Bulletguy Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-03-29 6:58 PM I see Farage has already said he will desert the sinking ship if Brexit goes badly. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-leave-uk-emigrate-quit-brexit-disaster_uk_58da338ce4b0f805b323715d And it seems (if this report is true) that he started making plans and gave false information to get German Citizenship right after the referendum. https://skwawkbox.org/2016/12/30/proof-farage-applied-for-german-citizenship-and-hes-under-police-investigation-for-it/ Oh dear. On a lighter note, I wet myself watching this. https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/862258197271581/ And for anyone interested, here is the real Article 50 letter. http://s3.postimg.org/gosldx22b/article_50.jpg Farage doesn't care......he's laughing all the way to the Bank, literally. He's got two years left to loot all he can for his pension pot. No doubt has a fleet of JCB's standing by to help shovel it all off. That letter is a gem. (lol)(lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Who will the Brexiteers blame for England's poor performance after 2019 when you can no longer blame 'Brussels' *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 John52 - 2017-03-30 8:32 AM Who will the Brexiteers blame for England's poor performance after 2019 when you can no longer blame 'Brussels' *-) Do you think it will take that long for the Emperors clothes to be exposed? Sooner or later the Brexiteers are going to have to face up to what they have done though when it does indeed all go tits up. Of course they will no doubt try to blame the Remainers for "Talking it down" or tell us there was a recession coming anyway so its nothing to do with Brexit. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 John52 - 2017-03-30 8:32 AM Who will the Brexiteers blame for England's poor performance after 2019 when you can no longer blame 'Brussels' *-) Poor performance compared to who? *-) .........UKPLC seems to be doing much better than all of the EU with the exception of Germany, which appears to be the only country that benefits from the euro :-| ....... I wonder how well they'll be doing in 2 years time when they'll have to start shovelling in more cash to replace ours? >:-) ......... Its all a bit of a bummer for Barnier, as he really wants to punish us..... but he also knows he (Germany) needs access to us British consumers :-> ........I wonder how he's gonna square that circle? (lol) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-03-30 8:59 AM ......UKPLC seems to be doing much better than all of the EU with the exception of Germany, The FTSE100 is up because the shares are priced in pounds which are around a 30 year low. The most important statistic is the Current Account Deficit which they don't like to talk about *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 John52 - 2017-03-30 8:32 AM Who will the Brexiteers blame for England's poor performance after 2019 when you can no longer blame 'Brussels' *-) Well, the ones on here will just revert to the blaming the same groups that they've historically blamed (and still blame!) for stuff... Liberal elites Snouts-in-troughs politicians "The Public sector" (specifically, the likes of teachers, junior Doctors etc) "foreigners" (we will still have 'em) Anyone on benefits ( or worse still - "foreigners" on benefits!?) ..etc etc Basically, any group that doesn't include them...... edit- maybe that last one should read- "Anyone who admits to being on benefits"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 pepe63 - 2017-03-30 2:08 PM John52 - 2017-03-30 8:32 AM Who will the Brexiteers blame for England's poor performance after 2019 when you can no longer blame 'Brussels' *-) Well, the ones on here will just revert to the blaming the same groups that they've historically blamed (and still blame!) for stuff... Liberal elites Snouts-in-troughs politicians "The Public sector" (specifically, the likes of teachers, junior Doctors etc) "foreigners" (we will still have 'em) Anyone on benefits ( or worse still - "foreigners" on benefits!?) ..etc etc Basically, any group that doesn't include them...... edit- maybe that last one should read- "Anyone who admits to being on benefits"? Goodness ... Who on earth has blamed all those for England's shortcomings ??? ... Whoever they may be won't be able to blame a Labour Government will they , not for a long , long time ... Maybe they could blame twitter or The Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 So sad to be leaving Mr Juncker behind ... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliation-Trump-Brexit-support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 John52 - 2017-03-30 1:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-03-30 8:59 AM ......UKPLC seems to be doing much better than all of the EU with the exception of Germany, The FTSE100 is up because the shares are priced in pounds which are around a 30 year low. The most important statistic is the Current Account Deficit which they don't like to talk about *-) Oh you mean that current account deficit where we buy more from the EU than we sell? ;-) ........ Well surely the UK getting a well hard BREXIT and reverting to WTO rules is a good thing, as it'll mean stuff from the EU will be more expensive? >:-) ........and we'll be quids in from a tariff war B-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 pepe63 - 2017-03-30 2:08 PM edit- maybe that last one should read- "Anyone who admits to being on benefits"? Is being on benefits something to be proud of??? *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-03-30 4:10 PMSo sad to be leaving Mr Juncker behind ... