antony1969 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 No point Antony ;-) ........ A couple of years with Corbyn in charge.............. that'll be the queue at Dover 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PM Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Real indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities. It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-D Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ....... http://www.refugeesathome.org/ If not please put your excuses on a postcard :-| ......... As that'll help keep our lights on when we leave the EU :D ......... After all burning pious thoughts must burn brighter than those of us mere mortals? (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PM Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Real indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities. It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-D Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. Yes, but not as selective is his ignoring all the German Immigrants who really are living the life of Riley on State Benefits in the Royal Palaces. >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 John52 - 2018-02-10 6:39 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PM Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Real indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities. It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-D Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. Yes, but not as selective is his ignoring all the German Immigrants who really are living the life of Riley on State Benefits in the Royal Palaces. >:-) Dam I've lost my bet again *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PM Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Real indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities. It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-D Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. Thankyou Brian I will when the champagne socialist actors start with the TV crisis appeals take note of the donation number and donate so thank you ... On your other point I have no sympathy for them at all ... I do have great sympathy for the most persecuted folk of all , Christians in non-Christian lands and great sympathy for murdered white farmers in South Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-02-10 7:10 PM John52 - 2018-02-10 6:39 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PM Venezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folk Real indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities. It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-D Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. Yes, but not as selective is his ignoring all the German Immigrants who really are living the life of Riley on State Benefits in the Royal Palaces. >:-) Dam I've lost my bet again *-) ......... Ya cant have had the greatest odds surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-10 7:22 PMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 7:10 PMJohn52 - 2018-02-10 6:39 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMantony1969 - 2018-02-10 1:25 PMVenezuela ... Real migrants running from real problems ... Men , women and children not just young violent male chancers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374501/Mass-exodus-thousands-Venezuelans-flee-country.html ... Shocking and I for one will be glad to help these real needy folkReal indeed, Antony. Apparently, they are "fleeing hunger, inflation and the political crisis". Those unreal migrants coming from north Africa, OTOH, are fleeing all that plus starvation, war, civil war, armed militias, random killings, a collapse of state institutions, and wrecked and non-functional hospitals, schools, and basic utilities.It is invidious to compare the desperate, but those from Venezuela are merely bridge-hopping, while those from north Africa are continent hopping. Yet, because one group is predominantly young and male, and the other includes more women and children, one is worthy of sympathy and the other not. This is the world of the deserving, and the undeserving, poor, is it not? Or is it just that those fleeing a collapsed communist state merit sympathy, and those fleeing a collapsed fascist state don't? Or even that those from Venezuela are unlikely to get to the UK, while those from North Africa can and have? Still, in view of your concern for the Venezuelans, shall I pass your address to the Venezuelan Embassy in London, as a sympathiser willing to accommodate a few until they get straight? :-DSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.Yes, but not as selective is his ignoring all the German Immigrants who really are living the life of Riley on State Benefits in the Royal Palaces. >:-)Dam I've lost my bet again *-) .........Ya cant have had the greatest odds surely100/1 against at best I reckon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-10 7:21 PM..........................On your other point I have no sympathy for them at all ... I do have great sympathy for the most persecuted folk of all , Christians in non-Christian lands and great sympathy for murdered white farmers in South Africa That's what I mean, Antony. People are people, whatever their origins, faiths, or politics. Yet you choose those who qualify as "migrants" when they flee whatever adversity, and exclude the others. The others, presumably, deserve whatever they get, because they were born into the "wrong" faith, of the "wrong" parents, in the "wrong" place, or have adopted the "wrong" political outlook. It just prompts me to ask why you bother to publicly parade your sympathy for your selected group, while turning a blind eye to the others. It tempts me to think that it may be because you are not moved by a humanitarian instinct, but through a blind political bias. A political bias that seems happy to condemn "the