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userWilf
Posted: 1 February 2019 2:37 PM
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I thought that you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: British motorists must apply for 70-year-old permit to drive in EU after no-deal Brexit

http://a.msn.com/08/en-gb/BBT2084?ocid=se
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Posted: 1 February 2019 4:05 PM
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Wilf - 2019-02-01 2:37 PM

I thought that you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: British motorists must apply for 70-year-old permit to drive in EU after no-deal Brexit

http://a.msn.com/08/en-gb/BBT2084?ocid=se



There have been one or two threads on IDPs in January - they are available from post offices.

We have voted for " the old days " so I'm not surprised that we will go back to "old" permits ( IF there is no deal ).


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Posted: 1 February 2019 4:48 PM
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These were the January 2019 IDP-related forum threads

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Going-Abroad-this-Spring/51021/

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/IDPs/51139/

The Post Office’s IDP Country Checker on-line tool (mentioned in the link Wilf provided) is here

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/international-driving-permit

(I notice that the PO's Branch Finder on-line tool still shows just the 89 PO branches that historically could issue IDPs, rather than the 2500 branches that (potentially) should be able to issue IDPs with effect from 1 February 2019.)

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Posted: 1 February 2019 5:02 PM
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Got ours this morning from our small town post office (one of the 2.500)....because we were the first one took 45 mins and the second took well under 5 mins!

Edited by EJB 2019-02-01 5:03 PM
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Posted: 1 February 2019 5:24 PM
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Luckily (being forewarned) my wife and I applied for the IDPs before 31st January from the AA and received them with no fuss at all. We are in Portugal until well after the due date for the "B" word and wanted to make sure that we were covered whatever happened. The AA sent the IDPs to a local Post Office in Albufeira for us.

Such a pity that the AA and RAC can no longer issue them.

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Posted: 2 February 2019 6:13 PM
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There wil be a change over for years on driving permits in the EU and USA.
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Posted: 3 February 2019 12:14 AM
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malc d - 2019-02-01 4:05 PM

Wilf - 2019-02-01 2:37 PM

I thought that you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: British motorists must apply for 70-year-old permit to drive in EU after no-deal Brexit

http://a.msn.com/08/en-gb/BBT2084?ocid=se


We have voted for " the old days " so I'm not surprised that we will go back to "old" permits ( IF there is no deal ).

Maybe DVLA will go back to the red booklet type driving licence of the 60's in keeping with the blue passport. What an 'achievement''.
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Posted: 3 February 2019 7:15 AM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-03 12:14 AM
Maybe DVLA will go back to the red booklet type driving licence of the 60's in keeping with the blue passport. What an 'achievement''.


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userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 3 February 2019 9:06 AM
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A couple more recent links relating to IDPs

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-01/post-office-expands-sale-of-international-driving-permits-ahead-of-brexit/

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/driving-eu-after-brexit-uk-motorists-international-driving-permit-explained/
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Posted: 4 February 2019 10:11 AM
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I don't know whetehr it's because the Post Office Locator website has yet to be updated but as of this morning there are still only two Post Offices in the whole of East Anglia where you can get an IDP issued, one in Norwich and the other in Ipswich. There are supposed to be 2,500 altogether in UK; perhaps there are plenty of them everywhere except East Anglia!
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Posted: 4 February 2019 11:20 AM
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StuartO - 2019-02-04 10:11 AM

I don't know whetehr it's because the Post Office Locator website has yet to be updated...


I mentioned in my posting of 1 February 2019 4:48 PM above that the PO’s Branch Finder tool still only showed the original 89 branches that were able to issue IDPs in the past. The tool has now been updated.

Click on the following link

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/branchfinder

then select “Choose a service”.

In the “Driving” section there are now two "International Driving Permits” entries

International Driving Permits - New

International Driving Permits - Legacy


Choose the former entry for the updated information.

(Update -- The “New” and “Legacy” entries have now (10 February) been removed. Searching for a Post Office branch that issues IDPs now retrieves the latest data relating to the 2500 branches offering this service.)
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 4 February 2019 1:00 PM
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Well done, Derek! The oddest thing is that it only seems to work if one follows exactly the sequence you set out. If I omit to choose branchfinder as the first option, but instead go straight to "Products and Services" - "Travel" - "International Driving Permits" - "How do I apply" - and then use the Branch finder tool by entering the post code, our local PO doesn't come up. Your way, it does.

So folk looking for a PO near them that can issue an IDP should take care to select the branchfinder window first, and then "Refine branch services (optional)", and only then select Driving + "International Driving Permits-New".
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Posted: 4 February 2019 1:41 PM
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There seem to be conflicting prices on the post office website. First it says, £5:50 for the whole year! Then when checking if you need one in France it says Yes, £5:50, valid 3 years??