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliation-Trump-Brexit-support Juncker...........Probably just given the US of A it's biggest nation wide laugh for decades. What a complete and utter idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 RogerC - 2017-03-30 4:37 PMantony1969 - 2017-03-30 4:10 PMSo sad to be leaving Mr Juncker behind ... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliation-Trump-Brexit-supportJuncker...........Probably just given the US of A it's biggest nation wide laugh for decades. What a complete and utter idiot.Hysterical (lol) ........and they have the nerve to say Trump is a nutter (lol) ........He had to many free vino tinto's for lunch methinks >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-03-30 4:24 PM John52 - 2017-03-30 1:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-03-30 8:59 AM ......UKPLC seems to be doing much better than all of the EU with the exception of Germany, The FTSE100 is up because the shares are priced in pounds which are around a 30 year low. The most important statistic is the Current Account Deficit which they don't like to talk about *-) Oh you mean that current account deficit where we buy more from the EU than we sell? ;-) ........ Well surely the UK getting a well hard BREXIT and reverting to WTO rules is a good thing, as it'll mean stuff from the EU will be more expensive? >:-) ........and we'll be quids in from a tariff war B-) ....... If you want to call being £50 billion a year worse off if that happens quids in but that just about sums up Brexiteer logic. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Crystal ball delivering doom and gloom again Barry.....I'd trade it in for a happier model if I was you....yours is so depressing....:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-03-30 4:54 PM pelmetman - 2017-03-30 4:24 PM John52 - 2017-03-30 1:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-03-30 8:59 AM ......UKPLC seems to be doing much better than all of the EU with the exception of Germany, The FTSE100 is up because the shares are priced in pounds which are around a 30 year low. The most important statistic is the Current Account Deficit which they don't like to talk about *-) Oh you mean that current account deficit where we buy more from the EU than we sell? ;-) ........ Well surely the UK getting a well hard BREXIT and reverting to WTO rules is a good thing, as it'll mean stuff from the EU will be more expensive? >:-) ........and we'll be quids in from a tariff war B-) ....... If you want to call being £50 billion a year worse off if that happens quids in but that just about sums up Brexiteer logic. :( Is that a fact Barry? ;-) .......Like those other Remoaner facts that have yet to happen? (lol) ....... How annoyed must you RemOAners be that the UK didn't collapse but has actually prospered since we voted for BREXIT >:-) ........ But cheer up Barry no doubt someones hamster died somewhere?......... You could always blame that on BREXIT if it'll make feel better :D ........ Ooop's Looks like another arch Remoaner becomes a Brexiteer (lol) .......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4364528/Cameron-never-liked-EU-glad-called-referendum.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 RogerC - 2017-03-30 5:09 PM Crystal ball delivering doom and gloom again Barry.....I'd trade it in for a happier model if I was you....yours is so depressing....:-) Forgive him Roger , he knows not what he does or talks about ... He uses Bullets ball and rubs it often to predict the future , but Bullets ball is old now and not much use to anyone other than Barry and this has resulted in them both been premature ... Premature in predicting the doom and gloom Brexit won't bring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Ha Ha! Crystal ball? Not really just the opinions of many experts that I would prefer to listen to rather than dumb blind optimism from people who dont have a clue what a hard Brexit will mean. Brexit has only just started a few days ago by the way so the next two years or so is the time to see just how true (or not) the predictions will be, not over the last nine months of limbo. The Brexit honeymoon is over. Talking it up, being super positive and crossing your fingers hoping for the best wont wash anymore. Its going to take more than that. They need us more than we need them you have been telling us. Should be a doddle then huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muswell Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-03-30 4:54 PM Brexiteer logic Tautology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-03-31 11:50 AM Ha Ha! Crystal ball? Not really just the opinions of many experts that I would prefer to listen to rather than dumb blind optimism from people who dont have a clue what a hard Brexit will mean. Brexit has only just started a few days ago by the way so the next two years or so is the time to see just how true (or not) the predictions will be, not over the last nine months of limbo. The Brexit honeymoon is over. Talking it up, being super positive and crossing your fingers hoping for the best wont wash anymore. Its going to take more than that. They need us more than we need them you have been telling us. Should be a doddle then huh? Experts like .... George The Boy Osbourne and Carney I suppose and maybe all those experts that told us an asteroid would strike if we