other" to their fate, while publicly weeping crocodile tears for the chosen few - so long, it seems, as they are at a safe distance from the UK. That is why it seems to me synthetic sympathy. But, as you so often seem to say, perhaps I'm once more reading more than you intend into what you write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PM Sorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me. No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) .......................................... No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 StuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-).and another irrelevant pointless injection of anti royal bile. Looks like the odds are getting worse post by post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-)He has suggested on several occasions that I take in refugees into my home although I am still unsure why. Why does anyone need to do that? I admire people that do, my own family did it once or twice in the 70s but it should not be a necessity.I would also like to know why these poor people fleeing Venezuela are more deserving than a family fleeing war in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-02-11 11:10 AM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 7:21 PM..........................On your other point I have no sympathy for them at all ... I do have great sympathy for the most persecuted folk of all , Christians in non-Christian lands and great sympathy for murdered white farmers in South Africa That's what I mean, Antony. People are people, whatever their origins, faiths, or politics. Yet you choose those who qualify as "migrants" when they flee whatever adversity, and exclude the others. The others, presumably, deserve whatever they get, because they were born into the "wrong" faith, of the "wrong" parents, in the "wrong" place, or have adopted the "wrong" political outlook. It just prompts me to ask why you bother to publicly parade your sympathy for your selected group, while turning a blind eye to the others. It tempts me to think that it may be because you are not moved by a humanitarian instinct, but through a blind political bias. A political bias that seems happy to condemn "the other" to their fate, while publicly weeping crocodile tears for the chosen few - so long, it seems, as they are at a safe distance from the UK. That is why it seems to me synthetic sympathy. But, as you so often seem to say, perhaps I'm once more reading more than you intend into what you write. Yes that's correct Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-02-11 3:29 PMJohn52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-)He has suggested on several occasions that I take in refugees into my home although I am still unsure why. Why does anyone need to do that? I admire people that do, my own family did it once or twice in the 70s but it should not be a necessity.I would also like to know why these poor people fleeing Venezuela are more deserving than a family fleeing war in Syria.I have suggested you take your share Barry ... Your the one who tells us team UK should do more to help ... I presume by helping more you mean take in more ??? ... So those more we take in will end up in towns and cities like.mine that have the rest while you in sleepy North York's village that wants us to help more gets none ... Hypocrite ... You betcha ... Your Chattetbox's Lily Allen and an even worse singer ... Put up or shut up maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-)Gawd'n Bennet *-) .......He's back on his hobby horse again before I get to place a bet 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5377961/Migrant-ghettos-nuclear-bomb-future.html Looks like someone else can see into the future like me :D .......... Hopefully I'll be dead by the time it goes off :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-02-11 6:53 PM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5377961/Migrant-ghettos-nuclear-bomb-future.html Looks like someone else can see into the future like me :D .......... Hopefully I'll be dead by the time it goes off :-| ....... Look at that migrant camp in Calais. Is it beyond the Daily Mail reader to see where that camp will be when we leave the EU and move the border this side of the channel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-11 5:39 PMBarryd999 - 2018-02-11 3:29 PMJohn52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-)He has suggested on several occasions that I take in refugees into my home although I am still unsure why. Why does anyone need to do that? I admire people that do, my own family did it once or twice in the 70s but it should not be a necessity.I would also like to know why these poor people fleeing Venezuela are more deserving than a family fleeing war in Syria.I have suggested you take your share Barry ... Your the one who tells us team UK should do more to help ... I presume by helping more you mean take in more ??? ... So those more we take in will end up in towns and cities like.mine that have the rest while you in sleepy North York's village that wants us to help more gets none ... Hypocrite ... You betcha ... Your Chattetbox's Lily Allen and an even worse singer ... Put up or shut up maybeI think I have suggested on several occasions that I would not object to refugees being housed here but why do they have to be in peoples homes? Presumably asylum seekers are not all taken into peoples homes but are put in social housing. I also assume there is social housing everywhere so why would they all have to be housed near you? Why not here? I am not being a hypocrite as I never once suggested that refugees should be housed by individuals or that I object to them being housed in my area, I dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-02-11 10:22 PMantony1969 - 2018-02-11 5:39 PMBarryd999 - 2018-02-11 3:29 PMJohn52 - 2018-02-11 2:19 PMStuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-12 