jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts".[/QUOT We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. If you are going to make political comments, please don't just copy other peoples words from other forums and social media sources. Try using an original thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 747 - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. If you are going to make political comments, please don't just copy other peoples words from other forums and social media sources. Try using an original thought. Eh? If you're going to make accusations against an fm at least back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Great news ... Those who want to moan, whinge, bitch about aid can still obviously donate to the places they feel deeply about ... But they wont ... They'll just bitch ... Like they do over everything else ... Bitch on and they wont donate a penny ... Hypocrites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-25 6:42 PM Great news ... Those who want to moan, whinge, bitch about aid can still obviously donate to the places they feel deeply about ... But they wont ... They'll just bitch ... Like they do over everything else ... Bitch on and they wont donate a penny ... Hypocrites Where do you think the money thats paid in aid comes from? We already all contribute to it. Well those of us that pay tax I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-25 6:46 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-25 6:42 PM Great news ... Those who want to moan, whinge, bitch about aid can still obviously donate to the places they feel deeply about ... But they wont ... They'll just bitch ... Like they do over everything else ... Bitch on and they wont donate a penny ... Hypocrites Where do you think the money thats paid in aid comes from? We already all contribute to it. Well those of us that pay tax I suppose. Keep up Dippy ... Those contributions or legal tax obligations will now go elsewhere thank feck ... You who wants more foreign aid can pay charities direct and I am sure you will and I am sure you will post your payment slips up on here to prove me wrong wont ya ??? Wheres your deal ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. You still haven't answered the question. If you want aid to stay the same , where do you want the equivalent amount of the reduction to come from? Tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:01 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. 1)You still haven't answered the question. 2)If you want aid to stay the same , where do you want the equivalent amount of the reduction to come from? Tax? 1) Your nurses example was answered (see above).....they're going to be paying more tax. 2) You've only just asked this question hence why it couldn't be answered prior! The amount paid is so miniscule nobody ever notices it. In my 55 years of paying tax it hardly made a scratch let alone a dent in my pay. Has it affected your income to such a point you struggle to make ends meet? Our aid budget is determined by GNI so unless thats decreased it's not going to alter. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 7:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:01 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. 1)You still haven't answered the question. 2)If you want aid to stay the same , where do you want the equivalent amount of the reduction to come from? Tax? 1) Your nurses example was answered (see above).....they're going to be paying more tax. 2) You've only just asked this question hence why it couldn't be answered prior! The amount paid is so miniscule nobody ever notices it. In my 55 years of paying tax it hardly made a scratch let alone a dent in my pay. Has it affected your income to such a point you struggle to make ends meet? Our aid budget is determined by GNI so unless thats decreased it's not going to alter. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ In my 4th post above i asked .. were you happy for more tax to be paid instead or VAT to increase. Yes if Nurses have a pay rise they will pay more tax. If the amount is so " miniscule" whats the big deal in reducing it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Wales Online: Covid pandemic has caused UK plc 'lasting damage' after the worst recession for 300 years, admits Chancellor. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/covid-pandemic-caused-uk-plc-19343604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:28 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 7:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:01 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. 1)You still haven't answered the question. 2)If you want aid to stay the same , where do you want the equivalent amount of the reduction to come from? Tax? 1) Your nurses example was answered (see above).....they're going to be paying more tax. 2) You've only just asked this question hence why it couldn't be answered prior! The amount paid is so miniscule nobody ever notices it. In my 55 years of paying tax it hardly made a scratch let alone a dent in my pay. Has it affected your income to such a point you struggle to make ends meet? Our aid budget is determined by GNI so unless thats decreased it's not going to alter. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ In my 4th post above i asked .. were you happy for more tax to be paid instead or VAT to increase. Yes if Nurses have a pay rise they will pay more tax. If the amount is so " miniscule" whats the big deal in reducing it . Whilst we already have punitive taxation in UK everyone needs to pay more tax and governments know it.......the problem is as any honest politician will tell you, "it's not a vote winner". Big companies such as Google and Amazon etc aren't paying enough so that needs addressing but it never is and gets ignored in favour of chasing minnows at the bottom of the pool because they're easier. Our tax system basically needs a radical overhaul. For example, earlier in the week there was suggestion of introducing a tax on fuel to make up for the shortfall created by low emission vehicles. Great idea as those who used their vehicles the most would pay more and we could see the removal of VED (totally potty idea anyway). Except no.....they want to keep VED in place, AND the 60% fuel duty, AND the 20% VAT. There is 'no deal' in reducing foreign aid in my book.....it's a complete non-starter for me as it put the country on the world stage as a caring nation but that seems to have flown out the window since Brexit. I fail to understand the logic of anyone