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Posted: 28 June 2020 6:08 PM
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The first trip I'll be making across the channel is to Calais Wine Superstore using their free travel scheme!

My voucher expired during lock down but those nice people at P&O have extended its validity until the end of September.

Got a very empty wine fridge to refill !

Just a day trip should be enough staying on deck both ways.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 6:16 PM
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Posted: 28 June 2020 6:29 PM
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rael - 2020-06-27 5:22 PMThink we are most likely to ditch the Greece part and maybe go to Croatia again or possibly Spain. A lot will depend on the list of countries we don't have to do 14 days quarantine on return. .


Just a note that Croatian active cases are again ramping up considerably over the past few days. With the tourist season back in full swing they are unlikely to go back to a lockdown (it is their no.1 industry by far) but the decision might be out of their hands if they don't get it under control quickly. Also significant increases of cases in other neighboring countries so conditions for travelling to Greece by land from any direction seem to change daily.

I suspect the entire mediteranean will see similar scenarios. Tourism is just too important for them to go back into all out lockdowns.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 7:01 PM
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colin - 2020-06-28 1:56 PM

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All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


As of 26th June 5.55% of deaths in Sweden are for under 60, once you hit 60+ it ramps up considerably. Sweden is climbing the charts and is now one of the worst in Europe for death rates, whereas the surrounding Scandinavian countries are considerably lower.

p.s. CV-19 in Sweden has so far this year killed 20 times the total number killed in road accidents last year, at that rate it is some 40 to 50 times more dangerous.


5.55% of the 0.005% of the Swedish population who've died with Covid i.e. a tiny percentage. Less than 200 people so fewer than killed in RTAs in Sweden.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 7:09 PM
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spirou - 2020-06-28 7:29 PM

rael - 2020-06-27 5:22 PMThink we are most likely to ditch the Greece part and maybe go to Croatia again or possibly Spain. A lot will depend on the list of countries we don't have to do 14 days quarantine on return. .


Just a note that Croatian active cases are again ramping up considerably over the past few days. With the tourist season back in full swing they are unlikely to go back to a lockdown (it is their no.1 industry by far) but the decision might be out of their hands if they don't get it under control quickly. Also significant increases of cases in other neighboring countries so conditions for travelling to Greece by land from any direction seem to change daily.

I suspect the entire mediteranean will see similar scenarios. Tourism is just too important for them to go back into all out lockdowns.


Thanks for the info. Have now 99.99% knocked Greece on the head, booked on the Ancona-Igoumenitsa line, but can defer for up to 18 months. Pondering our options. Croatia is doable but not easy, Slovenia will let you transit, but can't stay as UK not on their safe list. Austria a non-starter at the moment. So would be France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Slovenia........ Might just go to Bournemouth.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 7:30 PM
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webpax - 2020-06-28 7:01 PM

colin - 2020-06-28 1:56 PM

webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


As of 26th June 5.55% of deaths in Sweden are for under 60, once you hit 60+ it ramps up considerably. Sweden is climbing the charts and is now one of the worst in Europe for death rates, whereas the surrounding Scandinavian countries are considerably lower.

p.s. CV-19 in Sweden has so far this year killed 20 times the total number killed in road accidents last year, at that rate it is some 40 to 50 times more dangerous.


5.55% of the 0.005% of the Swedish population who've died with Covid i.e. a tiny percentage. Less than 200 people so fewer than killed in RTAs in Sweden.


5,280 CV-19 deaths in Sweden, which as I posted is 20 times that of last years road deaths, and for less than 6 months. 369 of these where in their 60s and 1151 in their 70s, and not to forget the 218 under 60s but that hardly applies to the average motorhome owner.

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Posted: 28 June 2020 7:44 PM
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Not sure on the latest situation, but if you go into Sweden you might not be allowed out.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/coronavirus-swedes-not-welcome-as-neighbours-open-their-borders
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Posted: 28 June 2020 8:10 PM
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I'm struggling to differentiate between those who have crowded on to our beaches from those who are choosing to go abroad and share campsites, aires etc with all the other EU motorhomers who are equally frustrated at having been locked down and will also be seeking out those parking spaces..
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Posted: 28 June 2020 11:26 PM
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We just returned from Spain and France and found no problems. Very busy in the area around Calais, mostly French Belgian and German but no Brits in the sites we stopped in! Life has returned to an "apparent" normal, with few people wearing masks or gloves and little attempts at social distancing. But where was it worst? Back here in the UK, really busy and can't wait to leave to get back to Spain again. It is more than possible to keep safe in France and Spain, and of course, the bars and restaurants are open if you want to take that risk. Much better in Spain with S/D and service generally with masks and gloves. We felt quite safe in Spain, and there are very few motorhomes on the road, whereas in France it is quite busy.
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Posted: 29 June 2020 10:49 AM
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Hi Ainsley
Our neighbours in Spain said exactly the same.
They feel very safe and believe the Spanish government backed by the Police handled The situation very well and can’t believe what they see going on over here.
We probably won’t make it to Spain on the next trip, maybe south of France
Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer on a very large spaced out Aire.
ThNk you everyone for your input.
It’s interesting to hear what everyone is doing this year and next.

