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userStuartO
Posted: 20 December 2018 4:07 PM
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I suppose we're going to get copycat attacks at other airports next.

My grandson has a £1500 drone which has amazing functionality and if he was inclined to overfly an airport runway, night or day, I'm pretty sure he could do it. I'm sure he could dodge in and out and hide too, causing chaos for hours or even days if he wanted to. Fortunately he's pretty responsible about the way he uses it.

I suspect it's going to be quite a challenge (and quite a cost) to develop and install reliable technology to prevent attacks like these, even if some drones do have built in geofencing clealry the defence system will need to be able to deal with those which haven't. No idea whether the Army has the means to deal with airport-invading drones but I suspect not.

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Posted: 20 December 2018 5:09 PM
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Drones possibly operate on known radio freqencies and I wonder why jamming their reception has not been tried, especially when they are airborn and away from both their operator and other people? The loss of the drone might be a good incentive not to do it?
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Posted: 20 December 2018 5:22 PM
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Prolly summat to do with Brexit
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Posted: 20 December 2018 5:31 PM
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There was a drone expert on the radio at lunchtime who reckoned these drones shouldnt be able to overfly airports because of some technology that stops them overflying the airport and he reckoned they must have been tampered with to bypass this.

I dunno why the coppers just didnt shoot them down. They say they were worried about stray bullets but all they need is a couple of big four bore shotguns (The kind used to hit Geese). Job done.
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Posted: 20 December 2018 7:34 PM
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I think it’s the risk of debris on the runway amd puncturing 747 tyres.

Ought to be able to clear up, time to stop finding reasons not to act decisively.

This Conservative admin all over

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Posted: 20 December 2018 9:14 PM
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Channel 4 news led with it tonight Alan and it's certainly looking very serious. Caused chaos through all flights to and from Gatwick with all planes having to be grounded affecting thousands of passengers.

Apparently ministers have been slow to re-act.....after all they've got far more serious issues to contend with over two words. But now they've brought the military in. The rate we're heading the country will end up as a military dictatorship!

Probably it's a test run to get passengers used to airline "travel" if the loony lot get their way. A British guy from Nigeria said Gatwick is more like a third world country so it looks like the loony lot have started early in their desire to become "third country" citizens.

https://www.channel4.com/news/drones-leave-tens-of-thousands-stranded-at-gatwick-as-military-brought-in
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Posted: 20 December 2018 9:19 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-20 9:14 PM


Channel 4 news led with it tonight Alan and it's certainly looking very serious. Caused chaos through all flights to and from Gatwick with all planes having to be grounded affecting thousands of passengers.

Apparently ministers have been slow to re-act.....after all they've got far more serious issues to contend with over two words. But now they've brought the military in. The rate we're heading the country will end up as a military dictatorship!

Probably it's a test run to get passengers used to airline "travel" if the loony lot get their way. A British guy from Nigeria said Gatwick is more like a third world country so it looks like the loony lot have started early in their desire to become "third country" citizens.

https://www.channel4.com/news/drones-leave-tens-of-thousands-stranded-at-gatwick-as-military-brought-in


Yep I was right ... Its all Brexit fault
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Posted: 20 December 2018 9:38 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-20 9:19 PM

Yep I was right ... Its all Brexit fault


I dare say your tongue was well into your cheek, but why would that be so?

Shouldn’t believe everything you read on here.

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Posted: 20 December 2018 10:19 PM
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Drone problem solved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmgTBjK_aZ0

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Posted: 20 December 2018 11:19 PM
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Drone culprit finally identified. Just as i thought, when questioned by police she explained her coalition of chaos had decided to get passengers used to third country airline "travel".



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Posted: 20 December 2018 11:51 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-20 5:31 PM

There was a drone expert on the radio at lunchtime who reckoned these drones shouldnt be able to overfly airports because of some technology that stops them overflying the airport and he reckoned they must have been tampered with to bypass this.

I dunno why the coppers just didnt shoot them down. They say they were worried about stray bullets but all they need is a couple of big four bore shotguns (The kind used to hit Geese). Job done.


