That bloody Cheesman!

[Barryd999]

Is apparently how Boris Johnson used to refer to this man.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/15/cheesemaker-sells-firm-to-overcome-brexit-barriers-after-losing-600000-in-sales?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Another one bites the dust except not quite, the Dutch will be happy I guess.

[B Dobson]

One has to say he must have cheese for brains . In 2019 and given that a hard Brexit was on everybody lips at that time he invested one million English pounds into a warehouse for EU consumers? Hardly the smartest move was it?. Hes obviously cheese crackers 

[Barryd999]

7 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

One has to say he must have cheese for brains . In 2019 and given that a hard Brexit was on everybody lips at that time he invested one million English pounds into a warehouse for EU consumers? Hardly the smartest move was it?. Hes obviously cheese crackers 

So you don't remember Boris Johnson and the other loopy Brexiteers telling everyone trade wouldn't be affected and it would all be as normal?

Who was that guy that said "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market".  That aged well!

If I remember rightly businesses across the land were crying out for years for clarity on what the deal would be so they could prepare and plan and they were assured that all would be fine. Well actually Johnson did say "Fcuk Business" and for once he wasn't lying but there was no clarity so nobody could prepare or plan. In fact again if I remember rightly they just did nothing as there was no great deal and in the end someone (not Johnson) cobbled together a version of Mays old deal on the back of a fag packet at the 11th hour just before we left proper and the rest is history.

[B Dobson]

2 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

So you don't remember Boris Johnson and the other loopy Brexiteers telling everyone trade wouldn't be affected and it would all be as normal?

Who was that guy that said "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market".  That aged well!

If I remember rightly businesses across the land were crying out for years for clarity on what the deal would be so they could prepare and plan and they were assured that all would be fine. Well actually Johnson did say "Fcuk Business" and for once he wasn't lying but there was no clarity so nobody could prepare or plan. In fact again if I remember rightly they just did nothing as there was no great deal and in the end someone (not Johnson) cobbled together a version of Mays old deal on the back of a fag packet at the 11th hour just before we left proper and the rest is history.

Bottom line is Barryd999 he took a gamble at a very turbulent and uncertain moment and the gamble backfired and now its all someone elses fault . Quite frankly my dear I dont give an Edam 

[Barryd999]

24 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Bottom line is Barryd999 he took a gamble at a very turbulent and uncertain moment and the gamble backfired and now its all someone elses fault . Quite frankly my dear I dont give an Edam 

So all these similar businesses that used to trade freely with the EU and who were told there would be no trade restrictions and actually "there will be no downside to Brexit at all, just considerable upsides." who have all now gone bust its somehow their own fault then and not Brexits fault or the fault of all those Brexiteers who lied to them?

I see. Thanks for clearing that up. 

[B Dobson]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

So all these similar businesses that used to trade freely with the EU and who were told there would be no trade restrictions and actually "there will be no downside to Brexit at all, just considerable upsides." who have all now gone bust its somehow their own fault then and not Brexits fault or the fault of all those Brexiteers who lied to them?

I see. Thanks for clearing that up. 

Did you believe there would be no trade restrictions in 2019? 

[Barryd999]

26 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Did you believe there would be no trade restrictions in 2019? 

None of us had any idea what restrictions there would be as none of the Brexiteers could tell us, thats the point.  As I said, it went right to the wire with a cobbled together terrible deal by which time it was too late for anyone trading with Europe to prepare properly.  Its pretty clear now though that frictionless trade has long gone.

Of course I knew it would be bad but the level of bad even I didnt know until the 11th hour, nobody did.  Brexit = chaos and continues to do so.  Brexit also equals broken Tory party. How can we possibly fix it now with a party thats pretty much imploded in charge?

 

 

[B Dobson]

10 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

None of us had any idea what restrictions there would be as none of the Brexiteers could tell us, thats the point.  As I said, it went right to the wire with a cobbled together terrible deal by which time it was too late for anyone trading with Europe to prepare properly.  Its pretty clear now though that frictionless trade has long gone.

