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userantony1969
Posted: 1 January 2019 7:39 PM
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Those fleeing France are desperate ... Thieving French fishermans boats ... https://news.sky.com/story/14-migrants-accused-of-trying-to-steal-french-trawler-11596213 ... Let em in
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Posted: 1 January 2019 9:12 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

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Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 6:56 PM

The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.
userantony1969
Posted: 2 January 2019 6:16 AM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 9:12 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 4:47 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-01 8:08 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 12:39 AM

antony1969 - 2018-12-31 10:30 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 6:56 PM

The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling
userantony1969
Posted: 2 January 2019 6:24 AM
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What a surprise ... Muslim terrorist held under mental health laws ... https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-victoria-station-stabbings-suspect-held-under-mental-health-act-11596556 ... Managed to shout Allah , Allahu Akbar and long live the caliphate after the attack though ... Lovely people
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Posted: 2 January 2019 2:25 PM
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Back on topic, the Brexiteers wont be happy I imagine that the hard Brexit they seek will probably see us out of the Dublin agreement and quite possibly the Le Touquet agreement.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-will-scrap-the-rules-that-let-britain-turn-back-channel-asylum-seekers-a4028526.html

"Brexit will reduce Britain’s ability to send asylum seekers who cross the Channel in unsafe dinghies back to France, a former head of immigration enforcement warned today.

Amid claims that the dangerous sea crossings will multiply unless migrants are seen being returned, the ex-senior Home Office official said leaving the EU would end current agreements designed to deter such attempts."

Add to that the fact that there is a very good chance in a no deal Brexit that the Le Touquet agreement could get torn up and our borders removed from French soil and with the added chaos at our ports it looks like the perfect opportunity for many more asylum seekers and economic migrants to find their way into the UK.
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Posted: 2 January 2019 3:03 PM
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... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all
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Posted: 2 January 2019 3:51 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 6:16 AM

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antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 4:47 PM

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!
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Posted: 2 January 2019 3:54 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 2:25 PM

Back on topic, the Brexiteers wont be happy I imagine that the hard Brexit they seek will probably see us out of the Dublin agreement and quite possibly the Le Touquet agreement.

I can't understand what they're all so angry about......after all they keep telling everyone they "won" but they don't seem very happy at all.

Can't think why.
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Posted: 2 January 2019 4:03 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 3:03 PM

... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all


Christ that bloke is a massive bell end. There is no real obligation for them to do so although there is an agreement that states they should. He should be grateful that we dont have a massive refugee crisis here and in comparison to the countries he talks about we take in hardly any refugees / asylum seekers. Somehow I dont imagine Italy is a good bet for them anymore which is likely the first country they got to or Greece which is also not safe for asylum seekers.

France would be a good choice and they have been more relaxed about asylum seekers than we have of late and generally they are looked after better there than they would be in the UK so yes there has to be a genuine reason why anyone would choose to put their lives at further risk to make that perilous last 22 mile crossing to the UK. Its not like we are giving off an impression that we welcome immigrants these days is it?
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Posted: 2 January 2019 4:23 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 4:03 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 3:03 PM

... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all


Christ that bloke is a massive bell end. There is no real obligation for them to do so although there is an agreement that states they should. He should be grateful that we dont have a massive refugee crisis here and in comparison to the countries he talks about we take in hardly any refugees / asylum seekers. Somehow I dont imagine Italy is a good bet for them anymore which is likely the first country they got to or Greece which is also not safe for asylum seekers.

France would be a good choice and they have been more relaxed about asylum seekers than we have of late and generally they are looked after better there than they would be in the UK so yes there has to be a genuine reason why anyone would choose to put their lives at further risk to make that perilous last 22 mile crossing to the UK. Its not like we are giving off an impression that we welcome immigrants these days is it?


Takes a "bell end" to know a "bell end" I suppose ... You live in an utter fantasy world fella ... I suppose their coming for the good old British weather ... Your "bell end" is leaking ... Drip , drip ,drip
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Posted: 2 January 2019 4:26 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-02 3:51 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 6:16 AM

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antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 4:47 PM

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???
userantony1969
Posted: 2 January 2019 5:17 PM
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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html

Edited by antony1969 2019-01-02 5:29 PM
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Posted: 2 January 2019 5:43 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 5:17 PM

Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-02 5:44 PM
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Posted: 2 January 2019 6:28 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 4:26 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-02 3:51 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 6:16 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 9:12 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 4:47 PM

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???

I don't have any "plot" to lose......unlike you with your insults, pathetic name calling, snide innuendo's, baiting, and constantly chucking your toys out the pram.
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Posted: 2 January 2019 6:29 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 5:43 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 5:17 PM

Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........

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Posted: 2 January 2019 6:47 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 5:17 PM

Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........



Do you mean we cant stop anyone from entering the UK Dave? You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario. Same applies at Schengen borders. We can also stop them at our borders as well as we have proper borders which amazingly we DO have control over as long as we know they are terrorists or potential terrorists of course which again we have more chance of knowing if we are working closer with our EU security partners.

Anyone who thinks Brexit will make us safer or have more control over who comes here is sadly mistaken.
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Posted: 2 January 2019 7:02 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-02 6:28 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 4:26 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-02 3:51 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 6:16 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 9:12 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-01 7:23 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-01 4:47 PM

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???

I don't have any "plot" to lose......unlike you with your insults, pathetic name calling, snide innuendo's, baiting, and constantly chucking your toys out the pram.