Something like Coropral Jones rocket launcher in Dad's Army
People tend to forget that whatever you fire up into the air comes back down again with similar force.
If they are shooting birds they do it over unpopulated private land
Hard enough to hit an aircraft, let alone something the size of a drone.
I read British anti aircraft gunners in the Blitz did more damage than the Luftwaffe - but of course it would all be blamed on them..
Even when they had no chance of hitting German planes they were told to keep firing to keep up morale

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Posted: 21 December 2018 12:00 AM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-20 5:22 PM

Prolly summat to do with Brexit


You can only spin Corbyn's alleged 'silly woman' remark for so long before you need another diversion from Brexit chaos
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Posted: 21 December 2018 6:21 AM
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John52 - 2018-12-21 12:00 AM

antony1969 - 2018-12-20 5:22 PM

Prolly summat to do with Brexit


You can only spin Corbyn's alleged 'silly woman' remark for so long before you need another diversion from Brexit chaos


Stupid Woman actually ... You concentrate on looking after those housing crisis kids youve put up or go back to sleep ... Choice is yours
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Posted: 21 December 2018 8:25 AM
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The RAF have a standing need to defend their airfields and that's what the RAF Regiment exists for, so if they had been keeping their planning and provision up to date (and the politicians had allowed them the budget) they would presumably have been able to turn up at Gatwick with a ready-made solution. Electronic warfare (eg jamming radios etc) has been going on for years and is well advanced by now as a military activity but whether it has been developed for protecting airports from the wide variety of drones which might turn up is another matter.

In practice the RAF won't have been given the money, or certainly not in good time, so that turning up ready and equipped wasn't an option and both the police and the military were left with having to wing it using what they've already got. Likewise the various Ministries involved will be discovered to have had their fingers well and truely in, and will have done little of no planning for drones - and their excuse will be the pressures of Brexit. The Army have however been called in and they, bereft of suitable technology, may be simply occupying ground around the Gatwick perimeter, with the aim, perhaps, of shooting drones down if they are seen. But that presents safety issues because shotguns are short range and high muzzle velocity rifle bullets go a long, long way and land somewhere still going fast enough to kill someone when they miss the intended target, so that's not straightforward. Nor, it's clear to see, have Gatwick Management planned for this situation; either that or their plan was fanciful and didn't work. Maybe they had done as little as planning to close the airfield on site of a drone and call the police.

So we're left with the need to prevent more drone flying by this particular baddie by deploying overwhelming numbers of police and troops around the Airport - and unless we do the same at all the other big airports, the baddie will still have the option to move to another one. The companies which do offer potentially useful technology will presumably be rubbing their hands with glee - and might even have planned this attack for their commercial purposes, to generate the business which will now almost certainly come their way. It might of course turn out to have be a coordinated attack by the Russians or Chinese but it might also turn out to have been a single environmental activist, possible with only one drone and working from the boot of his environmentally friendly car.

The news this morning is that Gatwick has reopenned so presumably someone has decidied that one drone, a mere speck in the sky, can do limited damage, so it's reasonable to crack on with some flying.

Edited by StuartO 2018-12-21 8:37 AM
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Posted: 21 December 2018 11:48 AM
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Kinda makes ya wonder if a remoaner was behind the controls of that drone ??? Chief whinger Adonis tells us its guna be like that after Brexit so heres a taste ... https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1075785675046297600 ... Bet it was Toneeee Bliar at the controls

Edited by antony1969 2018-12-21 11:49 AM
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Posted: 21 December 2018 12:27 PM
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There seems to be a competition going on at the moment between the Brexiteers and the Remainiacs to see who can talk the most nonsense.

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Posted: 21 December 2018 2:18 PM
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Anti Drone device

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1FrFVLmdOs

Seems legit as well. https://www.droneshield.com/how-droneshield-works

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Posted: 21 December 2018 2:41 PM
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malc d - 2018-12-21 12:27 PM

There seems to be a competition going on at the moment between the Brexiteers and the Remainiacs to see who can talk the most nonsense.



To be fair the Remoaners won that competition years ago ...........

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Posted: 21 December 2018 4:44 PM
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StuartO - 2018-12-21 8:25 AM

So we're left with the need to prevent more drone flying by this particular baddie by deploying overwhelming numbers of police and troops around the Airport - and unless we do the same at all the other big airports, the baddie will still have the option to move to another one.

Exactly this point was raised on the Vine programme this morning which asked the question, why shut down only Gatwick when those things can be landed, packed in a car boot and pop up at Heathrow (30 minutes away) with incoming flights every 30 seconds.

This news, along with our silly parliament, has gone global and a US guy posted a link about a case there involving a man who shot down a drone over his house because he suspected it was "spying" on his 16 year old daughter sunbathing! Gun guy got arrested for wanton endangerment and criminal mischief only for the judge to dismiss all charges against him in court.

Quite a funny story really.

https://www.cnet.com/news/judge-rules-man-had-right-to-shoot-down-drone-over-his-house/
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Posted: 21 December 2018 5:10 PM
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Police now identified "persons of interest".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/21/gatwick-airport-reopens-limited-number-of-flights-drone-disruption

If charges are brought it won't be the first case. This chap got done four years ago after his drone lost radio contact and went rogue. Unfortunately for him it cost him £4,300!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/02/uk-first-drone-conviction
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Posted: 21 December 2018 5:40 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-21 2:18 PM

Anti Drone device

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1FrFVLmdOs

Seems legit as well. https://www.droneshield.com/how-droneshield-works



Do they have one that repels Bullets drone? ..........

