Brian Kirby Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 747 - 2020-12-13 8:01 PM 1 It seems I have confused some members. 8-) 2 I should have couched it in simpler terms. :D 3 One full year is 365 days (occasionally 366 days). 4 You can legally stay in the EU for 180 of those days. That is for almost half of the year. It just takes some simple planning and you can start your year on any day you wish that fits in with your planning......................................... All true, but para 4 above is rather a simplification of the reality. To explain. In common with, I suspect, many motorhomers, we have tended to travel spring and autumn. We see no pleasure in touring Europe in winter, with its generally colder, wetter, windier, conditions, and its short days and long nights, when many campsites are closed. We also avoid the main summer holiday season, when crowds abound, prices rise, and space is at a premium. And yes, we do prefer campsites to aires etc. for our stops. Those have been our free choices. Others, of course, will do otherwise. How are we affected? Our usual travel pattern is, therefore, during April, May and June, when we return home for July and August, and then travel again during September and October. Over the period between 2005 (when we retired) and 2019 (when we last travelled in Europe), we have generally maintained the above pattern - except for five years in which we made single trips. In the remaining nine, "two trip", years we spent between 52 and 140 days a year travelling Europe (averaging 102 days), with individual trips varying between 15 days (unfortunately curtailed) and 83 days. We have never exceeded 90 days in a single trip - but we have, in seven out of those nine two trip years, exceeded the permitted 90 days in 180 days trip durations, with the two remaining trips being in one case curtailed, and in the other, delayed. In future, unless some relaxation of the present Schengen rule is negotiated, we shall have to curtail our trips to a combined maximum of 90 days or, to observe the necessary 90 days absence from Schengen between trips, lose out on the best of the summer weather. Will we die as a consequence? No, of course not. Does that compensate for the expected future restrictions? No, of course not. Bear in mind also that the Schengen rules leave scant margin to cater for the unexpected. It is time spent in the Schengen zone that counts. If one has overstayed, for whatever reason, one is liable to be penalised on exit, and will need to enter special pleadings to avoid that. So, on balance, I'm not persuaded that Brexit will have such negligible impact on our future "Europe trotting". It will. This is not an argument against Brexit, just an illustration, in case it is useful to others, of how the resulting changes will probably impact our motorhoming expectations. For some it will have little impact - although we seem to meet many on our travels who mirror our travel pattern, for whom the impact will be real. So if anyone reading this follows a similar pattern of travel, and has not yet looked into the way in which the Schengen rules will affect them, they would be wise to do so before planning their future trips. Overstaying, by accident or design, is not to be taken lightly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Brian, you must learn to face up to reality and adapt to it. otherwise you will come across badly to others. That is my opinion only because people who moaned were tolerated poorly where I come from. I could bee misunderstanding that you come from a community that enjoys a good moan, if so I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Similar to Brian, we tour april, may, june, and september, october, 90 days is plenty enough for me, but we also sometimes have a couple of weeks winter break in Canaries. Up till now we have gone as and when we want, now we will have to juggle dates, and limit or forego some potential holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoko8pups Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 There has been a long anti motorhomers campaign all through the summer here in Portugal. The things that annoy people are soiling the surrounding area in various ways, leaving deposits and dirty toilet paper, litter, the remains of fires etc., and parking as near the beaches as possible clogging up the parking for people visiting for the day. the councils have been influenced by this and many beaches we used to go to now have 'motorhomes forbidden' signs at the top of the road so even people going out for the day can't get to them. It's a case of a few people spoiling it for the many. In my area Tavira now has a very nice site like the one at Faleisia and so does Manta Rota, about 5-8 euros a night with cassette emptying, washing machines etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombies Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Barcobird How did you get on registering? Any issues on the gas system with registering? Am having to consider options also after being in/out France for 17 years, applied for residency but my other half looks to have passed half way, I have been set back due to income despite managing, if asked for private health until the process is finalised im knackered, I cant afford the 400€ a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barcobird Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 zombies - 2020-12-30 2:45 PM Barcobird How did you get on registering? Any issues on the gas system with registering? Still going through the process but they have gladly accepted the duty from me. Gas was a doddle, employed the services of local gas specialist, cost 80 euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombies Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Cool. Good luck with it, sounds like you're there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 So who voted for Brexit (lol) I bet half the people who voted to leave are regretting it now *-) Hands up here, I voted for Brexit great result as I see things , it is not just about a bit of inconvenience for a few Motorhomer's there is a bigger picture ? we go on jollies to Spain / Portugal winter time up to six months usually but can live with the new rules , I for one think that the rule 90 days will be relaxed later as these countries rely on tourism so will see the light eventually ? Any bets on the next Country to leave the EU shambles when they start to see the benefits we garner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverback Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 vindiboy - 2021-01-01 2:00 PM So who voted for Brexit (lol) I bet half the people who voted to leave are regretting it now *-) Hands up here, I voted for Brexit great result as I see things , it is not just about a bit of inconvenience for a few Motorhomer's there is a bigger picture ? we go on jollies to Spain / Portugal winter time up to six months usually but can live with the new rules , I for one think that the rule 90 days will be relaxed later as these countries rely on tourism so will see the light eventually ? Any bets on the next Country to leave the EU shambles when they start to see the benefits we garner ? I voted leave and well glad and I am looking forward to all the exciting times ahead! B-) Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Well, I voted Remain and I’m a forum Moderator, so let's try and stay on topic (Visiting Portugal) and refrain from generalised BREXIT comments. Otherwise, there are going to be edited postings that just have nothing on them except MODERATED - Derek Uzzell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barcobird Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Derek Uzzell - 2021-01-01 3:12 PM Well, I voted Remain and I’m a forum Moderator, so let's try and stay on topic (Visiting Portugal) and refrain from generalised BREXIT comments. Otherwise, there are going to be edited postings that just have nothing on them except MODERATED - Derek Uzzell Thank you Derek, Brexit debate was not the intention of my first post. I think there are more than enough postings elsewhere, especially as I am a remainer (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverback Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 okay Derek sorry, I hold my head in shame :'( :'( :-( :$ Jonathan :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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