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userpelmetman
Posted: 6 March 2019 8:03 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:41 PM
Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM
Still waiting for an answer from you on this;
In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.

Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????.........
Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? .......
Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb .......

The average GDP per employee in 2010 was just under £76,000 per year, according to the World Bank. The motor industry is one of the most efficient and capital intensive parts of British industry, so less then double the national average (even without allowing for eight years of growth in the meantime) doesn't seem outlandish to me. What's not to believe?


Oh the average .........Including the umpteen million earned by those in charge......and the peanuts by those at the bottom ........

Dontcha just love statistics ...........Coz you can make any old sh*t add up ........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-03-06 8:05 PM
userFast Pat
Posted: 6 March 2019 8:20 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:03 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:41 PM
Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM
Still waiting for an answer from you on this;
In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.

Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????.........
Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? .......
Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb .......

The average GDP per employee in 2010 was just under £76,000 per year, according to the World Bank. The motor industry is one of the most efficient and capital intensive parts of British industry, so less then double the national average (even without allowing for eight years of growth in the meantime) doesn't seem outlandish to me. What's not to believe?


Oh the average .........Including the umpteen million earned by those in charge......and the peanuts by those at the bottom ........

Dontcha just love statistics ...........Coz you can make any old sh*t add up ........



See you're showing your ignorance again, go and look up the difference of average GDP per employee and average pay per employee. Quick clue - they're a little bit different.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 6 March 2019 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:03 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 7:58 PM
pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:41 PM
Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM
Still waiting for an answer from you on this;
In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.

Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????.........
Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? .......
Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb .......

The average GDP per employee in 2010 was just under £76,000 per year, according to the World Bank. The motor industry is one of the most efficient and capital intensive parts of British industry, so less then double the national average (even without allowing for eight years of growth in the meantime) doesn't seem outlandish to me. What's not to believe?

Oh the average .........Including the umpteen million earned by those in charge......and the peanuts by those at the bottom ........
Dontcha just love statistics ...........Coz you can make any old sh*t add up ........

Well, the figure for the motor industry will also be an average, so the comparison should be like for like, or very close. What's your beef against £130k per employee?
userpelmetman
Posted: 6 March 2019 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn
userBulletguy
Posted: 6 March 2019 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

So you're attempting to dispute what the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders the officially recognised trade association for the United Kingdom motor industry, has said?

Wow......you're well out of your depth Pelmetplonker.


UK automotive manufacturers turn over £77.5 billion in 2016 – the highest on record.

Workforce productivity at a record high, with 11.8 vehicles produced per employee

UK Automotive’s 18th annual Sustainability Report reveals the manufacturing sector turned over a record £77.5 billion in 2016,

UK car and commercial vehicle production and new vehicle registration volumes grew to record levels in 2016, up 8.9% and 0.2% respectively. Meanwhile, employment in manufacturing remained stable at 169,000 jobs, resulting in productivity reaching a record high of 11.8 vehicles produced for each person employed in the industry.

The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

The record turnover by UK motor manufacturing represents a 9.0% increase on 2015, with the additional value added to the UK economy rising 7.3% to £21.5 billion. The industry also upped its investment in innovation, with R&D spend reaching £2.75 billion last year, up from £2.5 billion in 2015.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/06/uk-automotive-achieves-record-turnover-77-5-billion-marking-seventh-consecutive-year-growth/

Now........you still haven't given any suggestions as how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss?

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-03-06 9:07 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 6 March 2019 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 9:06 PM

The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.



130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........

Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........





Edited by pelmetman 2019-03-06 9:47 PM
userFast Pat
Posted: 6 March 2019 9:47 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.
userpelmetman
Posted: 6 March 2019 9:53 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


So how many of your 17 employees are on a £130k a year? .........

userpelmetman
Posted: 6 March 2019 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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Fast Pat - 2019-03-06 9:47 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........

userBulletguy
Posted: 6 March 2019 10:04 PM
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The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.



130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........

Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Oh FGS Pelmethead you're just being purposely obtuse and disingenuous now with silly deflections and sidetracking.


Still no suggestions as how you believe losing just part of that £21.5 billion to UK economy from UK automotive industry due to Brexit, our economy will not suffer, and exactly how you intend to make up the loss?
userFast Pat
Posted: 6 March 2019 10:04 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 9:57 PM

Fast Pat - 2019-03-06 9:47 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.
userBulletguy
Posted: 6 March 2019 10:08 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.

userpelmetman
Posted: 7 March 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: More jobs now at risk over Brexit
 


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Fast Pat - 2019-03-06 10:04 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 9:57 PM

Fast Pat - 2019-03-06 9:47 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........

