Stargeezer Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Without naming names, "she" lost my ignition key yesterday and the rest of her set of spare keys today... hopefully when the snow melts we may find something. However if (glass half empty) we/I don't find them does anyone have any ideas on the most value for money place to go for 'van (Vecam - I think) and more importantly Peugeot transponder type keys. I have numbers and all that but still looks like an expensive job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Are they covered as part of your van's insurance? Some are, some aren't ... 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I think the best option would be to get new keys & locks fitted. Whether replacement is covered by your Insurance or not. How would you explain to your Insurers if the M/H were to dissappear as someone had found the lost keys and took the M/H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob b Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 If, as I understand it, the keys have been lost in the snow, can you borrow a metal detector and have a scout round ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezer Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 I appreciate your responses but at the moment the 'van is tucked up nice and snug behind electric gates (not ours - we're not posh or rich), so security is not an immediate concern. I can get keys at a (high) price, does anyone know where I can go (if I have to) to for replacement keys at a reasonable price. I might be OK but maybe others would be grateful for the info. I'll pass on what I learn from this experience. Cold innit!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I was under the impression that with, with recent transponder-type ignition keys, you needed an original key to obtain a 'non-official' clone. If you have the 'key number', but no original ignition key, then you may only be able to obtain a replacement key via a Peugeot main agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezer Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 Slithered to the serious key cutter in town, "caravan" door key, no problem, cost less than a fiver and took about a minute. He can't do the Boxer ignition key as (apparently) they change their code and that of the van every time you use them. He reckons it's a main dealer only job. That sounds a bit expensive to me. Any comments on that anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Pete, Have you tried Googling replacement keys or anything similar? The Brother in Law lost the innards of the key to his Lexus and the main dealer wanted well over a grand to replace it. He found someone from the Nottingham area who drove to the Wirral, replaced the innards and reprogrammed the key to the car for about £400. Quite a saving even if still expensive. He found this guy off the internet. Keith. Edit: If I speak to him I'll ask him if he's still got contact details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezer Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 Thank you for your time, I'm still hoping (optimist or what) that when the snow melts the key will be sitting there on the floor by the cab. Even so... £400!! Is someone having laugh or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Stargeezer - 2010-01-09 7:26 PM Thank you for your time, I'm still hoping (optimist or what) that when the snow melts the key will be sitting there on the floor by the cab. Even so... £400!! Is someone having laugh or what? When I got two of our vehicles they were provided with 3 keys one of which was a different colour to the other two (I believe it is a Red one on the FIAT and Peugeot 'Sevel' vehicles if they still use that system). I was advised that the third key should be kept in a safe place and not lost as that was the only way that a new key could be provided, the alternative being a cost of over £1000. I believe that the problem is that if they have no 'clone' key then the main ECU has to be changed plus the new set of keys as they cannot reprogram it due to the anti theft electronics, hence the cost. That is on a Ford and a Daihatsu by the way. On that basis £400 is quite cheap!! Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezer Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 Thanks Bas(il) I am still hoping the snow melting will sort things out. I think we have the coloured key, somewhere safe. That's somewhere so safe I can't remember where that is. If I can't find it there's no way someone else will... How clever am i? Answers on a postcard to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Genuine-Fiat-Ducato-Lock-Set-%26-Keys-citroen-relay_W0QQitemZ380192205144QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=c8244e5b1250a0aad295e955fa73b05f Any use, or do you require remote locking keys? Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Basil, Yes, you're right, the Lexus main dealer said the only way was a new ECU and full set of keys. The guy that the BiL found put new innards in his old key and reprogrammed the car to suit. This apparently involved a longwinded sequence of opening and closing doors and locking and unlocking the door with the key. It seems he had a special manual explaining how to do it. Pete, I agree £400 sounds expensive and my guess would be that his price was based on the saving from the dealers price (which he seemed to know beforehand) rather than the actual cost to perform the work. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Keithl - 2010-01-09 9:10 PM Basil, Yes, you're right, the Lexus main dealer said the only way was a new ECU and full set of keys. The guy that the BiL found put new innards in his old key and reprogrammed the car to suit. This apparently involved a longwinded sequence of opening and closing doors and locking and unlocking the door with the key. It seems he had a special manual explaining how to do it. Pete, I agree £400 sounds expensive and my guess would be that his price was based on the saving from the dealers price (which he seemed to know beforehand) rather than the actual cost to perform the work. Keith. Well he did also drive from Nottingham to the Wirral to perform his duty, probably a good five hour round trip, lets say an hour to do the work so its six hours @ ? per hour (£25/hour is very low these days and I'd expect it to be more like £35). Then he needs to have the correct parts to fix the car, probably cost him £25 upwards and he probably had to use some very specialist kit to program the new key innards which will have cost him at least a grand. Still think £400 is expensive? I don't. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dave, Put that way I now agree it was probably a fair price, I hadn't considered factoring the travelling time at a normal hourly rate. At the end of the day it was still a lot less than the main dealers quote to replace the ECU. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Don't know about the older model but I was looking for spare key for our X250 (only comes with one central locking fob) & main dealer was cheapest option at £160 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 A system involving a 'master ignition key' was employed by Fiat/Peugeot and Ford until fairly recently. It remains one of the things to beware of when purchasing a second-hand vehicle as, if the master key is not provided and the 'copy keys' are subsequently lost, damaged or stolen, then (as Basil warns) expensive ignition system components will need to be replaced. My Transit Mk 6 has no master key as such and its Ford handbook advises that (if you haven't got a key that relates to the vehicle) replacement keys are available from Ford dealers by stating the key number shown on the tag provided with the original keys. If you have got an original key, then it's possible to obtain 'blank' keys and code up to four 'copies' yourself by using the original key and following the handbook instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAB Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 For Fiat anyway the "red masterkey" was only for the UK market - we were not to be trusted with the codes as were the rest of europe. Although my Italian Mobilvetta was RHD it was officially an Italian model so came with all the necessary coding documentation - unlike my earlier AutoTrail which came with the red key - easy to lose and a fortune to replace. Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ademapearl Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 It is worth emphasising if you have a Fiat - keep your red key safe, as it is the only one you can make a copy off unless you spend a fortune through the dealers. If you come to sell a Fiat, the dealer will substantially reduce his offer if you don't have the red key. Equally, if you are buying privately, make sure that the magic key is there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ris Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I am led to believe that for some years now the red key has not been given. Our Fiat Autotrail was new in May 06 and was not provided with a one. On questioning the dealer they stated that the red key was discontinued some time ago. If anyone knows different then I would be interested to hear from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 We bought a Peugot based Nuevo in new in March 04 and that didn't have the red key either but did have a keycode 'certificate' which the dealer definitely wanted when we p/exed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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