-s-capital Blame what on BJ? Ignore him. He's trying to deflect from a simple question he's been asked on another thread he's finding awkward to answer. He always does it when stuck in hole. That link he's posted on this thread is a nonsense. Belgium has just over 7000 deaths whilst we have over 28,446. https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/29/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide So explain why Belgium has the highest death rate from COVID19 in the WORLD? 8-) ........ Surely their Prime Minister must be even more incompetent than you're trying to make Boris out to be? >:-) ....... Its the way they are counting the deaths. FT had ours at 41000 two weeks ago (double the official figure) https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab so who knows what it is now. Belgium its different. "Its figures include all the deaths in the country’s more than 1,500 nursing homes, even those untested for the virus. These numbers add up to more than half of the overall figure." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-belgium-death-toll-lockdown-trump-who-uk-spain-italy-a9494186.html So you agree that using death rates to compare how countries are dealing with COVID19 is pointless? ;-) ........ Perhaps you could let our resident muppets Waldorf & Statler (aka Bullet & Brian) know? :D ......... It makes it more complicated but there is no doubt that some countries have fared better than others but there is also no denying once you add up all the Uk deaths (if that is even possible) that have not been "officially" recorded in our toll that we are amongst the highest if not the highest. No Barry it's not that complicated :-| ........ The virus we have spreads like wild fire in high population areas.....as Belgium has discovered..... Just as we are discovering.......But to try to use that as an excuse to berate the actions of our government is frankly shameful >:-( ........ Why are you also ignoring who is the real culprit......CHINA? 8-) ........ Barry thinks it originated in France ... So its Frenchy Flu not Chinky Flu that seems to upset his stomach Why am I not surprised that our resident Loony liberal brigade, would rather object about the terminology used......... Rather than object about the country who dumped a terminal virus in our country? *-) ....... They dont object to using Little Englander time and again ... Selective hate from The Squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:46 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 4:52 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 11:28 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 10:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:25 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-03 10:23 PM rael - 2020-05-03 9:41 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:36 PM 8-) ......... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-25/why-the-world-s-highest-virus-death-rate-is-in-europe-s-capital Blame what on BJ? Ignore him. He's trying to deflect from a simple question he's been asked on another thread he's finding awkward to answer. He always does it when stuck in hole. That link he's posted on this thread is a nonsense. Belgium has just over 7000 deaths whilst we have over 28,446. https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/29/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide So explain why Belgium has the highest death rate from COVID19 in the WORLD? 8-) ........ Surely their Prime Minister must be even more incompetent than you're trying to make Boris out to be? >:-) ....... Its the way they are counting the deaths. FT had ours at 41000 two weeks ago (double the official figure) https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab so who knows what it is now. Belgium its different. "Its figures include all the deaths in the country’s more than 1,500 nursing homes, even those untested for the virus. These numbers add up to more than half of the overall figure." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-belgium-death-toll-lockdown-trump-who-uk-spain-italy-a9494186.html So you agree that using death rates to compare how countries are dealing with COVID19 is pointless? ;-) ........ Perhaps you could let our resident muppets Waldorf & Statler (aka Bullet & Brian) know? :D ......... It makes it more complicated but there is no doubt that some countries have fared better than others but there is also no denying once you add up all the Uk deaths (if that is even possible) that have not been "officially" recorded in our toll that we are amongst the highest if not the highest. No Barry it's not that complicated :-| ........ The virus we have spreads like wild fire in high population areas.....as Belgium has discovered..... Just as we are discovering.......But to try to use that as an excuse to berate the actions of our government is frankly shameful >:-( ........ Why are you also ignoring who is the real culprit......CHINA? 8-) ........ The virus does indeed spread like wildfire in populated areas. What is really shameful though is we had a heads up and knew it was spreading like wildfire but our government did nothing. Instead our PM boasted on national TV about how it was ok to go around shaking hands in Corona hit hospitals and then low and behold nearly died of Covid 19! Wow! Quelle surprise! Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 11:28 AM...........................….So you agree that using death rates to compare how countries are dealing with COVID19 is pointless? ;-) ........ Perhaps you could let our resident muppets Waldorf & Statler (aka Bullet & Brian) know? :D ......... Cheeky! I pointed that out to you here "Brian Kirby - 2020-04-28 1:25 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 5:48 PM Why the UK is currently doing just as well......or better than the majority of similar sized EU countries? ;-) ....... Just askin :D ...… Now, let's try some sense! (OK, I know, time wasted, but what the hell!) First, the numbers quoted are all as recorded by the various countries listed, all of which are using different bases for counting/recording. when you were blithely quoting figures from the ECDC (I know, the ECDC!! :-)), since when you have gone on quoting figures from any source that says what you like, in the full knowledge that unless the figures are properly understood (fat chance) they are unreliable indicators. So, when someone else uses similar figures, you proclaim the comparison pointless. You even accuse other of hypocrisy from time to time! Re you claim above "the UK is currently doing just as well......or better than the majority of similar sized EU countries", and using your favourite data set, no it ain't, because population size does not govern rates of infection. Government actions govern rates of infection, and the UK has among the worst. Look at Poland. The rank is by size of population, the relevant column is "% of population infected". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-04 5:59 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:46 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 4:52 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 11:28 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-04 10:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:25 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-03 10:23 PM rael - 2020-05-03 9:41 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-03 10:36 PM 8-) ......... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-25/why-the-world-s-highest-virus-death-rate-is-in-europe-s-capital Blame what on BJ? Ignore him. He's trying to deflect from a simple question he's been asked on another thread he's finding awkward to answer. He always does it when stuck in hole. That link he's posted on this thread is a nonsense. Belgium has just over 7000 deaths whilst we have over 28,446. https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/29/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide So explain why Belgium has the highest death rate from COVID19 in the WORLD? 8-) ........ Surely their Prime Minister must be even more incompetent than you're trying to make Boris out to be? >:-) ....... Its the way they are counting the deaths. FT had ours at 41000 two weeks ago (double the official figure) https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab so who knows what it is now. Belgium its different. "Its figures include all the deaths in the country’s more than 1,500 nursing homes, even those untested for the virus. These numbers add up to more than half of the overall figure." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-belgium-death-toll-lockdown-trump-who-uk-spain-italy-a9494186.html So you agree that using death rates to compare how countries are dealing with COVID19 is pointless? ;-) ........ Perhaps you could let our resident muppets Waldorf & Statler (aka Bullet & Brian) know? :D ......... It makes it more complicated but there is no doubt that some countries have fared better than others but there is also no denying once you add up all the Uk deaths (if that is even possible) that have not been "officially" recorded in our toll that we are amongst the highest if not the highest. No Barry it's not that complicated :-| ........ The virus we have spreads like wild fire in high population areas.....as Belgium has discovered..... Just as we are discovering.......But to try to use that as an excuse to berate the actions of our government is frankly shameful >:-( ........ Why are you also ignoring who is the real culprit......CHINA? 8-) ........ Barry thinks it originated in France ... So its Frenchy Flu not Chinky Flu that seems to upset his stomach IT'S NOT FLU birdbrained! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? Because of Brexit.....that's why he's so enamoured with Johnson. It's Brexit at any cost....even other peoples lives. Worth remembering how fickle Pelmet is over his choices when six years back he said Johnson "looks like he'd sell his Granny if there was a buyer". But he's always flown under flags of convenience. Back then he was a Kipper before bunging £25 into Faridges paypal company! https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ And who could forget his fawning over Theresa May whom he anointed on here with regularity as the "Sainted" Theresa! That reverence didn't last long either!! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? Portugal has one major airport and two minor, we have eight major plus major rail terminal with Europe,multiple ferry ports, shutting down the uk was never going to be a 5 minute thing. Certainly Portugal and Greece hav3 done a good job, we had a much more difficult and different job.Did we do it well? Not particularly,we were slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 3:24 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? Because of Brexit.....that's why he's so enamoured with Johnson. It's Brexit at any cost....even other peoples lives. Worth remembering how fickle Pelmet is over his choices when six years back he said Johnson "looks like he'd sell his Granny if there was a buyer". But he's always flown under flags of convenience. Back then he was a Kipper before bunging £25 into Faridges paypal company! https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ And who could forget his fawning over Theresa May whom he anointed on here with regularity as the "Sainted" Theresa! That reverence didn't last long either!! (lol) LOL! I see I bumped it back in 2019. Maybe it deserves another bump! Yes Brexit! That is of course it. You only have to look at some of the Northern social media pages for what was once Labour heartlands to realise that. They are so heavily invested now in turning Blue from a lifetime of Red its impossible for many to accept what they have done. The fawning is sickening. It was bad enough when it was four years of sticking to their guns over Brexit despite the ever increasing evidence of how much of a mistake and a con job it all was. The fall out of all that is the rogue government we now have in place and its continuous failure to protect lives. Yet its these very people that are most at risk from Brexit and Covid 19. Its desperately sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths..........The point is that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ........ Not that will stop the Loser Brigade from using them to bash Boris *-) ........ It actually says more about you Remoaners are that you would weaponise a pandemic 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths..........The point is that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ........ Not that will stop the Loser Brigade from using them to bash Boris *-) ........ It actually says more about you Remoaners are that you would weaponise a pandemic 8-) ........ No, I dont think they are. It appears Belgium is counting just about any deaths as Covid where it could possibly be a factor but not proved, its the other way around here. Weaponise? Stupid Boy. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths. No because we only counted those that died in hospitals and only recently counted care home deaths. You need to drop your rabid pro-Brexit wailing btw....we all know how fickle you are in leader choice and what you voted for but thats no longer on the front page. There is a far more serious matter to deal with than spouting silly soundbites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-06 10:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths..........The point is that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ........ Not that will stop the Loser Brigade from using them to bash Boris *-) ........ It actually says more about you Remoaners are that you would weaponise a pandemic 8-) ........ No, I dont think they are. It appears Belgium is counting just about any deaths as Covid where it could possibly be a factor but not proved, its the other way around here. Weaponise? Stupid Boy. *-) Seeing as its a FACT that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ....... Don't you think you're being a bit premature in using the figures to bash Boris with? *-) ........ But then again its any weapon in your battle to stop Brexit isn't it? ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-06 2:12 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths. No because we only counted those that died in hospitals and only recently counted care home deaths. You need to drop your rabid pro-Brexit wailing btw....we all know how fickle you are in leader choice and what you voted for but thats no longer on the front page. There is a far more serious matter to deal with than spouting silly soundbites. So how do you know we have had more deaths than any other country other than America?.......Even when the Lefty BBC is saying the figures cant be relied on :-| ......... No doubt you accept the death figures from China as being accurate? *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-06 2:12 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths. No because we only counted those that died in hospitals and only recently counted care home deaths. You need to drop your rabid pro-Brexit wailing btw....we all know how fickle you are in leader choice and what you voted for but thats no longer on the front page. There is a far more serious matter to deal with than spouting silly soundbites. So how do you know we have had more deaths than any other country other than America?....... I've put plenty of links up......try a bit of reading for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:09 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-06 10:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths..........The point is that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ........ Not that will stop the Loser Brigade from using them to bash Boris *-) ........ It actually says more about you Remoaners are that you would weaponise a pandemic 8-) ........ No, I dont think they are. It appears Belgium is counting just about any deaths as Covid where it could possibly be a factor but not proved, its the other way around here. Weaponise? Stupid Boy. *-) Seeing as its a FACT that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ....... Don't you think you're being a bit premature in using the figures to bash Boris with? *-) ........ But then again its any weapon in your battle to stop Brexit isn't it? ;-) ......... The only thing I am bashing Johnson and his cronies about is their failure to react quickly enough both in locking down and securing vital supplies and the result of that is the highest death totals in Europe, second in the world!. Yes its true that the methods of counting vary but we have to admit we failed to use the precious advantages we had of firstly being behind the rest of Europe and learning from their mistakes, secondly not securing our ports and airports better than we did, thirdly securing vital PPE and lying about the stockpile we had and indeed not heeding the advice from Cygnus and last years recommendations on our PPE stock piling and pandemic preparation. We wasted seven weeks, Portugal locked down in just over two. We wasted that time while they toyed with the idea of herd immunity but in a country with the population density of the UK they realised all too late that it would be an horrendous outcome. That had Cummings written all over it I am sure. So over that, I think they do need to be hauled over the coals. Its done now though, nothing we can do to put it right so all I want to see now is just honesty and transparency but its beyond their capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-06 5:06 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:09 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-06 10:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 2:39 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-05 11:49 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-05 11:33 AM Face it Dave. They fooked up big style and now we are likely to have the most deaths it seems. As said though, this could just be the tip of the Iceberg if indeed there is any correlation to the 1917 pandemic. What happens next all over the world and how the various countries respond could be critical to how we all come out the other side of this. Face it Barry .....The UK has done as well as similar sized EU countries and better than tiny Belgium the HQ of the EU 8-) ........... Except it hasn't. Keep up. (see bullets latest thread) As I pointed out to you the other day Belgium pretty much counted all deaths as Covid deaths. You even used it to try and make a point that you cant rely on each countries figures but its undeniable now that thanks to the government sitting on its hands we are finally world leaders in something. Sadly it appears to be death. We are an island, we had a head start, Italy were screaming at us to do something, Portugal locked down in 16 days after the first deaths, we took seven weeks. How can you carry on defending them? So Belgium is using similar method to us for counting their deaths..........The point is that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ........ Not that will stop the Loser Brigade from using them to bash Boris *-) ........ It actually says more about you Remoaners are that you would weaponise a pandemic 8-) ........ No, I dont think they are. It appears Belgium is counting just about any deaths as Covid where it could possibly be a factor but not proved, its the other way around here. Weaponise? Stupid Boy. *-) Seeing as its a FACT that every country is using a different method to count their deaths :-| ....... Don't you think you're being a bit premature in using the figures to bash Boris with? *-) ........ But then again its any weapon in your battle to stop Brexit isn't it? ;-) ......... The only thing I am bashing Johnson and his cronies about is their failure to react quickly enough both in locking down and securing vital supplies and the result of that is the highest death totals in Europe, second in the world!. Yes its true that the methods of counting vary but we have to admit we failed to use the precious advantages we had of firstly being behind the rest of Europe and learning from their mistakes, secondly not securing our ports and airports better than we did, thirdly securing vital PPE and lying about the stockpile we had and indeed not heeding the advice from Cygnus and last years recommendations on our PPE stock piling and pandemic preparation. We wasted seven weeks, Portugal locked down in just over two. Not to mention government downgrading the level of Covid-19 in March and i've yet to read an ethical reason for that. It's been overlooked and conveniently ignored. https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/uk-government-officially-and-quietly-downgrades-covid-19/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Perhaps the death toll in the UK is because many people are lardy, unfit, junk food eating couch potatoes. And before you say anything Barry, that is not a dig at you. ;-) You cannot compare any figures yet, it's too early but the UK has a better record per 100,000 people than Spain and according to the link, Spain left all care home deaths out of their official figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 12:21 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 11:28 AM...........................….So you agree that using death rates to compare how countries are dealing with COVID19 is pointless? ;-) ........ Perhaps you could let our resident muppets Waldorf & Statler (aka Bullet & Brian) know? :D ......... Cheeky! I pointed that out to you here "Brian Kirby - 2020-04-28 1:25 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 5:48 PM Why the UK is currently doing just as well......or better than the majority of similar sized EU countries? ;-) ....... Just askin :D ...