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Posted: 21 December 2018 6:16 PM
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Ok it's now official.....the loonies definitely are on the path!

Earlier today police announce they are investigating "persons of interest".....just now on breaking news, Gatwick grounded again after a "suspected drone sighting".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46654797
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Posted: 21 December 2018 8:34 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-21 2:41 PM

malc d - 2018-12-21 12:27 PM

There seems to be a competition going on at the moment between the Brexiteers and the Remainiacs to see who can talk the most nonsense.



To be fair the Remoaners won that competition years ago ...........





I knew I could rely on Dave to post an example to prove my point.



Edited by malc d 2018-12-21 8:38 PM
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Posted: 21 December 2018 9:24 PM
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malc d - 2018-12-21 8:34 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-21 2:41 PM

malc d - 2018-12-21 12:27 PM

There seems to be a competition going on at the moment between the Brexiteers and the Remainiacs to see who can talk the most nonsense.



To be fair the Remoaners won that competition years ago ...........



I knew I could rely on Dave to post an example to prove my point.


He doesn't do logic when he's sober but one glass of wine and he's off with the fairies in his parallel universe.
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Posted: 21 December 2018 10:59 PM
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If the DM is to be believed!

"Police had been seen with an off-the-shelf DJI system that tracks drones.

It is thought that the Gatwick drone was hacked or a non-DJI UAV.

Army technology was then brought in to tackle the UAV with the 'Drone Dome'.

The British military bought six of these systems in 2018 for £15.8 million. They are used in Syria to destroy ISIS UAVs and have a range of 2.1 to 6.2 miles."


Well that worked out well didn't it? £15.8 million quid couldn't outsmart the Gatwick Drone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6519211/The-2-6m-Israeli-Drone-Dome-Army-used-defeat-Gatwick-UAV.html
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Posted: 22 December 2018 9:56 AM
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I see they got im!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/VkM1BGnn/DRONE-6.jpg
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Posted: 22 December 2018 2:01 PM
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The Times this morning reports that the technology capable for neutralising a drone attacking an airfield was deployed at Gatwick by the Army when it was loaned to them by a civilian company. Current legislation prevents civilian authorities like airports from using anything which interferes with radio signals (which is necessary to neutralise a drone) and changes to legislation meant to include new provisions of this sort was abandoned by the Department of Transport in early 2018 when staff were redirected to work on Brexit. The Transport Minister, Chris Grayling, is the minister responsible.

The technology in question is said to be capable of detecting and neutralising a drone threatening and airport within 15 seconds. Radar is then used to spot the drone and radio interference is used to disable it. This technology cannot be used by airports until the Government changes the legislation to allow them to.

The arrest of two people near gatwick at 2200 last night was an hour or so after the Airport closed again because of drone activity, so it might have followed an attempt by them to mount another drone incursion of which the launch location was quickly detected.

It sounds like Chris Grayling should be carrying the can.
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Posted: 22 December 2018 3:59 PM
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A 47-year-old man and 54-year-old woman from Crawley arrested. If it's only involving two people, how many damn battery packs did they have for this thing as it was suggested more than one drone had been operating?

It's also to be hoped the drone comes up to the description of "commercial" otherwise all cheap toy drones will be the next thing banned in Britain!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46658868
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Posted: 22 December 2018 4:28 PM
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My son bought a high-end hobby drone fro around £1500 which came with three batteries, each giving about 30 mins duration of flight. These things are amazingly clever.

It folds it arms and slips into a satchel, with everything. Very high spec camera and very clever software - including presumably the geofence to prevent flying over forbidden areas. The batteries are rechargeable from a car as well as from mains; I think a charge takes a few hours. It can fly up to 5km from the launch point without loosing touch with the controller - although of course the rule is that you have to keep it within visual range, which will be less.
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Posted: 22 December 2018 5:18 PM
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£1500?? I've just bought a car for less than that! It's also "very clever"....auto lights, auto wipers, cruise control, climate control, air-con, parking sensors and goodness knows what else (only found out the other day it has auto wipers when the damn things suddenly burst into life!). Mind you it can't fly......though goes like a rocket when the afterburner kicks in!

The "commercial" type which they've been reporting this is, afaik are used a lot by tv film companies on documentary work to get shots which would be awkward or inaccessible to a camera crew, and also dramatic shots you wouldn't see from the ground.

If this couple are the culprits then perhaps we will soon know more about exactly what equipment they were using. Also what there point was as the only possible i know of is locals objecting to the planned airport expansion.
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