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Posted: 4 February 2019 3:33 PM
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The cost of an IDP is £5.50, but the IDP validity-duration depends on its type.

For example, the IDP for Spain is the 1949 type (1 year validity) whereas the IDP for France is the 1968 type (3 years validity).
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Posted: 4 February 2019 3:52 PM
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Just got mine from the local PO, took about 5 mins. What a waste of paper, though. Four pages and a cardboard cover, and very bulky, compared to my credit card sized licence. Thanks Brexit. It does not say which Euro countries its valid for, just nine languages explaining the class of vehicles you can drive. Just realised the lady who did mine did not put in the permit number, looks like another trip to the PO.

PS anyone know how to delete a thread? I mistakenly started a new one instead of replying to this one.

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Posted: 4 February 2019 4:15 PM
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From the Gov website. “A 1949 permit lasts for 12 months. A 1968 permit lasts for 3 years or until your UK driving licence expires, whichever comes first.”
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Posted: 4 February 2019 5:04 PM
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rael - 2019-02-04 4:52 PM

Just got mine from the local PO, took about 5 mins. What a waste of paper, though. Four pages and a cardboard cover, and very bulky, compared to my credit card sized licence. Thanks Brexit. It does not say which Euro countries its valid for, just nine languages explaining the class of vehicles you can drive. Just realised the lady who did mine did not put in the permit number, looks like another trip to the PO.

PS anyone know how to delete a thread? I mistakenly started a new one instead of replying to this one.

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Cheers Derek!
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Posted: 4 February 2019 6:21 PM
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There’s a very adequate IDP-related summary on this RAC webpage

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/driving-abroad/international-driving-permits-and-brexit/
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Posted: 5 February 2019 8:53 AM
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This is just idle curiosity...

There seems to be a high degree of focus by UK motorcaravanners on obtaining an IDP (or IDPs) now prior to travelling abroad in 2019, but are these motorcaravanners also considering the other issues that are likely to arise in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prepare-to-drive-in-the-eu-after-brexit

(I can appreciate people (like Frankkia) taking precautionary action regarding IDPs if they went abroad prior to 1 February and will still be abroad in April, but if that’s not the case what’s the rush to get an IDP 2 months early?)
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Posted: 5 February 2019 9:16 AM
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Derek Uzzell - 2019-02-04 3:33 PM

The cost of an IDP is £5.50, but the IDP validity-duration depends on its type.

For example, the IDP for Spain is the 1949 type (1 year validity) whereas the IDP for France is the 1968 type (3 years validity).


Agreed however the validity of the 1968 one will not extend beyond the validity of your "main" licence.

Got my 1948 one in late March and the 1968 one yesterday. The PO assistant had not done one before so she had her laminated instruction manual in one hand. Very helpful and charming though but it took quite a while. Its a very old fashioned process with manual filling in and lots of rubber stamps so it is definitely taking us back in time in more ways than one.
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Posted: 5 February 2019 10:31 AM
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Derek Uzzell - 2019-02-05 8:53 AM

This is just idle curiosity...

There seems to be a high degree of focus by UK motorcaravanners on obtaining an IDP (or IDPs) now prior to travelling abroad in 2019, but are these motorcaravanners also considering the other issues that are likely to arise in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prepare-to-drive-in-the-eu-after-brexit

(I can appreciate people (like Frankkia) taking precautionary action regarding IDPs if they went abroad prior to 1 February and will still be abroad in April, but if that’s not the case what’s the rush to get an IDP 2 months early?)

I assume you are referring to things like the need for an actual International Insurance Certificate (or "Green Card") from your insurer, to confirm that you have the minimum insurance required for whatever country you are in?

A "no deal" Brexit would apparently mean that the present wording on the reverse of the insurance certificate will cease to be relevant as evidence of insurance as soon as Britain leaves the EU. If an agreement is reached, this may not arise.

Another matter is that existing number plates that have "GB" surmounted by a ring of stars (Euro plates) will no longer be legal in the EU once UK leaves. These plates must be replaced front and rear. It seems that to comply with the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, plates may be available with "GB" contained in the margin (but not surmounted by the ring of stars), or that plain plates must be substituted, accompanied by a conventional (black lettering on an elliptical white background) "GB" sticker on the rear of the vehicle.

In the absence of a "deal" with the EU that introduces alternative arrangements to the above, these new requirements will come into force at the point of our departure from the EU - so anyone whose EU travel would start after, or bridge, that date (whenever it occurs) will need to have obtained the appropriate IDP/s, Green Card and new number/GB plates before leaving.
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Posted: 5 February 2019 10:48 AM
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The procedure for the 1949 convention IDP is that it is dated for one year from the date of travel, i.e. post dated by up to three months.
As mentioned the 1968 IDP lasts for three years or sooner main iicence expiry.
So no disadvantage in getting them early and advantage is that they might run out and/or last minute queues might be avoided.

