fesspark Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I have a 130 ducato euro 6 ,new and seems sluggish on hills when not fully loaded,what does an engine upgrade do and what would be an estimate of the cost and fuel consumption differance.? Fesspark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Your choice is a plug in "chip" or a re-map of the engine control unit (ecu). Both about £250-£300 for a good one. I had re-maps on previous cars which were for performance, but picked up a second hand chip from ebay, and thought I would give it a try on my 2009 2.3 Fiat engine. I must say I'm very surprised, smoother, more power on hills and much improved mpg. 10-15%. It can be removed when I sell, unlike remaps, but beware cheap units that just boost the fuel pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I’m not sure about the applicability of a ‘tuning box’ to a Ducato Euro 6 motor - nowadays remapping would be the more normal approach. It might be worth knowing what tyre-size fesspark’s Burstner has, as this will affect the vehicle’s overall gearing. If the motorhome is built on a Ducato ‘light’ chassis and has the 16”-diameter wheel option, performance in the higher gears may seem a mite lacklustre with the 130 powerplant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesspark Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 Derek, thats what I have 130 with16" wheels,whats your opinion?euro6 eng; Fesspark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 The Ducato X290 ‘light’ chassis 16”-wheel option has been discussed here in the past. Received wisdom is that the vehicle’s final-drive ratio is a compromise, resulting in a Ducato X290 with 15” wheels being a mite under-geared and a Ducato X290 with 16” wheels being a mite over-geared. I’ve conjectured in the past that, in the latter case, if the 130 motor is fitted there will potentially be a negative impact on how the vehicle drives, particularly on the ability to hold higher gears on hills. Assuming that your Burstner’s 130 motor is producing the outputs it should, there’s not much you can do to address ‘over-gearing’ other than to adjust your driving style so that you use lower gears more often than you might like. If you chose to have the motor remapped, you’d void the Fiat warranty and, as some Euro 6 Ducatos are being reported as having a worryingly large thirst for oil, I suggest you put ‘tuning’ the motor on the back-burner at least until the motor has fully run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesspark Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 Noted, Thanks Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagey Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 hi fesspark my euro 6 is on 15" wheels and is on par with my previous euro4 130 hp on 15" wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibaba Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-07-01 8:17 AMThe Ducato X290 ‘light’ chassis 16”-wheel option has been discussed here in the past. Received wisdom is that the vehicle’s final-drive ratio is a compromise, resulting in a Ducato X290 with 15” wheels being a mite under-geared and a Ducato X290 with 16” wheels being a mite over-geared. I’ve conjectured in the past that, in the latter case, if the 130 motor is fitted there will potentially be a negative impact on how the vehicle drives, particularly on the ability to hold higher gears on hills.Assuming that your Burstner’s 130 motor is producing the outputs it should, there’s not much you can do to address ‘over-gearing’ other than to adjust your driving style so that you use lower gears more often than you might like.If you chose to have the motor remapped, you’d void the Fiat warranty and, as some Euro 6 Ducatos are being reported as having a worryingly large thirst for oil, I suggest you put ‘tuning’ the motor on the back-burner at least until the motor has fully run in. Could you not just change the tyre profile to make the effective diameter larger or smaller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesspark Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 ?????????????? what does the tyres piece mean??????? Fesspark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 fesspark - 2018-07-01 2:15 PM ?????????????? what does the tyres piece mean??????? Fesspark Change to a different width and profile of 16" tyre to reduce the rolling radius so it is nearer that of the standard 15" tyre. But, you must check the load index of any alternative tyre is suitable for your MH's weight. What are the sizes of the standard 15" and 16" tyres and I'll have a look for examples. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The standard sizes are 215/70 R15CP or 225/75 R16CP It won’t be practicable to keep the 16” wheels and fit tyres with a sufficiently lower profile to reduce the overall gearing enough to be worthwhile and still retain an adequate load index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-07-03 8:02 AM The standard sizes are 215/70 R15CP or 225/75 R16CP It won’t be practicable to keep the 16” wheels and fit tyres with a sufficiently lower profile to reduce the overall gearing enough to be worthwhile and still retain an adequate load index. Thanks for the info Derek, That was my fear, hence my caveat! Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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