… Now, let's try some sense! (OK, I know, time wasted, but what the hell!) First, the numbers quoted are all as recorded by the various countries listed, all of which are using different bases for counting/recording. when you were blithely quoting figures from the ECDC (I know, the ECDC!! :-)), since when you have gone on quoting figures from any source that says what you like, in the full knowledge that unless the figures are properly understood (fat chance) they are unreliable indicators. So, when someone else uses similar figures, you proclaim the comparison pointless. You even accuse other of hypocrisy from time to time! Re you claim above "the UK is currently doing just as well......or better than the majority of similar sized EU countries", and using your favourite data set, no it ain't, because population size does not govern rates of infection. Government actions govern rates of infection, and the UK has among the worst. Look at Poland. The rank is by size of population, the relevant column is "% of population infected". First you agree countries are using different counting methods ;-) ......... Then you use those figures to back up your assertion that the UK is doing worse than similar countries? *-) ........ How does that add up? 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 747 - 2020-05-06 7:16 PM Perhaps the death toll in the UK is because many people are lardy, unfit, junk food eating couch potatoes. And before you say anything Barry, that is not a dig at you. ;-) You cannot compare any figures yet, it's too early but the UK has a better record per 100,000 people than Spain and according to the link, Spain left all care home deaths out of their official figures. Totally Racist!! I dont think its that but I do think English exceptionalism probably played a part in conjunction with a bit of a lame and relaxed lock down which lets face it in many areas has been ignored. Some pretty idiotic behaviour going on in some parts and just a bit of tutting seems to be all thats gone on in response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:31 PM...…………….. First you agree countries are using different counting methods ;-) ......... Then you use those figures to back up your assertion that the UK is doing worse than similar countries? *-) ........ How does that add up? 8-) ......... It doesn't add up at all. I'm merely applying your logic in making comparisons between incomparable date sets, to demonstrate the illogicality of so doing. It was your game originally, and you've now spotted why it is leads to unreliable conclusions. Job done! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-05-07 3:34 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:31 PM...…………….. First you agree countries are using different counting methods ;-) ......... Then you use those figures to back up your assertion that the UK is doing worse than similar countries? *-) ........ How does that add up? 8-) ......... It doesn't add up at all. I'm merely applying your logic in making comparisons between incomparable date sets, to demonstrate the illogicality of so doing. It was your game originally, and you've now spotted why it is leads to unreliable conclusions. Job done! :-D Nice to see you have seen the light...... eventually Brian ;-) ........ Or should that be ......You have finally accepted that every country counts their deaths differently? :-| ....... Time to find another weapon *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-07 9:32 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-07 3:34 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 8:31 PM...…………….. First you agree countries are using different counting methods ;-) ......... Then you use those figures to back up your assertion that the UK is doing worse than similar countries? *-) ........ How does that add up? 8-) ......... It doesn't add up at all. I'm merely applying your logic in making comparisons between incomparable date sets, to demonstrate the illogicality of so doing. It was your game originally, and you've now spotted why it is leads to unreliable conclusions. Job done! :-D Nice to see you have seen the light...... eventually Brian ;-) ........ Or should that be ......You have finally accepted that every country counts their deaths differently? :-| ............... Blood cheek!! :-D Remember this? Brian Kirby - 2020-04-28 1:25 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 5:48 PM Why the UK is currently doing just as well......or better than the majority of similar sized EU countries? ;-) ....... Just askin :D ...… Now, let's try some sense! (OK, I know, time wasted, but what the hell!) First, the numbers quoted are all as recorded by the various countries listed, all of which are using different bases for counting/recording. Second, we know that the UK has not been accurately recording cases of infection or numbers of deaths attributed to Covid-19. So, given the above, comparisons will in any case be fairly meaningless. Do try to keep up, Dave. Look at the date of your OP on this thread (3 May), and the date of my reply to you above (28 April), in which I told you "comparisons will in any case be fairly meaningless": Following that, on 3 May you start this thread yet again meaninglessly comparing countries. And then you say, on 7 May, that I "have finally accepted that every country counts their deaths differently". I have finally accepted??? After I'd told you 10 days earlier that the numbers don't compare?? And you say I've been slow to catch on, when it was me who told you? Truly, someone was slow to catch on, but it definitely wasn't me. :-) Some people! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Talking about slow to catch on ...have you done the C-19 tracker yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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