Of course I knew it would be bad but the level of bad even I didnt know until the 11th hour, nobody did.  Brexit = chaos and continues to do so.  Brexit also equals broken Tory party. How can we possibly fix it now with a party thats pretty much imploded in charge?

 

 

I thought in 2019 it looked pretty nailed on no-deal was going to be the likely outcome? Thats what I believed and listening to those who guide us the politicians they were more than warning us about no-deal at that moment . Take your pro/anti Brexit hat off for a second, would you at that moment invested £1 million English pounds in a warehouse for EU consumers with the very real threat of no-deal happening? 

[Barryd999]

1 hour ago, B Dobson said:

I thought in 2019 it looked pretty nailed on no-deal was going to be the likely outcome? Thats what I believed and listening to those who guide us the politicians they were more than warning us about no-deal at that moment . Take your pro/anti Brexit hat off for a second, would you at that moment invested £1 million English pounds in a warehouse for EU consumers with the very real threat of no-deal happening? 

Err. No, nothing was certain. We weren't even 100% sure if there would be any Brexit at all!  This is what happens when you have no plan whatsoever as to what we might do should the country actually be daft enough to vote to leave.

It says in the article his business was growing massively at a rate of 30% per year so perhaps he thought that by expanding that he would be big enough to get around the red tape and added bureaucracy that Brexit might bring (although nobody knew what it would be as the government left it all too late) and to some extent thats been true for some bigger players.   Only those shipping huge amounts to Europe have managed to make it worth their while but even they have suffered badly.

Small producers have just packed up and its been the same to some extent the other way also although as far as I can tell the checks on inwards goods into the UK have been kicked down the road repeatedly.  So once again the EU wins over the UK.

The only country in the UK doing well is Northern Ireland and thats because its basically still in the flaming EU!

[B Dobson]

2 hours ago, Barryd999 said:

Err. No, nothing was certain. We weren't even 100% sure if there would be any Brexit at all!  This is what happens when you have no plan whatsoever as to what we might do should the country actually be daft enough to vote to leave.

It says in the article his business was growing massively at a rate of 30% per year so perhaps he thought that by expanding that he would be big enough to get around the red tape and added bureaucracy that Brexit might bring (although nobody knew what it would be as the government left it all too late) and to some extent thats been true for some bigger players.   Only those shipping huge amounts to Europe have managed to make it worth their while but even they have suffered badly.

Small producers have just packed up and its been the same to some extent the other way also although as far as I can tell the checks on inwards goods into the UK have been kicked down the road repeatedly.  So once again the EU wins over the UK.

The only country in the UK doing well is Northern Ireland and thats because its basically still in the flaming EU!

So I presume given you havent answered my question and given the massive complexities in that moment in 2019 and given you say that in 2019 "nothing was certain" you wouldnt have been daft enough to put £1 million big ones into an EU supplies warehouse unlike Mr Cheeseman? I know wether I voted Brexit or not I wouldnt . Your NI claim isnt all it seems https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/insights/northern-ireland-potential-post-brexit

[Barryd999]

2 hours ago, B Dobson said:

So I presume given you havent answered my question and given the massive complexities in that moment in 2019 and given you say that in 2019 "nothing was certain" you wouldnt have been daft enough to put £1 million big ones into an EU supplies warehouse unlike Mr Cheeseman? I know wether I voted Brexit or not I wouldnt . Your NI claim isnt all it seems https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/insights/northern-ireland-potential-post-brexit

I did answer your question with a theory. You and I are not Privy to the ins and outs of this business.  I presume someone who has built up a successful business with that kind of spectacular growth is not an idiot.  Whichever way you look at it Brexit trashed a successful booming business and like all of us he was lied to about how seamless and great it was all going to be. 