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Posted: 7 March 2019 8:30 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........



You have just proved yourself even more stupid. "each generating more than £130k to the local economy", it does NOT say they earned £130k, now go and look up GDP.
userpelmetman
Posted: 7 March 2019 8:36 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 8:52 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........



You have just proved yourself even more stupid. "each generating more than £130k to the local economy", it does NOT say they earned £130k, now go and look up GDP.


So using that same logic ..........

The 4000 EU criminals in our jails are EACH generating at least £60k a year for the local economy .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-03-07 8:37 AM
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What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........



You have just proved yourself even more stupid. "each generating more than £130k to the local economy", it does NOT say they earned £130k, now go and look up GDP.


So using that same logic ..........

The 4000 EU criminals in our jails are EACH generating at least £60k a year for the local economy .........



I'll take your glib response as a realisation of how stupid you have been. And that you finally understand a little bit of what the difference is between GDP and earnings.
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Posted: 7 March 2019 8:52 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-06 8:23 PM
What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........



You have just proved yourself even more stupid. "each generating more than £130k to the local economy", it does NOT say they earned £130k, now go and look up GDP.


So using that same logic ..........

The 4000 EU criminals in our jails are EACH generating at least £60k a year for the local economy .........



I'll take your glib response as a realisation of how stupid you have been. And that you finally understand a little bit of what the difference is between GDP and earnings.


I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



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I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



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I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



"I don't understand how anything works, but I have very strong opinions about it!"


The first honest thing youve said ... Well done ... At least you know your limits
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I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



"I don't understand how anything works, but I have very strong opinions about it!"


The first honest thing youve said ... Well done ... At least you know your limits


Another one who doesn't understand basic comprehension - is English a second language to you Anthhhhhhhhhhhhhony?
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What's your beef against £130k per employee?


Because its a load of boll*cks ............

UK
Annual production (2015): 1.5 million
Est. annual salary: $37,000 (£39,800)
GDP per head: $47,000 (£37,800)

The average annual wage for a UK production worker on unionised sites is £30,250, although there’s no indication as to who – Honda, JLR, Nissan, Toyota or Vauxhall – pays the highest salaries. A JLR spokeswoman hinted it pays better than any other UK-based firm, and went further still by claiming its car workers are among the highest paid in Europe – but it flatly refused to go into details.

Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/98986/the-global-car-manufacturing-wage-gap-what-do-car-factory-workers-earn


The GDP you've quoted is per capita - divided by the whole population including oxygen thieves like yourself, not per active worker.

See another thing you know nothing about.


Did you not read this bit? .........

"Several ‘production operator’ jobs were recently up for grabs at JLR, ranging from £13,897 to £39,100. The SMMT also told us the average rate is 22.30 Euros (£19.07) per hour in the UK. Assuming a 40-hour week, this equates to around £39,800 annually. "

See I know a bullsh*tter when I see one ........



For gods sake go and look up what GDP, GDP per capita and GDP per active employee. It's not the same as average pay. Which is what you, in your ignorance, are confusing it with.


I know exactly what the difference is ............

I'm flagging up that your mate Dumb Dumb is trying to suggest that £130k is the average wage for UK car workers by making statements like this ......

"In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy"

When the truth is the average 2017 car workers wage is less than £40k ..........Which is less than I was earning as a "Curtain Muncher" in the 90's ..........



You have just proved yourself even more stupid. "each generating more than £130k to the local economy", it does NOT say they earned £130k, now go and look up GDP.

His lightbulb went out years ago....even a candle barely flickers now.
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I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



"I don't understand how anything works, but I have very strong opinions about it!"


The first honest thing youve said ... Well done ... At least you know your limits


Another one who doesn't understand basic comprehension - is English a second language to you Anthhhhhhhhhhhhhony?

He thinks inverted commas are morse code.
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pelmetman - 2019-03-07 8:52 AM

I'll take it my analogy is correct? ...........



"I don't understand how anything works, but I have very strong opinions about it!"


So are those 4000 EU citizens in our prisons not contributing to the local economy GDP by creating employment for prison officers?.....police officers?.......solicitors?........judges?.........court staff?......etc etc? ........

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The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........
Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Dave, you've got this all round your neck!

GDP per capita does not represent what the employee is paid, it represents what, on average, the employee generates for their employer. GDP = Gross Domestic Product, it is not the pay bill.
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pelmetman - 2019-03-07 8:48 PM...............….So are those 4000 EU citizens in our prisons not contributing to the local economy GDP by creating employment for prison officers?.....police officers?.......solicitors?........judges?.........court staff?......etc etc? ........

