Tony M Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The sliding fly screen which covers the sliding door on my Globecar pvc is unusable after the cords running along the top suddenly detached themselves from whatever they had been attached to. I have managed to remove the complete fitting but can't work out where these two cords are supposed to go. Anyone have any idea how these things work? Thanks in advance, Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeco Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Hi Tony, I had a cord failure and stretched pleated fabric on my AT flyscreen door. My solution was to remove the flyscreen door & take it to the local domestic flyscreen door fabricator. He handed it back with new cord & slightly heavier pleated fabric all for a bargain price of A$130 (GBP79). The local AT guy wanted A$500 for a new door complete. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I have a Horrex pleated flyscreen which I'm repairing at the moment. In the top and bottom runners there are anchor points for the termination of the cord system. Maybe the cord has become detached. Earlier this morning I started replying with a detailed description of how the system works. However, my system crashed and I lost the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Geeco - 2017-01-10 5:04 AM Hi Tony, I had a cord failure and stretched pleated fabric on my AT flyscreen door. My solution was to remove the flyscreen door & take it to the local domestic flyscreen door fabricator. He handed it back with new cord & slightly heavier pleated fabric all for a bargain price of A$130 (GBP79). The local AT guy wanted A$500 for a new door complete. Cheers, Gary Don't think we have "domestic Fly screen Fabricators" in UK We don't have flysvreens on doors and windows here. as I guess you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I have a Horrex pleated flyscreen door with 6 horizontal cords. One of the horizontal cords broke so I removed the complete unit. The operation of the screen by the cords is quite clever and complicated - I'll try and explain. There are 2 separate cord systems. Each cord system terminates in the top or bottom rail and is anchored to a small metal slide with grub screw to allow it to be locked into place. This allows for the tension in the cord system to be adjusted. From the anchor point the cord passes to a small metal mushroom shaped post (formed by a rivet). The cord passes around this post and returns along the rail to where it enters the vertical (moving) rail. So, the cord system from the top rail controls the bottom 3 horizontal cords in the screen. And vice versa from the bottom rail. When the single cord enters the vertical moving rail, it splits into 3 cords. Assuming your screen is similar to mine, I would guess that the cord attached to the anchor point has become detached or where the cord passes around the post. I'm currently in the process of repairing mine (using fishing line) so have the complete unit in bits and pieces at the moment. PS. Managed to recover my earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Thanks for that Robbo. Mine is made by Remis and does have some similarities as the two lengths of cord which are hanging down from the top have originally been threaded through the pleated fabric at the bottom. Both ends are frayed which makes me think these were one length which has snapped. Think I'll have to take the complete unit out and have a closer look. Geeco. Thanks for your suggestion but as P Jay says it's unlikely we have anyone with such specialist knowledge of these type of flyscreens in U.K. unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Hi Tony. I would imagine the stringing configuration is similar in the Remis/Horrex flyscreens. There aren't a lot of alternatives for the system to operate like it does. Removal of my flyscreen unit (in a coachbuilt) caused a bit of head-scratching. The unit is held in place by 5 hidden studs either side. Slots in the flyscreen frame coincided with these studs. The slots incorporated a circular cutout the same diameter as the head of the stud. Once I'd released a couple of screws in the bottom rail, the whole unit could be raised (by approximately 10mm) to the level of the circular cutouts. The unit could then be removed. Horrex don't provide any customer support, they obviously expect you to buy a new screen complete when the existing one fails. It's undoubtedly a fiddly and time consuming job to repair these flyscreens but with a bit of DIY determination, it can be done. Best of luck :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Robbo- mine is a three sided frame I.e a top rail, bottom rail and one vertical section which the screen retracts into. As it's across the sliding door in a panel van conversion it's much wider than yours. Removal looks straightforward except for one thing- the kitchen unit is fitted over part of the lower rail covering some of the screws which fix the rail to the floor. They obviously don't expect these things to fail when they build the vans. Also like Horrex, Remis don't offer any after sales support. I'd be interested in hearing how you get on with the re-stringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Tony - you are quite right in saying that the converter seems to install the flyscreen first, then installs the furniture afterwards, especially in a PVC conversion. Even in my coachbuilt, I had difficulty removing the screen and had to bend it to avoid fouling the internal furniture fittings. In fact, I am considering reducing the height of the frame by 1cm so that it is easier to reinstall. The "post" I mentioned in the bottom and top rails should be located furthest from the cassette. So, in your case, where the sliding door closes. A contributor on here recommended I used braided fishing line. The fishing line I'm actually using has quite a slippery surface so should be good for the intended purpose but more difficult to tie-off at the anchor points. I'll report back when finished, hopefully with a glow of self satisfaction :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Look forward to it. Good luck!