Yes you are correct about NI, it seems they were leaping ahead but of course the disastrous NI Protocol is now having an effect.  It was true however that initially NI benefited from its situation of being in the Single Market.  Any country that wants to trade with the EU will of course massively benefit from being in the single market.  If we are not doing anything new with Brexit then we need to rejoin it. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63594772  

[B Dobson]

7 hours ago, Barryd999 said:

I did answer your question with a theory. You and I are not Privy to the ins and outs of this business.  I presume someone who has built up a successful business with that kind of spectacular growth is not an idiot.  Whichever way you look at it Brexit trashed a successful booming business and like all of us he was lied to about how seamless and great it was all going to be. 

Yes you are correct about NI, it seems they were leaping ahead but of course the disastrous NI Protocol is now having an effect.  It was true however that initially NI benefited from its situation of being in the Single Market.  Any country that wants to trade with the EU will of course massively benefit from being in the single market.  If we are not doing anything new with Brexit then we need to rejoin it. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63594772  

"I presume someone who has built up a successful business with that kind of spectacular growth is not an idiot". I agree, its a shame you dont think the same about Mr Tim Martin who has built up a much more successful business but then again "Dim Tim" as you call him voted leave didnt he?. We aren't on about the fella being an idiot or not are we, we are trying to ignore how we voted in 2016 and look at wether or not Mr Cheesemans decision at that moment to throw and probably borrow £1 million into an EU consumer warehouse during what must be the most up in the air moment for UK/EU business ever and one doesnt have to know the ins and outs of his business to look and say it was a very brave decision, a risk and a gamble and its turned out the gamble backfired . 

[Barry Lineker]

21 hours ago, B Dobson said:

Bottom line is Barryd999 he took a gamble at a very turbulent and uncertain moment and the gamble backfired and now its all someone elses fault . Quite frankly my dear I dont give an Edam 

That's how it looks to me, he made a duff decision which is of course Brexits fault.

[Barryd999]

His business may well have gone tits up whether he had expanded or not. There are literally thousands of small businesses like this that were trading seamlessly with the EU that have either gone bust, sold out or relocated to Europe. This is just one small example. 

Remember, there were no downsides to Brexit, only considerable upsides. We were going to get a "Great Deal".  "we hold all the cards", "trade will continue just as before".  I could go on but there is probably a limit to the length of a post on this new forum.

[B Dobson]

25 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

That's how it looks to me, he made a duff decision which is of course Brexits fault.

Isn't everything Barry Lineker?. I made the decision to have crumpets for breakfast and they've not settled well but if Brexit hadn't happened then I would have chosen fried bread and spam which would have been a lot better . Blooming Brexit and blooming Boris 

[Barry Lineker]

32 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Isn't everything Barry Lineker?. I made the decision to have crumpets for breakfast and they've not settled well but if Brexit hadn't happened then I would have chosen fried bread and spam which would have been a lot better . Blooming Brexit and blooming Boris 

Yes indeedy, I cant wait for Labour to get back in, and then everything will suddenly be blooming marvelous🤣

[Barryd999]

3 hours ago, Barry Lineker said:

Yes indeedy, I cant wait for Labour to get back in, and then everything will suddenly be blooming marvelous🤣

If Labour do get back in the hilarious thing about that is that it will be Brexit and Johnsons fault.  Thats gonna be a hurty day for you. The two things you spent all these years banging on about and supporting causing the one thing that would be your worst nightmare, A labour Government! 🤣 

[Barry Lineker]

4 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

If Labour do get back in the hilarious thing about that is that it will be Brexit and Johnsons fault.  Thats gonna be a hurty day for you. The two things you spent all these years banging on about and supporting causing the one thing that would be your worst nightmare, A labour Government! 🤣 

Perhaps people will have to actually experience a Labour government, to know just how bad things can get, and to realize how much better things were when Boris and the Tories were in charge.

[Barryd999]

3 hours ago, Barry Lineker said:

Perhaps people will have to actually experience a Labour government, to know just how bad things can get, and to realize how much better things were when Boris and the Tories were in charge.

