Guest rael Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-06-19 12:52 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? I haven't used the term immigrant.......I said migrant ;-) ........ You asked.........."I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing." Expats is a term long used to describe retired UK folk moving to Sunnier climes B-) ....... A migrant is a term long used to describe folk who move to another country for work :D ....... Although I suspect you knew that .........So the point you're trying to score is (?) .......... Expats is a term long used to describe retired UK folk moving to Sunnier climes ....... Ah right, so if a Pole from Warsaw comes to the south coast of England then they are an expat of Poland, that makes sense as its sunnier down here. And no point trying to score points with you, as you are always correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 rael - 2020-06-20 9:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 12:52 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? I haven't used the term immigrant.......I said migrant ;-) ........ You asked.........."I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing." Expats is a term long used to describe retired UK folk moving to Sunnier climes B-) ....... A migrant is a term long used to describe folk who move to another country for work :D ....... Although I suspect you knew that .........So the point you're trying to score is (?) .......... "Expats is a term long used to describe retired UK folk moving to Sunnier climes ......." Ah right, so if a Pole from Warsaw comes to the south coast of England then they are an expat of Poland, that makes sense as its sunnier down here. And no point trying to score points with you, as you are always correct. Pelmet wouldn't agree with your example anyway because even though a Polish person would be the "right" colour, they still aren't British so must be called migrants or immigrants. Only Britons are entitled to call themselves 'expats' in Pelmets world. He's jumped through hoops pretending to be an 'expat' living in Spain. The hypocrisy of Brexit Brits abroad is boundless and there's plenty of YT clips of them and folk like Barry and Diane who flew back from their Benidorm villa sums up their mentality. https://tinyurl.com/ybozlt7z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-06-20 9:36 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 7:00 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 6:53 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-19 1:10 PM I didn’t vote to get rid of foreigners, just get rid of foreign interference. I am sure you did but to a lot of people they wanted rid of immigrants as well thanks to years of being told they were to blame for all their problems. As for foreign interference its impossible to avoid unless you really do close up all the borders and have no trade agreements with anyone. The big plan was to swap our EU membership for a deal with Donald Trump. If you think the EU was controlling wait until that buffoon gets his little mitts into us. Same with any trading bloc, even the WTO. Techincal point ;-) ....... The influx from the EU were not classed as immigrants :-| ....... They are called EU citizens and "had" free access to our country and benefit system *-) ....... Not for much longer :D ...... And hows that working out so far? Nobody to pick our fruit and NHS applications from Europe down 96%, Still on the plus side (for you) migration from the EU is down to its lowest level in 16 years. However unfortunately (for you) migration from None EU countries (Thats mainly Africa and Asia 8-) ) is up to the highest level since records began in 1975. Still, at least you will be able to spot them easier huh? Will those from Africa & Asia have automatic access to our NHS and benefit system? ;-) .......... Cant say I'm having any problems getting my 5 a day :D ......... Have Greggs stopped you buying 5 pies a day? >:-) ........ They will get access to the NHS, schools etc but not benefits, at least not until they have been here a while and have settled status. EU workers were not immediately entitled to benefits though. Most come here to work of course anyway. If you look at the stats though, EU workers contribute far more to the economy than none EU workers do. So figure that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:02 PM pelmetman - 2020-06-20 9:36 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 7:00 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 6:53 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-19 1:10 PM I didn’t vote to get rid of foreigners, just get rid of foreign interference. I am sure you did but to a lot of people they wanted rid of immigrants as well thanks to years of being told they were to blame for all their problems. As for foreign interference its impossible to avoid unless you really do close up all the borders and have no trade agreements with anyone. The big plan was to swap our EU membership for a deal with Donald Trump. If you think the EU was controlling wait until that buffoon gets his little mitts into us. Same with any trading bloc, even the WTO. Techincal point ;-) ....... The influx from the EU were not classed as immigrants :-| ....... They are called EU citizens and "had" free access to our country and benefit system *-) ....... Not for much longer :D ...... And hows that working out so far? Nobody to pick our fruit and NHS applications from Europe down 96%, Still on the plus side (for you) migration from the EU is down to its lowest level in 16 years. However unfortunately (for you) migration from None EU countries (Thats mainly Africa and Asia 8-) ) is up to the highest level since records began in 1975. Still, at least you will be able to spot them easier huh? Will those from Africa & Asia have automatic access to our NHS and benefit system? ;-) .......... Cant say I'm having any problems getting my 5 a day :D ......... Have Greggs stopped you buying 5 pies a day? >:-) ........ They will get access to the NHS, schools etc but not benefits, at least not until they have been here a while and have settled status. EU workers were not immediately entitled to benefits though. Most come here to work of course anyway. If you look at the stats though, EU workers contribute far more to the economy than none EU workers do. So figure that one out. £27 billion net in 2016 so thats another shortfall Pelmet and his chums need to pay up. Time to send in the repo boys and seize any assets they have as he won't pay higher taxes. He can live in his tin box and do fruit and veg picking work. https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:03 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. "nit picking" ... You said basically all leave voters wanted rid of "funny foreigners" which makes all 52% raciiiiiiiiiist ... Thats a big claim , but ye I knew what you meant , you just dont like being challenged over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:02 PM pelmetman - 2020-06-20 9:36 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 7:00 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 6:53 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-19 1:10 PM I didn’t vote to get rid of foreigners, just get rid of foreign interference. I am sure you did but to a lot of people they wanted rid of immigrants as well thanks to years of being told they were to blame for all their problems. As for foreign interference its impossible to avoid unless you really do close up all the borders and have no trade agreements with anyone. The big plan was to swap our EU membership for a deal with Donald Trump. If you think the EU was controlling wait until that buffoon gets his little mitts into us. Same with any trading bloc, even the WTO. Techincal point ;-) ....... The influx from the EU were not classed as immigrants :-| ....... They are called EU citizens and "had" free access to our country and benefit system *-) ....... Not for much longer :D ...... And hows that working out so far? Nobody to pick our fruit and NHS applications from Europe down 96%, Still on the plus side (for you) migration from the EU is down to its lowest level in 16 years. However unfortunately (for you) migration from None EU countries (Thats mainly Africa and Asia 8-) ) is up to the highest level since records began in 1975. Still, at least you will be able to spot them easier huh? Will those from Africa & Asia have automatic access to our NHS and benefit system? ;-) .......... Cant say I'm having any problems getting my 5 a day :D ......... Have Greggs stopped you buying 5 pies a day? >:-) ........ They will get access to the NHS, schools etc but not benefits, at least not until they have been here a while and have settled status. EU workers were not immediately entitled to benefits though. Most come here to work of course anyway. If you look at the stats though, EU workers contribute far more to the economy than none EU workers do. So figure that one out. Nope ;-) ......... The following groups are exempt from charge: refugees (those granted asylum, humanitarian protection or temporary protection under the immigration rules) and their dependents asylum seekers (those applying for asylum, humanitarian protection or temporary protection whose claims, including appeals, have not yet been determined) and their dependents individuals receiving support under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (the 1999 Act) from the Home Office those whose application for asylum was rejected, but they are supported: under section 4(2) of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 by the Home Office by a local authority under section 21 of the National Assistance Act 1948 under Part 1 (care and support) of the Care Act 2014 children looked after by a local authority victims, and suspected victims, of modern slavery or human trafficking, as determined by the UK Human Trafficking Centre or the Home Office, plus their spouse or civil partner, and any children under 18 provided they are lawfully present in the UK those receiving compulsory treatment under a court order, or who are liable to be detained in an NHS hospital or deprived of their liberty (for example, under the Mental Health Act 1983 or the Mental Capacity Act 2005) are exempt from charge for all treatment provided, in accordance with the court order, or for the duration of their detention prisoners and immigration detainees https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-entitlements-migrant-health-guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-06-21 8:03 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:02 PM pelmetman - 2020-06-20 9:36 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:17 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 7:00 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 6:53 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-19 1:10 PM I didn’t vote to get rid of foreigners, just get rid of foreign interference. I am sure you did but to a lot of people they wanted rid of immigrants as well thanks to years of being told they were to blame for all their problems. As for foreign interference its impossible to avoid unless you really do close up all the borders and have no trade agreements with anyone. The big plan was to swap our EU membership for a deal with Donald Trump. If you think the EU was controlling wait until that buffoon gets his little mitts into us. Same with any trading bloc, even the WTO. Techincal point ;-) ....... The influx from the EU were not classed as immigrants :-| ....... They are called EU citizens and "had" free access to our country and benefit system *-) ....... Not for much longer :D ...... And hows that working out so far? Nobody to pick our fruit and NHS applications from Europe down 96%, Still on the plus side (for you) migration from the EU is down to its lowest level in 16 years. However unfortunately (for you) migration from None EU countries (Thats mainly Africa and Asia 8-) ) is up to the highest level since records began in 1975. Still, at least you will be able to spot them easier huh? Will those from Africa & Asia have automatic access to our NHS and benefit system? ;-) .......... Cant say I'm having any problems getting my 5 a day :D ......... Have Greggs stopped you buying 5 pies a day? >:-) ........ They will get access to the NHS, schools etc but not benefits, at least not until they have been here a while and have settled status. EU workers were not immediately entitled to benefits though. Most come here to work of course anyway. If you look at the stats though, EU workers contribute far more to the economy than none EU workers do. So figure that one out. Nope ;-) ......... The following groups are exempt from charge: refugees (those granted asylum, humanitarian protection or temporary protection under the immigration rules) and their dependents asylum seekers (those applying for asylum, humanitarian protection or temporary protection whose claims, including appeals, have not yet been determined) and their dependents individuals receiving support under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (the 1999 Act) from the Home Office those whose application for asylum was rejected, but they are supported: under section 4(2) of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 by the Home Office by a local authority under section 21 of the National Assistance Act 1948 under Part 1 (care and support) of the Care Act 2014 children looked after by a local authority victims, and suspected victims, of modern slavery or human trafficking, as determined by the UK Human Trafficking Centre or the Home Office, plus their spouse or civil partner, and any children under 18 provided they are lawfully present in the UK those receiving compulsory treatment under a court order, or who are liable to be detained in an NHS hospital or deprived of their liberty (for example, under the Mental Health Act 1983 or the Mental Capacity Act 2005) are exempt from charge for all treatment provided, in accordance with the court order, or for the duration of their detention prisoners and immigration detainees https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-entitlements-migrant-health-guide None EU workers can still access our Nhs though. I think there is a nominal fee and their children can still go to school. If they settle here eventually they can access our benefits system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:03 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. "nit picking" ... You said basically all leave voters wanted rid of "funny foreigners" which makes all 52% raciiiiiiiiiist ... Thats a big claim , but ye I knew what you meant , you just dont like being challenged over it I said "The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe." Its a general statement to show the irony of the UK voting for Brexit where the primary reason was to get shot of Johnny Foreigner (and lets face it, it was) yet we as a country export more people than any other country in Europe. Just look at all those plebs in the Costas where Pelmet likes to hang out. Rushing back to the UK to support the Brexit party then going back to the Costa del Ingleeeesh Chip shop to complain about there being too many Spanish or summat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:47 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:03 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. "nit picking" ... You said basically all leave voters wanted rid of "funny foreigners" which makes all 52% raciiiiiiiiiist ... Thats a big claim , but ye I knew what you meant , you just dont like being challenged over it I said "The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe." Its a general statement to show the irony of the UK voting for Brexit where the primary reason was to get shot of Johnny Foreigner (and lets face it, it was) yet we as a country export more people than any other country in Europe. Just look at all those plebs in the Costas where Pelmet likes to hang out. Rushing back to the UK to support the Brexit party then going back to the Costa del Ingleeeesh Chip shop to complain about there being too many Spanish or summat. The last funny foreigner who I spoke to about Brexit in Spain was a Swiss lady who raised the subject ;-) ......... She reckoned we did the right thing by voting to leave :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:54 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:47 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:03 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. "nit picking" ... You said basically all leave voters wanted rid of "funny foreigners" which makes all 52% raciiiiiiiiiist ... Thats a big claim , but ye I knew what you meant , you just dont like being challenged over it I said "The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe." Its a general statement to show the irony of the UK voting for Brexit where the primary reason was to get shot of Johnny Foreigner (and lets face it, it was) yet we as a country export more people than any other country in Europe. Just look at all those plebs in the Costas where Pelmet likes to hang out. Rushing back to the UK to support the Brexit party then going back to the Costa del Ingleeeesh Chip shop to complain about there being too many Spanish or summat. The last funny foreigner who I spoke to about Brexit in Spain was a Swiss lady who raised the subject ;-) ......... She reckoned we did the right thing by voting to leave :D ........ Thats really odd as unlike you I tour all over Europe and talk to many many funny foreigners and as of yet I have not met a single one that thinks we were right to vote to leave the EU. Odd that eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 12:24 PM pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:54 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:47 AM I said "The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe." Its a general statement to show the irony of the UK voting for Brexit where the primary reason was to get shot of Johnny Foreigner (and lets face it, it was) yet we as a country export more people than any other country in Europe. Just look at all those plebs in the Costas where Pelmet likes to hang out. Rushing back to the UK to support the Brexit party then going back to the Costa del Ingleeeesh Chip shop to complain about there being too many Spanish or summat. The last funny foreigner who I spoke to about Brexit in Spain was a Swiss lady who raised the subject ;-) ......... She reckoned we did the right thing by voting to leave :D ........ Thats really odd as unlike you I tour all over Europe and talk to many many funny foreigners and as of yet I have not met a single one that thinks we were right to vote to leave the EU. Odd that eh? Come on Barry, we all know Pinocchio Pelmet makes stuff up as he goes along and he certainly isn't ever going to mention any non-Brits he met that disagree with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 12:24 PM pelmetman - 2020-06-21 11:54 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 10:47 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 4:03 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:35 AM Barryd999 - 2020-06-20 7:13 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-19 12:30 PM rael - 2020-06-19 8:59 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:50 AM rael - 2020-06-19 8:46 AM pelmetman - 2020-06-19 9:29 AM rael - 2020-06-18 7:34 PM I've been viewing some recent articles, and posts here, that have used the terms 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' to describe what I see as being the same thing. For example, a British national working in Spain, Poland, Romania etc. is commonly referred to as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant' I see no difference at all, so why the different terminology? The "difference" is, the vast majority of Brits who have moved too Spain or France are retired and are net contributors to their economies. Where as many of those who migrate to the UK from Romania, Poland etc are seeking work, much of that work is low paid meaning that many are not net contributors, but being part of the EU they are entitled to claim the full range of benefits that are unavailable to retired Expats :-| ........... Hmm, think you might have added your own interpretation. I'm going with the Cambridge dictionary. There is no real difference. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate Is my interpretation wrong? ;-) .......... Are UK expats "Not" mostly retired are EU migrants "Not" mostly seeking work? :D ......... Your interpretation is your own. All over the world there are thousands of British immigrants who work AND take the benefits that those countries provide, what is it you don't like about the term 'immigrant'? Millions actually. It has been estimated by the World Bank that between 4.5 million and 5.5 million Britons live abroad, that's around 7-8% of the UK population. To put that in context, only about 0.8% of Americans, 3% of Spanish and 2.1% of Australians are "immigrants". The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe. You're saying 52% of those that voted in the referendum voted to get rid of "funny foreigners" ... Now after your little tantrum elsewhere today thats a big claim ... Prove it Prove it? (lol) Just go back for four years or so and read some of your own and Pelmets threads and posts. Are you denying that immigration was not a massive factor for that 52%? Its all we had from the right wing media for years. That and stuff about Bananas etc. I never said immigration wasn't an issue ... You said "the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners" ... That doesnt say some of the 52% voted leave because of immigration it says all and that simply is not the truth and I dont know anyone who voted to get rid off "funny foreigners" Stop nit picking. You knew what I meant. "nit picking" ... You said basically all leave voters wanted rid of "funny foreigners" which makes all 52% raciiiiiiiiiist ... Thats a big claim , but ye I knew what you meant , you just dont like being challenged over it I said "The Irony being that while the UK voted to get rid of funny foreigners we have the highest rate of emigration in Europe." Its a general statement to show the irony of the UK voting for Brexit where the primary reason was to get shot of Johnny Foreigner (and lets face it, it was) yet we as a country export more people than any other country in Europe. Just look at all those plebs in the Costas where Pelmet likes to hang out. Rushing back to the UK to support the Brexit party then going back to the Costa del Ingleeeesh Chip shop to complain about there being too many Spanish or summat. The last funny foreigner who I spoke to about Brexit in Spain was a Swiss lady who raised the subject ;-) ......... She reckoned we did the right thing by voting to leave :D ........ Thats really odd as unlike you I tour all over Europe and talk to many many funny foreigners and as of yet I have not met a single one that thinks we were right to vote to leave the EU. Odd that eh? Perhaps its because you obviously wear your whinging whining Remoaner hat when coerce funny foriegn folk in conservation ;-) ........ I have yet to mention it to the funny foriegn folk I've met :D ......... After all why would I? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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