complaining about such a tiny sum which if honest, wouldn't have a clue how much they personally contribute. And as for non-taxpayers moaning about it....they have no right to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 8:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:28 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 7:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 7:01 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 6:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 5:38 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". We will already have more tax to pay for covid,are you suggesting everyone just pays even more or increase of VAT . Just keeping to the same aid percentage because it may look good on the world stage is nuts economics. Not as nuts as funding Brexit which has already cost billions more than 47 years of membership cost us and will cost billions more to maintain. The 0.7% target to foreign aid, which we only ever achieved once, is miniscule by comparison and remember it was set in law by this government so yet another example of them breaking their own laws. Morally, politically and legally it's wrong. Not actually set in stone as there were 3 reasons included in the law for reducing it. One of which was something like covid coming along. Not really much of a reason to keep it, just because Brexit has a cost. So what do you want...more tax ....more VAT ...what? UK is first G7 nation to enshrine in law commitment to UN development spending goal The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/mar/09/uk-passes-bill-law-aid-target-percentage-income It is allowed to be altered as i indicated. You still haven't answered my question. Are you happy for ,as an example, nurses paying even more tax or increased VAT. Would it matter to them if we paid less to India or China in aid. They will be paying more from next year on since getting a 3% pay increase. 1)You still haven't answered the question. 2)If you want aid to stay the same , where do you want the equivalent amount of the reduction to come from? Tax? 1) Your nurses example was answered (see above).....they're going to be paying more tax. 2) You've only just asked this question hence why it couldn't be answered prior! The amount paid is so miniscule nobody ever notices it. In my 55 years of paying tax it hardly made a scratch let alone a dent in my pay. Has it affected your income to such a point you struggle to make ends meet? Our aid budget is determined by GNI so unless thats decreased it's not going to alter. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ In my 4th post above i asked .. were you happy for more tax to be paid instead or VAT to increase. Yes if Nurses have a pay rise they will pay more tax. If the amount is so " miniscule" whats the big deal in reducing it . Whilst we already have punitive taxation in UK everyone needs to pay more tax and governments know it.......the problem is as any honest politician will tell you, "it's not a vote winner". Big companies such as Google and Amazon etc aren't paying enough so that needs addressing but it never is and gets ignored in favour of chasing minnows at the bottom of the pool because they're easier. Our tax system basically needs a radical overhaul. For example, earlier in the week there was suggestion of introducing a tax on fuel to make up for the shortfall created by low emission vehicles. Great idea as those who used their vehicles the most would pay more and we could see the removal of VED (totally potty idea anyway). Except no.....they want to keep VED in place, AND the 60% fuel duty, AND the 20% VAT. There is 'no deal' in reducing foreign aid in my book.....it's a complete non-starter for me as it put the country on the world stage as a caring nation but that seems to have flown out the window since Brexit. I fail to understand the logic of anyone complaining about such a tiny sum which if honest, wouldn't have a clue how much they personally contribute. And as for non-taxpayers moaning about it....they have no right to. Personally I'm in favour of more Taxation as we have to pay for public services. The Chancellor is reducing the aid budget from 0.7% to 0.5% i don't think that will have a devastating effect on our image in the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-25 4:24 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-25 4:03 PM BBC News - Spending review: Rishi Sunak cuts overseas aid budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55064019 Surely just common sense. Confirmation of UK's descent to a third world banana republic status after Tories went on madcap spree spaffing billions off to their Tory chums for dodgy "ppe contracts". What does that make France then? They give less than the UK in foreign aid. Germany only gives fractionally more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 No ones stopping wealthy individuals with motorhomes from donating to the supposed needy are they ??? ... Donating is easy, nearly as easy as whinging and bitching but it would seem not quite as satisfying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Would be nice to give more in foreign aid. Especially nice for the politicians going abroad being treated like royalty when they are dishing out someone else's money. But we have poverty at home. And it looks like getting worse. Mainly due to the money BoJo has spaffed away to his cronies on useless PPE, and Brexit. Can't tax the rich because they remain cocooned in Her Majesty's Tax Havens, immune from an EU wide tax treaty because of Brexit. So it looks like more stealth taxes on the struggling poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 So should we be taxing the poor in Britain to give to the supposed poor abroad. ..considering the Government will screw that up like everything else? (I.m talking about stealth taxes like VAT, tax on lorries etc that goes on the price of goods.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 John52 - 2020-11-26 8:26 AM So should we be taxing the poor in Britain to give to the supposed poor abroad. ..considering the Government will screw that up like everything else? (I.m talking about stealth taxes like VAT, tax on lorries etc that goes on the price of goods.) Cant say I've noticed I've been taxed more? ;-) ......... But then again I don't keep my dosh abroad >:-) ........ My dosh is doing something useful by being used by the government via Premium Bonds B-) .......... I suspect its also earned/won me more than yours :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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