2:14 AMpelmetman - 2018-02-10 5:01 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-02-10 4:49 PMSorry but your selective expression of sympathy seems very synthetic to me.No doubt you have a house full Brian? ;-) ..........................................No, Dave, I don't. But then, I'm not pleading bleeding hearts for one group of refugees while refusing to give equal consideration to others. Why do that? Perhaps because Anthony sees differences in the so called "refugee" groups - and he has spelt out his criticisms of what he sees as economic migrants hanging around Calais, almost entirely young men, using violent and aggressive methods to try to smuggle into UK etc on many occasions. If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others.AFAIK only Anthony has suggested anyone should personally take the refgees into their home?I don't think anyone else has suggested more than allowing a reasonable quota into the country? If they have to go in some elses home how about their joining the unemployed German Immigrants living the life of Riley on state benefits in the Royal Palaces - plenty of rooms there >:-)He has suggested on several occasions that I take in refugees into my home although I am still unsure why. Why does anyone need to do that? I admire people that do, my own family did it once or twice in the 70s but it should not be a necessity.I would also like to know why these poor people fleeing Venezuela are more deserving than a family fleeing war in Syria.I have suggested you take your share Barry ... Your the one who tells us team UK should do more to help ... I presume by helping more you mean take in more ??? ... So those more we take in will end up in towns and cities like.mine that have the rest while you in sleepy North York's village that wants us to help more gets none ... Hypocrite ... You betcha ... Your Chattetbox's Lily Allen and an even worse singer ... Put up or shut up maybeI think I have suggested on several occasions that I would not object to refugees being housed here but why do they have to be in peoples homes? Presumably asylum seekers are not all taken into peoples homes but are put in social housing. I also assume there is social housing everywhere so why would they all have to be housed near you? Why not here? I am not being a hypocrite as I never once suggested that refugees should be housed by individuals or that I object to them being housed in my area, I dont.Did I say they were all housed by me Barry ??? No of course I didn't ... I believe originally I asked you to put your money where your mouth is regarding those child type refugee things , giving the poor wee fellas a home would have been nice wouldn't it seen as you have room ... Plenty of couples have taken them in Barry and I know your practically retired so have the time , still young , have the space , you've visited the camp and your busting to help but you'd rather they go into social housing which I presume their aint too much of round your way ... So once again you want em , I don't but cities and towns like mine get em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 StuartO - 2018-02-11 12:18 PM......................If you are personally unwilling to help all refugees (eg by welcoming them into your home) simply because they say they are refugees and on that basis are deserving of your help, is it fair to preach to other people about their suspicion that some so-called refugees are more deserving of help than others. It would only be unfair, if the only way to try to help refugees was to take them into one's home. However, it isn't, and this is yet another synthetic argument, designed to divert from the main point. By the way, have you stopped beating your wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-11 5:33 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-02-11 11:10 AM antony1969 - 2018-02-10 7:21 PM..........................On your other point I have no sympathy for them at all ... I do have great sympathy for the most persecuted folk of all , Christians in non-Christian lands and great sympathy for murdered white farmers in South Africa That's what I mean, Antony. People are people, whatever their origins, faiths, or politics. Yet you choose those who qualify as "migrants" when they flee whatever adversity, and exclude the others. The others, presumably, deserve whatever they get, because they were born into the "wrong" faith, of the "wrong" parents, in the "wrong" place, or have adopted the "wrong" political outlook. It just prompts me to ask why you bother to publicly parade your sympathy for your selected group, while turning a blind eye to the others. It tempts me to think that it may be because you are not moved by a humanitarian instinct, but through a blind political bias. A political bias that seems happy to condemn "the other" to their fate, while publicly weeping crocodile tears for the chosen few - so long, it seems, as they are at a safe distance from the UK. That is why it seems to me synthetic sympathy. But, as you so often seem to say, perhaps I'm once more reading more than you intend into what you write. Yes that's correct Brian Then, help me to understand your reasoning Antony, because at present I can't. I can't debate with a well, can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-02-11 5:39 PM.....................I have suggested you take your share Barry ... Your the one who tells us team UK should do more to help ... I presume by helping more you mean take in more ??? ... So those more we take in will end up in towns and cities like.mine that have the rest while you in sleepy North York's village that wants us to help more gets none ... Hypocrite ... You betcha ... Your Chattetbox's Lily Allen and an even worse singer ... Put up or shut up maybe I didn't have you down as a closet socialist, Antony. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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