I have never been a fan of "Euro plates" because not every country we have been to is in the EU. So I have always just used a next big old fashioned GB sticker.

That just leaves the green card I think.

FWIW I cannot see Britain coming out except on a no deal basis, a shocking tale of negotiating incompetence and political intransigence as well as breathtaking arrogance across the UK political spectrum.
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Posted: 5 February 2019 2:20 PM
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HymerVan - 2019-02-05 10:48 AM

...So no disadvantage in getting them early and advantage is that they might run out and/or last minute queues might be avoided...



The disadvantage of obtaining an IDP (or IDPs) now is simply that one might be paying £5.50 (or £11.00) for something that (presumably) won’t be needed if there is a 'deal’ Brexit.

It seems likely to me that some sort of UK/EU agreement will eventually be cobbled together that can be considered by the UK and the EU as a ‘deal’ and, if that happens, that the tolerance that the UK is prepared to offer EU motorists driving in the UK post-Brexit will be reciprocated.

(I know where to get an IDP and how to get an IDP. I shall not be driving in Continental Europe until April 2019 and I certainly don’t envisage IDPs 'running out’ or there being long queues at the several Post Office branches near my home that can issue IDPS. So I’m hanging on to my cash till things firm up...)
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Posted: 5 February 2019 3:25 PM
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Just for sure do you need a UK international Passport to get The IDP? And not by your national ID credit card? Still do not have clue how it looks like, is it credit card size?
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Posted: 5 February 2019 3:34 PM
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And the other way around As for the USA do i need a idp to visit the UK third country in eu context?
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Posted: 5 February 2019 5:07 PM
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monique.hubrechts@gm - 2019-02-05 3:25 PM

Just for sure do you need a UK international Passport to get The IDP? And not by your national ID credit card? Still do not have clue how it looks like, is it credit card size?

Monique, I'm not sure what you mean by "a UK international passport".

A passport is required for international travel, so without a passport one could not travel abroad, and an IDP would be of no use. So, we will need both a passport and (probably) an IDP, to be able to drive abroad, although there may be some countries outside the EU that will accept a UK driving licence without an IDP.

The IDP is really only a translation of the driving licence entitlements, for the benefit of foreign police etc.
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monique.hubrechts@gm - 2019-02-05 3:25 PM

Just for sure do you need a UK international Passport to get The IDP? And not by your national ID credit card? Still do not have clue how it looks like, is it credit card size?


The UK does not issue ID cards. Anyone wishing to travel to the rest of the EU must have an international passport which is an expensive business especially for a family. My French mother in law travels to the UK on her ID card alone, which incidentally is issued free of charge.
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Posted: 5 February 2019 5:11 PM
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monique.hubrechts@gm - 2019-02-05 3:34 PM

And the other way around As for the USA do i need a idp to visit the UK third country in eu context?

It will depend on whether an agreement is made between the EU and the UK for mutual recognition of driving licences. If it is, the answer to your question will be no, but if it is not, it is probable you would require an IDP. At present, no-one knows. How exciting is that!
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Posted: 5 February 2019 6:06 PM
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monique.hubrechts@gm - 2019-02-05 3:25 PM

Just for sure do you need a UK international Passport to get The IDP? And not by your national ID credit card? Still do not have clue how it looks like, is it credit card size?


To apply for an IDP in the UK it is now necessary to visit a UK Post Office branch (the IDP cannot to obtained on-line).

The applicant needs to provide the following

1: A full valid UK driving licence - either a photocard or an older paper licence.

2: A passport sized photo - this needs to be recent enough to show what the applicant currently looks like!

3: The £5.50 application fee (cash or debit / credit card)

( If an older paper version of the UK driving licence is presented, the applicant must also provide an original valid UK passport as proof of identity.)

The IDP was described in rael’s posting of 4 February 2019 3:52 PM above

...Four pages and a cardboard cover, and very bulky, compared to my credit card sized licence.

The 1st attached photo is an EXAMPLE of what a UK IDP’s front looks like, and the 2nd photo shows an IDP’s inside pages. (I’ve grabbed those images off the internet - I assume a current IDP from a UK Post Office looks pretty similar.)



(IDP - front page.jpg)



(IDP - inside pages.jpg)



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Attachments IDP - inside pages.jpg (51KB - 60 downloads)
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Posted: 6 February 2019 10:27 AM
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As a member of the forgotten 1.3 million great unwashed who actually live in Europe it's almost impossible to find out "how things effect us regarding Brexit." Without opening up this to another Brexit debate I wonder if anyone knows how the 'English abroad' would fare when having to pop back to the island for family visits, etc.

We have German driving licences, German ADAC motor & breakdown insurance (including Green Cards) and both vehicles have German number plates.

Many thanks
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