Stay safe
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Posted: 29 June 2020 10:37 PM
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Well, we tend to go on impulse quite a lot and this time is no exception........ the ferry is booked for 3rd August.

Our limited and impulsive reasoning was based on 'space'
I fully agree that we have a lot of amazing places to visit in the UK but as always we are not geared up for motorhomes the same way as France.

I know that if you think about 'what if' too much you would do nothing.

Our plan is quite simple, armed with our gloves and masks if required, keep our selves to our selves, social distance and head for the wider open spaces.

Not asking anyone to agree or disagree with our decisions but the bottom line for us is that both myself and my better half are classed as key workers and feel that we can keep our selves and others safe in the spacious areas of France.

If they let us in
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Posted: 30 June 2020 7:30 AM
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kevandali - 2020-06-29 11:37 PM

Well, we tend to go on impulse quite a lot and this time is no exception........ the ferry is booked for 3rd August.

Our limited and impulsive reasoning was based on 'space'
I fully agree that we have a lot of amazing places to visit in the UK but as always we are not geared up for motorhomes the same way as France.

I know that if you think about 'what if' too much you would do nothing.

Our plan is quite simple, armed with our gloves and masks if required, keep our selves to our selves, social distance and head for the wider open spaces.

Not asking anyone to agree or disagree with our decisions but the bottom line for us is that both myself and my better half are classed as key workers and feel that we can keep our selves and others safe in the spacious areas of France.

If they let us in


Looks like we will still be considered as part of the EU for travel purposes until 31/12/2020.
Fifth paragraph from the end of this article by the EU
https://tinyurl.com/ybaprsxr
However, that probably doesn't stop EU countries blocking UK visitors as in yesterdays announcement by Greece to extend the ban on Brits by another two weeks, and who can blame them?
I'm about to change my ferry ticket for Ancona - Igoumenitsa from 22nd July to an open ticket and try again next year!
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Posted: 30 June 2020 8:54 AM
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laimeduck - 2020-06-27 5:03 PM

Sorry...... I too cannot give you a positive on this - for 2 main reasons.

1) Whether you are careful or not you may well be spreading the virus by travelling around. You have to stop and interact with local people, shops, petrol stations, sites/aires, You also may get the virus from them, then unwittingly bring it back with you. I really don't think that's fair on the locals.

2) Unless your aim is to go and sit in a field staring at your navel, what are you going to do? The beauty of going to Europe is seeing the sights, sampling the food, watching the world go by from a pavement cafe etc etc. All high risk pastimes at present.

As we are seeing in the USA and other places that have opened up too soon, there are second spikes coming and they will be more damaging and deadly than the original.

So we are giving it a miss this year and finding the beautiful secluded walks around South East Kent (The Garden of England!) - away from the beaches I might add!

Jeremy


Strange sat on a pavement watching world go by etc purgatory for me. Naval watching more interesting, or walking on coasts woods, mountains where you can avoid people. Good job we are all different. Tunnel for us no mixing. Stay safe everyone.
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Posted: 2 July 2020 10:08 AM
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With quarantine rules being removed we will be off through Europe in August, for me rural areas and hills are far safer than any cities. I can understand over 70s staying safe, we all need to gauge our own risks.
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Posted: 2 July 2020 5:05 PM
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It’s good to hear some positive comments and I totally agree. France is huge with some fantastic places to visit.
We’ll make our way towards the Alps to my favorite site.
Ifs it’s busy no problem loads of other Aires and places to distance us from others.
Took out our yearly insurance with 3 months extra in the deal along with a cheaper price than last year £224.00 for the 2 of us
Van serviced. Full fuel tank of cheap diesel. Water tank cleaned.
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Posted: 2 July 2020 9:36 PM
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Steve H - 2020-06-28 8:10 PM

I'm struggling to differentiate between those who have crowded on to our beaches from those who are choosing to go abroad and share campsites, aires etc with all the other EU motorhomers who are equally frustrated at having been locked down and will also be seeking out those parking spaces..

I can't see any difference either why people can't just write off their jollys for this year is beyond me.
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Posted: 3 July 2020 11:18 AM
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witzend - 2020-07-02 9:36 PM

I can't see any difference either why people can't just write off their jollys for this year is beyond me.