Now you're being really silly, Dave.

The only thing that can be said for the 4,000 (or whatever) EU citizens in jail who you're trying to hide behind, is that they contribute absolutely nothing to the GDP of the motor industry, or to the UK in general, because (please check the title of the string) they aren't in employment, so are irrelevant to losses of jobs.

So, for the record, your analogy a) fails even to qualify as an analogy but in addition is, b) profoundly wrong and c) totally irrelevant.

Do you actually believe the crud you write?
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The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........
Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Dave, you've got this all round your neck!

GDP per capita does not represent what the employee is paid, it represents what, on average, the employee generates for their employer. GDP = Gross Domestic Product, it is not the pay bill.


So are those 4000 EU prisoners not generating GDP? .........

Where the police officers NOT being paid when they arrested them?.......Are prison officers NOT being paid to look after them?........are solicitors NOT getting money off the tax payer to defend them?.........Was the judge NOT paid to for their trial?..........Were the court officials NOT being paid?.........

Is the income of all those above NOT included in UK GDP? ..........

It seems to me EU criminals prolly generate more than a 130k a year GDP for the UK economy .......



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pelmetman - 2019-03-08 2:16 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 9:06 PM
The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........
Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Dave, you've got this all round your neck!
GDP per capita does not represent what the employee is paid, it represents what, on average, the employee generates for their employer. GDP = Gross Domestic Product, it is not the pay bill.

So are those 4000 EU prisoners not generating GDP? .........
Where the police officers NOT being paid when they arrested them?.......Are prison officers NOT being paid to look after them?........are solicitors NOT getting money off the tax payer to defend them?.........Was the judge NOT paid to for their trial?..........Were the court officials NOT being paid?.........
Is the income of all those above NOT included in UK GDP? ..........
It seems to me EU criminals prolly generate more than a 130k a year GDP for the UK economy .......

So the richest country in the world would be the one with the highest proportion of its population in prison? Have you checked this compelling theory? 'Strewth!
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Posted: 8 March 2019 2:39 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-06 9:46 PM
Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 9:06 PM
The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........
Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Dave, you've got this all round your neck!
GDP per capita does not represent what the employee is paid, it represents what, on average, the employee generates for their employer. GDP = Gross Domestic Product, it is not the pay bill.

So are those 4000 EU prisoners not generating GDP? .........
Where the police officers NOT being paid when they arrested them?.......Are prison officers NOT being paid to look after them?........are solicitors NOT getting money off the tax payer to defend them?.........Was the judge NOT paid to for their trial?..........Were the court officials NOT being paid?.........
Is the income of all those above NOT included in UK GDP? ..........
It seems to me EU criminals prolly generate more than a 130k a year GDP for the UK economy .......

So the richest country in the world would be the one with the highest proportion of its population in prison? Have you checked this compelling theory? 'Strewth!


Nope ...........

I'm just demonstrating that using gdp to inflate car workers wages from £39k a year to 130k is a deceit .......

Unless you care to explain how £39k can possibly become worth £130k in a year? ..........

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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-08 2:03 PM

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The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

130k......Generated for the economy?.......Really? ..........
Using that argument those 4000 EU criminals in our prisons are prolly generating more money for the UK economy ........

Dave, you've got this all round your neck!

GDP per capita does not represent what the employee is paid, it represents what, on average, the employee generates for their employer. GDP = Gross Domestic Product, it is not the pay bill.

I wish it would throttle him!


Brian Kirby - 2019-03-08 2:14 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-07 8:48 PM...............….So are those 4000 EU citizens in our prisons not contributing to the local economy GDP by creating employment for prison officers?.....police officers?.......solicitors?........judges?.........court staff?......etc etc? ........

Now you're being really silly, Dave.

The only thing that can be said for the 4,000 (or whatever) EU citizens in jail who you're trying to hide behind, is that they contribute absolutely nothing to the GDP of the motor industry, or to the UK in general, because (please check the title of the string) they aren't in employment, so are irrelevant to losses of jobs.

So, for the record, your analogy a) fails even to qualify as an analogy but in addition is, b) profoundly wrong and c) totally irrelevant.

Do you actually believe the crud you write?

Yes he does as you can see from his last post not one word of what either you or FP has tried very hard to explain in simple basics, has sunk in. I gave up on him long back when he drew the wild conclusion i was referring to employee income levels!

Easy to see why that Pelmet "business" went down the pan.
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