peterjl Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Hi My Autotrail fiat is just over2 years old and seems to developed a weep of oil on the near side - see photos attached. 18000 mikes thus far but no sign of any judder. At the 2 year service garage identified that ther was some oil around area and cleaned it off but could not id a leak. I checked at 125 miles & 250 milkes and no oil to be seen but by 700 miles there was a small gathering and by the time we returned from france after 1800 miles a leak was evident. Now - what i need to know is how serious this is likely to be - i previously has a fiat in the 90's and i knew that if it wasn't leaking it was empty but not sure if this still applies. It is booked in to go back under the warranty an a few weeks but i don't want to be fobbed of they way mechanics can fonb off the untechnical amongst us - especially as i am off to Turkey in september. Your thoughts and advise would be much appreciate PS - i can't seem to load the photos - can someone tell me how - i just get error messages. regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Your photo is probably over the 100Kb limit so need to be reduced in size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 Thankyou - photos now attached - i had shrunk them but not enough! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Its hard to tell from the pics, but looks more like the oil is coming from the gasket seal of the flange rather then the shaft oil seal. It may just need the flange bolts tightened. If it is the oil seal on shaft it is not too big a job to do but whether FIat will do under warranty is another story. I would say, no, it should not leak/seep any oil and if the oil seal then the shaft bearing in the box should be checked for any wear or slop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Strewth! Call THAT an oil leak? Come take a look at our venerable 1992 Peugeot J5-based Motorhome - we have a total-loss engine oil lubrication system! (Well actually not quite, but there's leaks and drips all over the place - I just top it up now and then with more el-cheapo 20/50 mineral oil............uses about a pint every couple of thousand kms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Now now BGD, Peter's van is just over 2 years old, it should not be leaking. Might also be worth checking your engine oil level, if it is way too high then it might be getting forced out. However you would notice this with oil level too high warning shown on the odometer lcd when you trun on the ignition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 Hi Many thank for comments - BDG - my 90's fiat certainly leaked - bigtime. I did check oil level whilst in france - the engine oil was at the top but not overfilled - my thinking was that if it started going down then that would give some idea of the extent of the problem. My concern is whether or not it is likely to get worse - i will be pushing to get fixed. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Hi should that be check GEARBOX oil level by any chance.? 8-) Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 thebishbus - 2011-06-26 8:42 PM Hi should that be check GEARBOX oil level by any chance.? 8-) Brian B. Oh gosh yes, what was I thinking ..I was away with the fairies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 Hi Ok - so is that the gearbox??? if so how do you check the level?? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Unfortuately I think it is one of the case assembly bolts and I do not know which one it is at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSpirit Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 If it is like the previous version Ducato then there is no level plug you have to drain the gearbox & refill with the correct amount of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroserv Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Actually it's the same as the previous version in that you remove the speedo drive and top it up until it runs out or as near the top as possible. This looks like the diff oil seal and it must have been faulty from new. It should be done under warranty as these vans do not leak oil normally unless as stated there is a serious excess engine oil problem caused by leaking injectors or just too much oil being added. Neither of which are at all likely at this low mileage. Be a pain at the dealer and insist on getting it done. It will most likely never become more of a 'leak' than it is now but you have a right. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thank you Nick - i am taking it in on the 11th and i'll let you know the outcome Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 This is what you call an oil leak on a Fiat X250 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Well you live and learn, I am intrigued, tell me how does engine oil find its way into the gearbox. ? Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Anyone out there, I am still waiting for an answer. (?) Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Just what are you trying to point out? it seems to have sunk in with op that it's not engine oil and brambles realised his mistake. But if you realy want to know you pour it into rocker box, at least you do on my car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 oops, Sorry I misread a previous statement of Nicks, I thought he was talking about gearbox oil leaks. and implying that excessive engine oil could find its way into the gearbox. :$ Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Hi Just to update you all - took it back to Brownhills yesterday in the morning - all work done under warranty - home by tea time! When i got home, after 130 miles, i crawled under the van and had a look - it all looked fine to my untutored eye. Thank you everybody for your comments - especially Nick. In the event i did not have to push or argue (the job was just done with no fuss) but i went in confident that i knew what outcome i was looking for. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 The saga continues Took for a run today (to fill up with tesco vouchers deisel) and checked underneath - there seem to be another leak. First around what may be a drain plug - picture attached and comments welcome Secondly - there is still hint of a leak around original leak point but not sure if i am beiung paranoid. Thoughts welcome - especially Nick. Thank you Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 PS i tried to see if i could tighten but can't work out what sort of key required - it feels just like a circular hole and i can't get far enough under the van to se clearly. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 That isn't oil! At a guess it is hydraulic fluid, and at a further guess, it is from the power steering. Check your steering and brake reservoir levels to see if they are on the "full" mark. If either is near the "low" mark, I'd suggest you get them to collect, it rather than driving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Brian Kirby - 2011-07-24 8:00 PM That isn't oil! At a guess it is hydraulic fluid, and at a further guess, it is from the power steering. Check your steering and brake reservoir levels to see if they are on the "full" mark. If either is near the "low" mark, I'd suggest you get them to collect, it rather than driving it. If the fluid is indeed red as it appears in photo, then I agree with Brian, unless someone knows of any other red fluid used on a x250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjl Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 Thank you for that heads up! I have just gone with a torch to have a look, I think it's the power steering cos that is red ,,, currently that is about half way between hi and lo marks. I wiped my fingers over the plug where the drip had gathered and you are correct, it's not oil. Oh well , at least it's found before the 4000 miles I will be doing in a few weeks but I could do without the hassle. Thank you very much for your guidance Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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