didnt join the Euro ... Experts , who needs em when you've got twitter ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-03-31 9:39 AM If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ As ever, it is not quite so, though. The warning about the constitutional clash originated from Lord Justice Neuberger, the head of the Supreme Court. All Gina Miller has said is that she would be prepared to fund the case. The case is not about the Great Repeal Bill, which is intended to convert existing EU legislation into UK legislation. It is about additional powers the government is seeking within that bill to be able to subsequently repeal/alter that legislation without first obtaining parliamentary approval. The Bill proposes that once the EU legislation has been converted, a minister could alter or repeal it by statutory instrument, and would not need parliamentary approval to do so. We are, in effect, back to the argument over the government using the Royal Prerogative to invoke Article 50 without seeking parliamentary approval. There seems little point to me in arguing that regaining control over our laws is desirable, and then complaining about a proposal that our laws should be subject to parliamentary approval, rather than ministerial edict. If passed, those ministerial powers would outlive the present government, and would create precedent. OK if one believes that only the laws one doesn't like would be repealed, but what about when future ministers of future governments set about the laws one thinks good? Banana republic is a derogatory phrase, but such powers are the trademark of such republics. Are we really leaving the EU only to become a banana republic? Is that what Brexiteers really voted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Brian Kirby - 2017-03-31 2:08 PM antony1969 - 2017-03-31 9:39 AM If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ As ever, it is not quite so, though. The warning about the constitutional clash originated from Lord Justice Neuberger, the head of the Supreme Court. All Gina Miller has said is that she would be prepared to fund the case. The case is not about the Great Repeal Bill, which is intended to convert existing EU legislation into UK legislation. It is about additional powers the government is seeking within that bill to be able to subsequently repeal/alter that legislation without first obtaining parliamentary approval. The Bill proposes that once the EU legislation has been converted, a minister could alter or repeal it by statutory instrument, and would not need parliamentary approval to do so. We are, in effect, back to the argument over the government using the Royal Prerogative to invoke Article 50 without seeking parliamentary approval. There seems little point to me in arguing that regaining control over our laws is desirable, and then complaining about a proposal that our laws should be subject to parliamentary approval, rather than ministerial edict. If passed, those ministerial powers would outlive the present government, and would create precedent. OK if one believes that only the laws one doesn't like would be repealed, but what about when future ministers of future governments set about the laws one thinks good? Banana republic is a derogatory phrase, but such powers are the trademark of such republics. Are we really leaving the EU only to become a banana republic? Is that what Brexiteers really voted for?[/quote "Prepared to fund the case" and keep her face in the spotlight for just a little longer old cynic me thinks ... She's enjoying the moment and one presumes living and working in London with her fellow Remain voters they'll be constantly letting her know she's the nations darling ... Might not work so if she lived in Sunderland me thinks ... She has stated she doesn't want to become a politician , time will tell ... Work that audience Gina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-03-31 9:39 AM If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ At a time when there is no real effective opposition in the Houses of Parliament, it seems quite useful that a member of the public is prepared to keep a check on what the government gets up to. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 malc d - 2017-03-31 4:10 PM antony1969 - 2017-03-31 9:39 AM If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ At a time when there is no real effective opposition in the Houses of Parliament, it seems quite useful that a member of the public is prepared to keep a check on what the government gets up to. :-| So we have Labour Party Members who voted for Jezza to blame for Windy Miller ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-03-31 4:24 PM malc d - 2017-03-31 4:10 PM antony1969 - 2017-03-31 9:39 AM If anyone ever loved the sound of their own voice it was this woman ... Go away ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3216279/gina-miller-wants-to-halt-eu-law-from-being-scrapped-in-great-repeal-bill-as-she-threatens-to-take-government-to-court-again-over-henry-viii-powers/ At a time when there is no real effective opposition in the Houses of Parliament, it seems quite useful that a member of the public is prepared to keep a check on what the government gets up to. :-| So we have Labour Party Members who voted for Jezza to blame for Windy Miller ??? What is your problem with Gina Miller ? If she just keeps appearing on the telly too much for your liking, you can always switch off. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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