Beswickid Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 When our Pilote 2019 MH is locked and parked up, as soon as it gets dark the reverse camera light comes on. Is it purely a wiring fault or are we not turning off correctly?. We don't want to travel 3 Hour round trip to nearest dealer if there's a simple remedy to sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Hi Brenda and welcome, Is the camera factory fitted, ie by Pilote or Fiat(?) or an aftermarket fitted by the dealer? Please can you give details of make of camera, etc. to help with replies. It sounds as though the camera is wired to a permanent live and hence will be draining your battery when not in use. If so this needs rewiring asap. Thanks. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This is pure crystal-ball gazing... I suspect that the reversing-camera displays its image on a dashboard-mounted ‘radio unit’ and that the camera is powered through that unit. There has been discussion here in the past about Pilote fitting radio units that have no integrated On/Off switch and the only way to fully turn off the unit is via an “AUX” button on the motorhome’s main control-panel. So, if the radio unit is still ‘semi live’ (though not displaying a camera image) it’s possible that the camera continues to be powered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyishuk Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I would question the installation as it seems to be an unneeded drain on the battery if the mhome is left for long periods. Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKen1 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I think its the infra red lights around the camera lens that are glowing at night ..cant see them in daylight ..if so it could be just a reverse polarity issue to the camera . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 A reversing camera can have two types of LED light sources - normal (as used in torches) or (more commonly) infrared. As explained in the “Infrared Night Vision” section here http://beamalarm.com/Documents/everything_you_need_to_know_avout_rear_view_cameras.html the latter type should illuminate automatically when the ambient light level drops to a preset level and the illuminated LEDs will clearly be visible at night from outside the motorhome. But (obviously) the camera itself needs to be powered for the LEDs to illuminate... As Brenda only notices her Pilote’s camera’s LEDs illuminating when it gets dark, the camera is operating as one might expect. Presumably the system operates properly otherwise, so I can’t see why ‘reverse polarity’ should be an issue unless it’s being assumed that “locked and parked up” somehow implies that the motorhome is connected to a 230V hook up. This 2016 thread discussed Pilote’s installation of a Pioneer radio unit https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Pioneer-AVH-2700BT/41394/ where the unit could only be switched off via the motorhome’s control-panel. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if all 2019 Pilotes with the camera system fitted to Brenda’s vehicle behave as she has described unless the owner (as Brenda suggests may be the case) does something to prevent it. If Brenda phones the Pilote dealeship, they may be able to tell her straightaway if there’s a special procedure that needs to be followed to stop the LEDs illuminatiing - or they may tell her that it’s a fault that needs addressing. (Me, I’d try experimenting when it’s dark and the camera’s lights are illuminating. I’d check if unlocking the motorhome made any difference and/or if switching the control-panel completely off stopped the lights being lit.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 If a combined unit wired through the usual ignition lead, the radio/accessories may switch off after 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKen1 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Derek Uzzell - 2019-05-23 2:57 PM A reversing camera can have two types of LED light sources - normal (as used in torches) or (more commonly) infrared. As explained in the “Infrared Night Vision” section here the latter type should illuminate automatically when the ambient light level drops to a preset level and the illuminated LEDs will clearly be visible at night from outside the motorhome. But (obviously) the camera itself needs to be powered for the LEDs to illuminate.. I have had normal LEDs glow in darkness due to reverse polarity and not switced on ..I know these are IR LEDs but it must be the first port of call ...(KIS ..Keep It Simple .) is my motto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beswickid Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 Thank you for your replies. As this is our first motorhome we appreciate your advice. We will contact our dealer again and see if they are more helpful this time. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Did this ever get resolved? As I have the same issue on my Adria Coral. The ir led’s are glowing red at night, the Electric hook up polarity is the right way round. The camera is a vision dn-3 wired through the kenwood multi media screen fitted to a 2013 fiat ducato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I doubt that there is anything unusual about the Vision DN-3 camera https://vision-uk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Dn-3.pdf that might cause its LEDs to light up spontaneously at night, but you could try contacting Vision UK to check. https://vision-uk.co.uk/contact/ I notice that a similar question was asked regarding an Amazon advert for a reversing camera Question: Why do the red night lights always come on in an evening even when the camera isn’t in use? Answer 1: Hi, yes your 12v feed must be live all the time. The red glow when dark lets you know it's working! Answer 2: You must have a constant live to the camera! Answer 3: Depends on how it is wired As your Vision camera is powered through the Kenwood head-unit, if the camera’s LEDs are continuously illuminated at night despite the Kenwood unit being switched off, the reason must be because the wiring of the Kenwood unit and camera permits this to happen. Not knowing which Kenwood multi-media head-unit you have, I haven’t been able to check (via GOOGLE) whether this is a known phenomenon with that equipment. You might try asking Kenwood if there’s a simple explanation https://www.kenwood-electronics.co.uk/car/info/contact_us/ Also, are you saying that your camera’s LEDs glow at night only when your motorhome is connected to a 230V hook-up, or do the LEDs illuminate even when the motohome is not on an EHU? There is a USA YouTube video relating to a multi-media head-unit displaying a reversing-camera image even when the camera was not selected, and that problem was traced to the camera not being separately earthed. No idea if that’s relevant in your case though. (As this thread’s original poster (Brenda Shannon) only posted twice, and her most recent forum logon was in June 2019, it may never be known whether her Pilote’s camera-related issue was satisfactorily resolved.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Thanks Derek, I've emailed vision with the question, I'll update this thread when I receive a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I spoke to someone on a site who had this problem - until he stopped parking in reverse gear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teccer1234 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 ..(KIS ..Keep It Simple .) is my motto I've always been told it's KISS keep it simple stupid ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Leofric - 2020-03-09 5:28 PM I spoke to someone on a site who had this problem - until he stopped parking in reverse gear... It’s commonplace for reversing-camera systems to operate automatically when the vehicle is put in reverse-gear, with the ‘trigger’ either being the reversing-light circuit or a switch on the gearbox. So (as you’ve mentioned) if a reversing camera’s LEDs are continuously glowing at night, it would definitely be worth checking if the motorhome is still in reverse gear. One thing’s for sure, for a camera’s LEDs to glow electrical power must be reaching the camera to make them glow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 My van is not in reverse gear. I did send a message via the contact link that Derek put on his post above at the end of January and have not received a reply, so I have just sent the message again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Suggest you phone them - 01928 734 573 Emails can end up in people’s spam or trash boxes, and a generalised enquiry (rather than one sent to a specific person) can just be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 It wasn’t an e mail it was the contact form link that you put on your earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I have received an instant reply from Rick at vision. I explained my camera was wired to a separate switch so I can turn the camera on without the need to select reverse gear. His explanation is below. ‘Because you are using the Kenwood unit the camera has to be powered separately so the installer I would suspect has taken an ignition live to power the camera so can be viewed at any time not just when reversing. The LEDs have a 10,000 hour life and can be powered all the time. On a motorhome I suspect the van will be replaced before the LEDs performance notably reduces. Having said this there is there is a light sensor so the led’s should not come on during the day’. ‘I suspect the switch is just simulating the reverse gear on the monitor so it switches the monitor to AV mode’ So my mind is put at ease with his very quick and good explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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