You should maybe ask yourself 'why would they?'. We now know that Sars-Cov-2 is mostly a mortality risk for the elderly and those with co-morbidities (including obesity). The majority of (younger) people , if they experience any impact from catching the virus, will at worst experience what feels like a bad case of the flu. Put simply, the majority of people, in England at least, no longer care because it’s not perceived as a great health threat to them especially now that the English government is winding down its prominence. And before someone points out ‘what about grand parents and parents’, as there tends to be so little close physical contact with either these days, once again, many people either don’t care or think their remote actions will not impact elderly relatives.

My son has a friend living on the Cornish/Devon border who knows the owner of one of the larger campsites. They have over 2,000 people (people not necessarily individual caravans/tents etc) turning up from different parts of the country at the weekend and are fully booked for the next three weeks. The implications are obvious. I think the fact is, the political emphasis now is on trying to save whatever shred of the UK economy still exists from total extinction and that will understandably take precedence over short term health concerns that mostly impact the mortality of economically inactive.

So based on all that, ie human nature, we can make our choices, ie stay at home, take a break in the UK or take a break abroad. We will mostly no doubt each assess our individual risk and disregard ‘group risk’. Each to their own.
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Our plans were to be in France and Spain this year but we are now planning to leave it till next year instead, hopefully.

Blackpool Illuminations here we come.

We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

Can't say where it is, its a secret.







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lancepar - 2020-07-03 11:43 AM
We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

Can't say where it is, its a secret.


Except it's named on your Photo
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Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.
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We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

Can't say where it is, its a secret.


Except it's named on your Photo


Oh no............how did that happen

Stay Safe Keith

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Posted: 3 July 2020 1:35 PM
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Posted: 3 July 2020 5:41 PM
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Now that we have postponed Greece until next year, or next target was Croatia, but thats looking tricky. Slovenia is not on 'the list' of countries you can visit without having to do 14 days quarantine on return to England. So for a 22km transit of Slovenia to get into Croatia we'd have to do 14 days when we get back! Also Croatia has a requirement that you have proof of accomadation for entry to the country. Spain it is then.
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simon says - 2020-07-03 12:16 PM

Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.


Yeh well the death toll for over 60’s is not imaginary. There are risks to every activity but you don’t have to stick your head in the oven.
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simon says - 2020-07-03 12:16 PM

Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.


Yeh well the death toll for over 60’s is not imaginary. There are risks to every activity but you don’t have to stick your head in the oven.


It appears we may have had it .......

As our chums we meet up with in Spain have both tested positive for having it according to the 89 quid each test they paid for ........

We had a queer lurgy this Feb that was rampant on the campsite in Spain that sent me to my bed for a day ......

I suspect it either got pi**ed in my blood stream or read my thoughts .......and said lets get the f*ck outa here ........

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Posted: 4 July 2020 11:22 AM
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Confusion reigns on GOV.UK over travel advice. The FCO now says you can go to Slovenia and Lithuania for non-essential travel, but you would still have to quarantine for 14 days on return. Anyone know why? If its safe to go why are these two countries not on the exempt from quarantine list? Oh, and British Antarctic Territory also falls into this category. I'm sure there are more.
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pelmetman - 2020-07-03 6:21 PM

It appears we may have had it .......

As our chums we meet up with in Spain have both tested positive for having it according to the 89 quid each test they paid for ........

We had a queer lurgy this Feb that was rampant on the campsite in Spain that sent me to my bed for a day ......

I suspect it either got pi**ed in my blood stream or read my thoughts .......and said lets get the f*ck outa here ........


I thought I might have had it too. I was unwell in March for 11 days and had symptoms including a slight fever, chills, persistent dry cough, shortness of breath, night delirium, and the strangest throat that I can only describe as incredibly dry whilst feeling like I had swallowed a thousand pins and they were all stuck there.

Despite that, when I took part in the Imperial College test research 3 weeks ago, I tested negative for antibodies in two separate tests of a self-testing kit, although still awaiting the lab blood results.

There are three possibilities though - I had something else entirely, the self test kits that were being tested aren't reliable, or as was suggested to me whilst I was there, increasing evidence suggests that antibodies may only last a short time (up to a few months) in patients who have not experienced severe illness.
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Everyone off to Snitterfield then


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flyboyprowler - 2020-07-03 1:35 PM

Everyone off to Snitterfield then


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We're booked on the tunnel for August 4th and heading for Spain where I am certain life will be a lot safer than here as the Spanish Government have demonstrated that they care for their population in a way which the British Government has not. Left to me I wouldn't return at all most especially after December 31st
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