Take it thats a no then ... Lordy , some people
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Posted: 2 January 2019 7:07 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 6:47 PM

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 5:43 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-02 5:17 PM

Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........



Do you mean we cant stop anyone from entering the UK Dave? You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario. Same applies at Schengen borders. We can also stop them at our borders as well as we have proper borders which amazingly we DO have control over as long as we know they are terrorists or potential terrorists of course which again we have more chance of knowing if we are working closer with our EU security partners.

Anyone who thinks Brexit will make us safer or have more control over who comes here is sadly mistaken.


Given youve already told us most terrorists are home grown Brits it wont matter about sharing intelligence will it ??? and given we have 20.000 on the terror watch list here in Blighty its defo not guna make any sodding difference at all ... Thought you also said No Deal was dead ???
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 6:47 PM

You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.



You mean the EU will stop us accessing GCHQ? ..........

The German, French, Spanish and Swedish intelligence services have all developed methods of mass surveillance of internet and phone traffic over the past five years in close partnership with Britain's GCHQ eavesdropping agency.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden
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Posted: 2 January 2019 8:42 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 6:47 PM

You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.




Another remoaner fallacy.

This may come as a nasty shock to the brainwashed but inter governmental cooperation is not dependant on the EU.

It took place between allies long before the EU and will continue long after the EU has curled up it's toes and expired - just ask the USA.

Just as any other form of inter governmental cooperation does not need us to be members of the EU to happen

It's just a nasty excuse by Barmy Barnier and Herr Junkshop to put pressure on us to carry on subsidising their cosy lttle jobs and pensions.

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 6:47 PM

You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.




Another remoaner fallacy.

This may come as a nasty shock to the brainwashed but inter governmental cooperation is not dependant on the EU.

It took place between allies long before the EU and will continue long after the EU has curled up it's toes and expired - just ask the USA.

Just as any other form of inter governmental cooperation does not need us to be members of the EU to happen

It's just a nasty excuse by Barmy Barnier and Herr Junkshop to put pressure on us to carry on subsidising their cosy lttle jobs and pensions.

You don't seem to realise the EU is protecting the interests of 27 countries......not just one little country which wants to run away. Effectively it's 27 countries to 1 and what with 'attacks' from invisible drones and paying out millions to a "ferry company" with no ferries and no experience in business, we haven't been doing very well have we?

Indeed we are very dependent on the EU as the cards are stacked well in their favour and it's sheer arrogance to believe any other or that the EU will simply 'curl up it's toes and expire'. Days of the British Empire are long gone and Britannia no longer rules the waves yet some folk think we still rule half the world - but we don't. Not only have we continually cut our nose to spite our face, we've even managed to divide and split up our own country!

Far from a "nasty excuse" you'd best take a read of this Parliamentary report an long term future security relationships, in particular about SIS 2, ECRIS and EIS.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmhaff/1356/135605.htm
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The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
Some of us are far less gullible.
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Posted: 2 January 2019 10:51 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-02 10:31 PM

The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
Some of us are far less gullible.


Its what the chief commissioners of the police and our security services have said Rich not some opinion in the Guardian.

In addition to what Bullet posted we stand to lose 40 different crime fighting tools as well as membership of agencies and systems such as Europol, the EAW and Schengen II.

https://www.ft.com/content/4f833bae-bb39-11e8-8274-55b72926558f

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Posted: 3 January 2019 8:42 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 10:51 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-02 10:31 PM

The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
Some of us are far less gullible.


Its what the chief commissioners of the police and our security services have said Rich not some opinion in the Guardian.

In addition to what Bullet posted we stand to lose 40 different crime fighting tools as well as membership of agencies and systems such as Europol, the EAW and Schengen II.

https://www.ft.com/content/4f833bae-bb39-11e8-8274-55b72926558f



The chief commissioners of police are part of the Remoaner establishment .........

So it's hardly a surprise that they peddle the establishments propaganda ...........

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Posted: 3 January 2019 9:24 AM
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So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(
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Posted: 3 January 2019 10:23 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 9:24 AM

So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(


I take the views of all Establishment Remoaner stooges with a large pinch of salt .........

Especially as it appears we no longer have terrorists........just folk with a mental problems ........





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Posted: 3 January 2019 10:47 AM
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As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.
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Posted: 3 January 2019 11:09 AM
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Tracker - 2019-01-03 10:47 AM

As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.


Exactly Rich........do we not share intelligence with the USA ? ..........

Remoaner desperation gets more pathetic everyday ........

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Posted: 3 January 2019 11:11 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 9:24 AM

So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(


Us Brexiteers are already in your view going to be responsible for all hate crimes and murders towards foreigners ... We might as well go full on and now be responsible for any terrorism carried out here after Brexit
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Posted: 3 January 2019 11:18 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-03 11:09 AM

Exactly Rich........do we not share intelligence with the USA ? ..........

Remoaner desperation gets more pathetic everyday ........



Indeed, as far as I can tell our relationship with the USA regarding security matters will not change on 30th March, neither will the USA's relationship with any member state of the EU, or with the EU itself?

So why should our relationship with the EU change when state security is largely an individual state issue and not an overall EU matter - unless the EU decide to be obstructive?

I used to be undecided, but having seen the way the EU appears to want to see itself as an omnipotent control freak empire in control of all aspects of everyone's life, I am starting to think the sooner we are out of it the better.

The EEC was maybe a good idea in 1973 but it seems to have outlived it's original purpose and outgrown it's original role.
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