olley Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hi Twooks, I felt just the same, who was she, what did she do for any of us, sad that she died but hundreds die each day, many who have done more for humanity than she ever did, so why all the grief? She wasn't exactly a model of a princess that I remember from snow white. ;-) :-D Got a tin hat twooks? think we might need one Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I'm with you lads. Three musketeers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Make that four Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 starspirit - 2007-01-27 7:23 PM Make that four Brian Athos, Porthos, Aramis and d'Artagnan (give or take the spelling) it is then! Now then, wher'v I put me bl**dy 'orse and rapier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Go on then me old Sunbeam, show us your shiny rapier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Or is it Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and just room for one more volunteer, Gummo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 I volunteer Compo for that ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Nah, it's Gonzo, Fozzie, Kermit and Miss Piggy ... I'll let you decide who is who! I'm trying to think what they did for me, the Labour party that is, erm..... I've got it - Pet Passports!!!!!!!!! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Ssoooooo, Am I niave in thinking that they won't get in at the next election . will it be conservatives ? or is it not that easy . Would it be anorchy if no one voted what would happen if the whole country did not vote at all in discust ? Again are these silly questions sorry in advance did say I did not understand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Michelle not silly at all, of course people will vote you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. People honestly believe that their vote matters, that the next load of jodrell bankers will be different. "hope springs eternal" A hardened old cynic like me just ignores the whole thing, (I haven't voted since 71) and has another glass of vino. :-D Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Well , Olley I have admit I have never voted thinking that they were all jodrels . perhaps that's thr wrong attitude ? i always though oh well the populaton will vote . I watched some of the ad's coming up to elections especially when they say your vote count's and if you don't vote the wrong party could get in. I just alway's felt that when I was a child it was Labour then tatcher now labour ? neither one seems to do it for us . I just watch like others the country going to wrack & rouine and these politicians making wopping money whilst the hospital wards have no bed's no thermometres no prisons . What's going on I am lost . If I listen to my husband he rants and raves and then it does not go in . Hence i thought i would rather read it injest slowly myself make me own mind up but I guess I have known for years . My vote would be no good after all I,m just a tax payer ahah (^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Wilkinson Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I'm no supporter of this government but sometimes I just wish that people wouldn't be totally cynical and would look on the bright side for a change. Why do some of us only ever moan and never seem to see the good things of life?Compare the life that we live now with that of our parents and grandparents. Did your grandparents go off to foreign countries for their holidays as we do now? When I started work I got two weeks' holiday a year and my parents first went abroad when they were in their sixties and my grandparents never.Hospitals may not be perfect but did your grandparents ever have a hip replacement, or a heart bypass, two operations that are routine these days but were science fiction a couple of generations ago? Although to be fair they never had need for this kind of surgery because they were all dead by the time they were 70!The simple truth, is that our system of free enterprise, coupled with democracy, has produced an unprecedented level of wealth for those citizens lucky enough to live in countries such as the U.K.During the '70s and eighties I had the dubious pleasure of visiting the U.S.S.R. and East Germany, with whom I did business and I can assure you that they were truly dreadful places to live, not just for material goods but for medical services and housing as well. I developed a fascination for communist countries and soon after visited others, including China, Cuba and Albania, mainly because every one that I travelled to reinforced my opinion that Socialism is evil and that our system is fairer and actually works!My experience of the world and more importantly, my general nature has always taught me that my glass is half full, rather than half empty. I am eternally grateful that I've had the luck to live in a Western Democracy, that I've never had to fight in a World War and that most of all, I've never had to worry about the knock on the door at six in the morning when the Secret Police come calling.If ever you are feeling hard done by, here's a little tip: go down to your local war memorial and read the names of all the young men who never grew old enough to be able to go to the Continent in their motorhomes, and thank your God that you've grown up in better times than they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Frank I do look on the bright side :-D my glass is always half full. And I agree, we are living in an age of unprecedented wealth, that our fore bearers could only dream of. My recent treatment by the NHS for cancer has left me eternally grateful to the staff who despite a crap system make it work. And I think that's the same with the country we the people have made it work in spite of successive crap governments who think no further than the next election. But I do feel as a small businessman that it's getting harder and harder to make headway, the shear amount of regulations and the complexity is just grinding me down. Our biggest threat nowadays is from the far east, so what do we do? add yet more regulations and make ourselves even more uncompetitive, very clever. You need qualifications to do anything nowadays except.................run the country 8-) 8-) arguable the most important job going, so what do we have? a barrister, 8-) (come the revolution aren't they the first to be shot)a pig farmer would be more suitable, at least he's used to ordering swine about. Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 olley - 2007-01-28 10:24 PM Hi Michelle not silly at all, of course people will vote you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. People honestly believe that their vote matters, that the next load of jodrell bankers will be different. "hope springs eternal" A hardened old cynic like me just ignores the whole thing, (I haven't voted since 71) and has another glass of vino. :-D Olley Help us out here Olley, is that 1971, or when you turned 71? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi Brian, :-D :-D 1971 still got a few years before I reach 71 Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 olley - 2007-01-28 10:24 PM Hi Michelle not silly at all, of course people will vote you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. People honestly believe that their vote matters, that the next load of jodrell bankers will be different. "hope springs eternal" A hardened old cynic like me just ignores the whole thing, (I haven't voted since 71) and has another glass of vino. :-D Olley Ah but olley my dear friend you have!. If you dont vote the party in power will claim your vote, that is why it is important to vote, There should be a box to tick that says you dont want to vote for any of the partys. but i agree with you about them all being ham shanker's. Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi forester their is a box or should I say boxes, you tick all of them to show that its not sheer apathetic idleness which stops you voting. :-D This is the course that my brother has been urging on me for many years, but to no avail. I look upon my vote as a gift, and you don't give gifts to people you don't like, do you? Their are a few I like, Shirley Williams always seems to be a fairly straight talker, Anthony Benn is lovely to listen to, The Beast of Bolsover always good for a laugh. Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Yes Frank we know all about your various points, but how much credit can Teflon and Grasping claim (which will probably be more than they are entitled to anyway) for improvements made during their 10 year tenure? Government knocking is a national hobby in the UK and it does not suggest any disrespect for the poor souls who were killed defending our rights of freedom from fear, cold and want etc. On the contrary it shows that their deaths were not a complete waste of precious life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 olley - 2007-01-29 12:07 PM I look upon my vote as a gift, and you don't give gifts to people you don't like, do you? Olley I regard it as a hard won right and duty, and was brought up to turn out at every election because people died to give me the vote. What I then do with the 'tick' is up to my conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 olley - 2007-01-29 12:07 PM Shirley Williams always seems to be a fairly straight talker, Olley Did you know 'I whirl aimlessly' is an anagram of a certain politician's name.I rather liked Barbara Castle, unfortunately she allowed herself to be replaced by a man of straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 HI twooks many people died in two world wars to give us freedom, this government has presided over the greatest restriction on civil liberties in the last 100 years, and what has the general population done? same as me zilch. So if I don't want to execise my right to vote that people have died for, who's to say I am wrong? Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 olley - 2007-01-29 3:29 PM HI twooks many people died in two world wars to give us freedom, this government has presided over the greatest restriction on civil liberties in the last 100 years, and what has the general population done? same as me zilch. So if I don't want to execise my right to vote that people have died for, who's to say I am wrong? Olley Olley, as you're still young and hopeful, I'll pose you this question!Assuming a different government had been in power (you can choose!), do you think those restrictions on our liberties would really have been significantly less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olley Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi Brian I like the young bit (lol) (lol) no your right but at least the trains would have run on time. Democracy for us europeans is the best of the present available government systems, imperfect as it is. But over the last years starting with Maggie and now tony we seem to have tyrants in charge. In Maggies defence she was an unashamedly for Britain, and believed in hard work, not payouts to all and sundry. Olley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 olley - 2007-01-29 5:25 PM Hi Brian I like the young bit (lol) (lol) no your right but at least the trains would have run on time. Democracy for us europeans is the best of the present available government systems, imperfect as it is. But over the last years starting with Maggie and now tony we seem to have tyrants in charge. In Maggies defence she was an unashamedly for Britain, and believed in hard work, not payouts to all and sundry. Olley The problem is, it ain't what they say, but what they do that counts. Maggie preached hard labour, but the government was actually not so "tough" as it pretended, while Tony talks all touch feely, but when people try to get at the promised cash, it isn't there!And there I go, adopting the Maggie/Tony line! We're supposed to have government by cabinet, not by individuals.I think we now need an elected president with actual political power, because I just don't see who else could trim these meglomaniac prime ministers. It doesn't have to be as bad as the American system, where the president has far too much power, but just enough clout to be able to say no! And I'd have the power to deploy the armed services subject to agreement by both president and parliament.I think maggie set police public relations back years, particularly with the miners and the poll tax. I didn't agree with Scargill, but the way the police were used by that government that was an abuse of trust. Tony has done exactly the same thing with the armed services in Iraq and Afganistan. These lads join up, for the most part, on some concept of defending the realm. He has abused their trust and the tragedy is, unlike for the most part the police, they get killed as a consequence. No prime minister should be able to commit the services in the way he did, and the opposition were worse than useless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 y'know Brian - for a southerner you're all right!! Olley, - what you choose to do with your vote is entirely up to you, that is what our hard won freedoms are about. But I would say - in general, not necessarily directed to you - if you don't vote then you do forfeit the right to complain about what you get.Me, I voted - had no real say in the outcome because of our system - but at least I feel I have the right to whinge about the outcome and the bankers who run it.Now, if we could elect Jed Bartlett !! [altho even Jed has his faults - but at least he had Leo n CJ .. ..http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/forum_images/smiley16.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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