THE SHEPHERD Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Having just read this months MMM I thought I would follow their advice and replace the cam belt plus tensioners and auxiliary belt. I have a 2.2.Puegot Boxer 38 thousand miles 8 years old. I made contact with a main Peugeot dealer and was quoted approximately £ 700 I then asked my local garage who have always serviced and maintained the vehicle and was given a price of £300 plus vat, so it pays to shop around £400 is a lot of diesel even at today's prices. TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Does that include replacing the water pump and anti freeze? I believe the water pump is driven by the cam belt so its wise to replace it at the same time. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Just ensure they replace everything that touches the belt and the quote is indeed for that. Regards, Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SHEPHERD Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 I understand it all comes as a package from Euro parts, but I will have to put my faith in the garage as I have the mechanical knowledge of a peeled grape.TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Ask to see a drawing of what is being replaced, ask for everything that touches the belt to be replaced, Get this in quote, and in writing that this will be done. Let this be your insurance, as a damaged engine costs thousands. Regards, Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Why should you have to replace "everything that touches the belt" for gods sake?. Some engines have the diesel pump driven by the belt, it would be an expensive job to replace that as well. The kit comes with the belt and tensioner rollers. Also why would the water pump need replacing after 38K miles?. Why is that when an engine is fitted in a M/H the components suddenly become fragile and likely to fail early?. Far too much scaremongering going on regards leisure vehicles if you ask me. These vans were designed to have the nuts thrashed out of them by white van man and I'm sure no company making them would last long if they were not built like tanks. As I'm sure Nick (erroserve) would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Peter, as water pumps can and do fail it makes sense to replace them as a matter of course when they are driven by the cam belt. If you don't replace the water pump and it subsequently fails at best you have a large bill for replacing the pump. At worst you have a wrecked engine and a bill for £2K upwards so it makes sense to replace the pump with the belt. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi, does that mean then that if you get a quote from main dealers for cam belt replacement, that quote would include water pump, or would you have to request that.? Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SHEPHERD Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 The quote I had from both never mentioned a pump, how do I know if the water pump is driven by the cam belt. (thicko) TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SHEPHERD Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Ive been making some enquiries this morning from wiser heads, and the question seems to be are we all being hyped up over cam belts, people seem to think the norm for replacement was around 60-70k, so has there been a dramatic rise in the number of belts failing and causing lots of destroyed engines or is the quality of belts not what it was. (answers on a post card please) TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I can see the sense in replacing a cambelt on a vehicle ( motorhome ) which spends a lot of it's life with the engine not running, at a time interval rather than a mileage interval. I guess the belt could be slightly 'stretched' where a tensioning roller rests on one part of the belt for long periods. I really can't see the need to replace the tensioning and guide rollers or water pump at a time period though. Roller bearings / pump bearings will not be wearing out when not running. Harvey ( not an expert ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 According to Autodata the 2.2 boxer engine cam belt does drive the water pump and Peugeot's recommended replacement intervals are 10 years/96,000 miles under normal driving conditions or 5 years/80,000 miles under adverse conditions. My advice would be to change it after five years simply because if it fails, and they can do, it will destroy your engine. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi. I had a replacement cam kit, and aux belts replaced on my 2.8 id TD, by Guest Trucks. It was 7 years old, and had done 36000km, they never mentioned water pump, in fact they gave me the old belts back, saying that there were no signs of deterioration with them. I always use" Bars Leaks" coolant protection and pump lubricant, never had to replace a water pump. I do change my vehicles before 100000 miles though. (lol) . Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SHEPHERD Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Many thanks to all, Ill go for it, and send the Mrs back out to work. TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 thebishbus - 2011-02-08 11:47 AM Hi. I had a replacement cam kit, and aux belts replaced on my 2.8 id TD, by Guest Trucks. It was 7 years old, and had done 36000km, they never mentioned water pump, in fact they gave me the old belts back, saying that there were no signs of deterioration with them. I always use" Bars Leaks" coolant protection and pump lubricant, never had to replace a water pump. I do change my vehicles before 100000 miles though. (lol) . Brian B. The 2.8 engine doesn't drive the water pump from the cam belt. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroserv Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Harvey - 2011-02-08 10:00 AM I can see the sense in replacing a cambelt on a vehicle ( motorhome ) which spends a lot of it's life with the engine not running, at a time interval rather than a mileage interval. I guess the belt could be slightly 'stretched' where a tensioning roller rests on one part of the belt for long periods. I really can't see the need to replace the tensioning and guide rollers or water pump at a time period though. Roller bearings / pump bearings will not be wearing out when not running. Harvey ( not an expert ) Harvey, Though you declare yourself a non expert, your first point is quite valid. Your second point is completely wrong. It is very rare indeed for a cam belt to break or wear out but not impossible. It is much more likely that the tensioner bearings will fail and it is absolutely imperative that these are changed along with the bolts with which they are fixed/adjusted. Not up for debate; must be done! The Peugeot 2.0 and 2.2 before 2006 have a very simple water pump with a plastic impellor, and from Euro Car Parts it costs less than £20, so why would you not change it when you do the cam belt? Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thats good news then Dave, one less thing to worry about in the future, and in favour of old design. (lol) Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Dave Newell - 2011-02-08 6:54 AM Peter, as water pumps can and do fail it makes sense to replace them as a matter of course when they are driven by the cam belt. If you don't replace the water pump and it subsequently fails at best you have a large bill for replacing the pump. At worst you have a wrecked engine and a bill for £2K upwards so it makes sense to replace the pump with the belt. D.[/quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 peter - 2011-02-08 10:19 PM Dave Newell - 2011-02-08 6:54 AM Peter, as water pumps can and do fail it makes sense to replace them as a matter of course when they are driven by the cam belt. If you don't replace the water pump and it subsequently fails at best you have a large bill for replacing the pump. At worst you have a wrecked engine and a bill for £2K upwards so it makes sense to replace the pump with the belt. D.[/quote And this is an example of what happens when Peter posts after 10.00pm :D . D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE SHEPHERD Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 All done including new water pump and crankshaft damper pulley (whatever that might be) which was showing signs of wear.so £561 inc vat. still three hundred saving on main dealer. Many thanks to all for guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekka Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I know they use to rattle, but for the life of me I cannot understand why cam chains were abandoned especially on a diesel engine, I have one on my Avensis car, oh well progress I guess ( is it ? ) I used to have an FX4 taxi cab in the 1970's, 350000 miles and no cam-belt changing malarkey on that either. Never been very comfortable with a rubber band that can snap wrecking the engine, oh well..............................best not to worry I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Our existing Motorhome is due for a new cam belt and two new tyres. Fortunately I managed to convince myself and the wife that it was about time we had a new motorhome and thus saved the expense! If you ignore the £23,000 cost of changing the motorhome that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stantheman Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 What's all this rubbish about changing everything that comes into contact with the cam belt when you renew it! Do you change all the engine parts when you burn out an exhaust valve? Do you heck! If your belt is past its sell by date, change it. If your water pump is 'groaning', change it! Otherwise, leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 On the basis that if you leave a thing alone it may well - or may not - go on happily for years but once you disturb it it is much more likely to fail, it makes perfect sense to me to replace a relatively cheap water pump as well as belt tensioners that are known to fail at the same time as a belt. I would expect an unstretched new belt and tensioners to place some extra strain on an established water pump and that alone might trigger failure at some very inconvenient time and place, soddes law being what it is. I don't think the analogy with an exhaust valve is comparing like with like and could be misleading - sorry Mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 The Fiat service schedule tells you and the dealer what needs to be done at the appropriate service interval. I had mine done at the Fiat dealer in Longton last year. It cost round about £770 including a full service and MOT. Cost was not the issue for me, I wanted reasonable assurance it would be done right and with little notice. The garage that was going to do, it let me down at the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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