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Robbo - 2017-01-10 5:40 PM Tony - you are quite right in saying that the converter seems to install the flyscreen first, then installs the furniture afterwards, especially in a PVC conversion. Even in my coachbuilt, I had difficulty removing the screen and had to bend it to avoid fouling the internal furniture fittings. In fact, I am considering reducing the height of the frame by 1cm so that it is easier to reinstall. The "post" I mentioned in the bottom and top rails should be located furthest from the cassette. So, in your case, where the sliding door closes. A contributor on here recommended I used braided fishing line. The fishing line I'm actually using has quite a slippery surface so should be good for the intended purpose but more difficult to tie-off at the anchor points. I'll report back when finished, hopefully with a glow of self satisfaction :$ Just a suggestion, but if there is room, place a small button, or bead on the ends to help with the tying, and maybe you could fuse(HEAT) the knots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeco Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 When I read your posts re no flyscreens in UK I thought about it and none of my friends homes have flyscreens. So my suggestion was a waste of your time sorry. Flyscreens in this country are standard equipment on just about every home. My next task on the MH is to replace the stretched pleated fabric on the windows now that the door has been fixed. Good luck with your DIY repair, the fishing line idea sounds good. cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 There are some instructions for “REMIcare” door flyscreens here https://www.leisureshopdirect.com/v2/v2_pdf_side_panel.aspx?width=100%&height=100%&pageid=-1&productid=-1&pdfid=16073&iframe=true (No idea if they will help...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The most fragile part is the entrance door as a whole. Or in the side windows or in the roof. Do not use the entrance door screen if you have dogs. Keep them clean by blowing air from a vacuum cleaner at reduced pressure. Keep the rails clean that they move swiftly. Add some magic lubricate. Move them regular in your motor home. Also your curtain rails and blinds. Do not use mothballs but drive whit your motor home as much as you can. At least every week. It is not a garden house. These fly screens having a dent will never come back in straight angle either folded or not. And because they are folded they are fragile. They are not of the same material as a accordion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The most fragile part is the entrance door as a whole. Or in the side windows or in the roof. Do not use the entrance door screen if you have dogs. Keep them clean by blowing air from a vacuum cleaner at reduced pressure. Keep the rails clean that they move swiftly. Add some magic lubricate. Move them regular in your motor home. Also your curtain rails and blinds. Do not use mothballs but drive whit your motor home as much as you can. At least every week. It is not a garden house. These fly screens having a dent will never come back in straight angle either folded or not. And because they are folded they are fragile. They are not of the same material as a accordion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Thanks for the link Derek but unfortunately that applies to the spring loaded types fitted to some caravans. Information from Remis is scarce to say the least. P Jay - thanks for the suggestion but it looks like the break in the cord was in the vertical section which only has a very narrow channel and not wide enough for a knot to pass along. I've now contacted the German dealer who I bought the van from and asked them if they will send me a new screen under warranty. They are checking to see if it is covered under the 2 year Globecar warranty. As it was a standard fit from new I can't see how they could exclude it so I may have to get stroppy if they don't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Tony - I've heard of a couple of instances where owners have had their flyscreens replaced under warranty. So, fingers crossed, hope you are successful. They may insist you return the vehicle to a Globecar dealer for inspection before sanctioning a replacement screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Thanks Robbo. I hope so. I sent photos to the German dealer but if they need me to visit a Globecar dealer it won't be a problem as there is one not too far from me. Just waiting to hear back from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry McG Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 do the installation and user manuals on the Remis german site help at all? the one on operation seems to discuss “stringage" http://ww.remimobil.de/de/service/download.html if you pm me i can email them to you if you want Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Gerry Excellent advice. The two downloadable (trilingual) files likely to be most relevant should be these http://www.remimobil.de/assets/files/MundE/48912_REMImobil_MA_F-237_RZ_kl.pdf http://www.remimobil.de/assets/files/MundE/48913_REMImobil_BA_F-237_RZkl.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry McG Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Yes, those are the ones I came across earlier this morning. I knew they were available as I got them in my new van package of manuals. They are not on the remis English site but it refers the reader to the manual section on the German site. Google chrome is excellent for reading websites in a foreign language as there is an automatic translation function that converts the German website pages into English I downloaded and deleted the German and French sections from the manuals so they were English only but couldn't upload them, hence the pm and offer to email them :) G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The top and bottom stringing arrangement looks exactly the same as used on my Horrex hab door flyscreen. A new cassette would probably resolve the OP's problem but best to let Globecar carry out the necessary repairs under warranty. They may try and claim the unit has been misued, but hopefully it won't come to that. The concertina flyscreens do seem very fragile and one wonders whether they are fit for purpose in a campervan situation, especially with the overly wide opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thanks For the info Gerry. The dealer I bought from in Germany has contacted Pössl/Globecar and they have agreed that the flyscreen is covered under the warranty but they won't supply me with a replacement for me to fit myself. They say it should be done by a dealer and they are looking into the best way to resolve it. I wonder what the answer will be if they ask a UK Globecar dealer to undertake the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Derek and Gerry - that's really useful information and I only wish I had known about the possibility of the cord breaking due to overtension which is what has happened. The screen was extremely hard to open and close from new. If Globecar included the instructions for adjustment in the handbook it might save them the expense of warranty claims like mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBill Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just bought some cord of the same size, colour etc from a store in Silves. 2 Euros!! Will attempt a repair of mine this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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