Most people have experienced a Labour government.  Tony Blair not that long ago won three landslide elections on the trot! 

One things for sure Dave, nobody will ever ever ever  ever look back and say things were better when Johnson and the ToryKippers were in power especially as I suspect the worst is yet to come.

I didnt particularly want a Labour government, least not a hard left Labour government but after Brexit and Johnson totally destroyed the Tory party thats what you will get.  Good job.

[B Dobson]

10 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Most people have experienced a Labour government.  Tony Blair not that long ago won three landslide elections on the trot! 

One things for sure Dave, nobody will ever ever ever  ever look back and say things were better when Johnson and the ToryKippers were in power especially as I suspect the worst is yet to come.

I didnt particularly want a Labour government, least not a hard left Labour government but after Brexit and Johnson totally destroyed the Tory party thats what you will get.  Good job.

Tony was a Tory . If you didn't want a hard left government why did you campaign and vote for Jeremy . I think your one of those champagne socialists with all that money you've got abroad and that rot n dole lifestyle you live . Regards 

[Barryd999]

37 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Tony was a Tory . If you didn't want a hard left government why did you campaign and vote for Jeremy . I think your one of those champagne socialists with all that money you've got abroad and that rot n dole lifestyle you live . Regards 

No he wasn't a Tory, centre left.  I wanted (As you have been told a thousand times) a coalition government of pretty much any party other than Johnsons ToryKipper Brexit party and what a shame it didn't work eh?  Nothing could have been as disastrous as what got and have now could it?  As you also know but for the benefit of anyone who hasnt heard me remind you a thousand times also, the only parties I have been a member of in my life time are the Tory party and the LibDems. 

Had we stopped Johnson we wouldnt have had a hard left government in place would we as there was no way Labour were winning on their own. 

[B Dobson]

40 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

No he wasn't a Tory, centre left.  I wanted (As you have been told a thousand times) a coalition government of pretty much any party other than Johnsons ToryKipper Brexit party and what a shame it didn't work eh?  Nothing could have been as disastrous as what got and have now could it?  As you also know but for the benefit of anyone who hasnt heard me remind you a thousand times also, the only parties I have been a member of in my life time are the Tory party and the LibDems. 

Had we stopped Johnson we wouldnt have had a hard left government in place would we as there was no way Labour were winning on their own. 

Member of The Pleb Dims and The Tories voted and campaigned for a hard left Labour government ... Anyone ever told ya how confused you are?

[Barryd999]

2 hours ago, B Dobson said:

Member of The Pleb Dims and The Tories voted and campaigned for a hard left Labour government ... Anyone ever told ya how confused you are?

But as I explained to you (Again) it wouldn't have been a hard left Labour government would it?

[Barry Lineker]

15 hours ago, Barryd999 said:

Most people have experienced a Labour government.  Tony Blair not that long ago won three landslide elections on the trot! 

One things for sure Dave, nobody will ever ever ever  ever look back and say things were better when Johnson and the ToryKippers were in power especially as I suspect the worst is yet to come.

I didnt particularly want a Labour government, least not a hard left Labour government but after Brexit and Johnson totally destroyed the Tory party thats what you will get.  Good job.

Agreed, but I wonder how many of them have whitewashed over their massive cockups like you?

I actually once voted for Blair, and I still feel ashamed about it even now.

I'll never make the mistake of falling for the Lies of a Lefty Lawyer pretending to be more Tory than the Tories again.

[Barryd999]

1 hour ago, Barry Lineker said:

Agreed, but I wonder how many of them have whitewashed over their massive cockups like you?

I actually once voted for Blair, and I still feel ashamed about it even now.

I'll never make the mistake of falling for the Lies of a Lefty Lawyer pretending to be more Tory than the Tories again.

And what "massive cockups" might they be?

Careful how you answer that remembering it was  you that voted for Brexit and Johnson and amazingly unlike the rest of the country still support both.