John52 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 W3526602 - 2018-09-18 9:17 AM Hi, The defence against an accusation of slander or libel is to prove what was said is true. I have a suspicion that it is still a tort (?) to say something that IS true, but intended to defame. I often wondered if writing a Civil Service Annual Staff Report, while wearing my "Hatchet Man" hat could make me vunerable to an accusation of Libel. ??? 602 Pretty hard to prove Corbyn a communist especially since he isn't. So then it comes down to damages. If the Mad Hatter called me a communist it wouldn't do me any harm, (few would believe him anyway) so damages would be too small to claim. But if a credible person called Corbyn a communist it could be expensive as it would damage his election prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 9:35 AM W3526602 - 2018-09-18 9:17 AM Hi, The defence against an accusation of slander or libel is to prove what was said is true. I have a suspicion that it is still a tort (?) to say something that IS true, but intended to defame. I often wondered if writing a Civil Service Annual Staff Report, while wearing my "Hatchet Man" hat could make me vunerable to an accusation of Libel. ??? 602 Pretty hard to prove Corbyn a communist especially since he isn't. So then it comes down to damages. If the Mad Hatter called me a communist it wouldn't do me any harm, (few would believe him anyway) so damages would be too small to claim. But if a credible person called Corbyn a communist it could be expensive as it would damage his election prospects? Which is why he doesn't admit to being a Communist *-) ......... Unlike his brother ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 9:30 AM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 8:17 AM I suppose Hitler, Mussolini and Blair weren't proper Socialists. The Mad Hatter has got something right 8-) PS: Was that a mistake (lol) There's no mistake ;-) ........... Socialists and Communists have a long history of producing tyrants >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-18 10:55 AM Socialists and Communists have a long history of producing tyrants >:-) ........ Tyrants have a long history of latching on to Socialists, Communists, Capitalists, and wherever else they can get a foothold. Politicians like Hitler, Thatcher, Churchill etc needed an enemy. If they join one side they can present the other side as the enemy, and themselves as the saviour. Without an enemy they struggle to find a major role for themselves. Like Churchill after the war. PS: Hitler had actually had a Jewish girlfriend. But he needed an enemy and the Jews were an easy target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 11:41 AM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 10:55 AM Socialists and Communists have a long history of producing tyrants >:-) ........ Tyrants have a long history of latching on to Socialists, Communists, Capitalists, and wherever else they can get a foothold. Politicians like Hitler, Thatcher, Churchill etc needed an enemy. If they join one side they can present the other side as the enemy, and themselves as the saviour. PS: Hitler had actually had a Jewish girlfriend. But he needed an enemy and the Jews were an easy target. Remind me of a capitalist tyrant? :-S ......... You know like those nice Socialist or Communist folk who like to indulge in mass murder and repression of the people >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-18 11:52 AM Remind me of a capitalist tyrant? :-S ......... If I did, you would say they were Socialists *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 More Tyrants may have latched on to the communists because they are easy to join - like the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 11:54 AM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 11:52 AM Remind me of a capitalist tyrant? :-S ......... If I did, you would say they were Socialists *-) So that's a NO then (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 11:59 AM More Tyrants may have latched on to the communists because they are easy to join - like the Church. I dunno......I reckon the scores on the doors are pretty equal between Communists and Socialists ;-) ........ I guess there must be some kinda latent nasty gene in their leaders that only surfaces when they become leader >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I wouldn't label them Capitalists or Socialists because they will do whichever suits themselves. Like the so called Free-Market Capitalist Tories who turn Socialist when it suits them. Tory Government intervention in the housing market to prop up prices - Socialism for the rich posing as free-market Capitalism *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-18 12:16 PM I wouldn't label them Capitalists or Socialists because they will do whichever suits themselves. Sounds like Corbyn ;-) ...........Someone pretending to be a Socialist >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-18 8:11 AM Bulletguy - 2018-09-17 4:59 PM pelmetman - 2018-09-17 9:51 AM John52 - 2018-09-17 9:35 AM If not, why do you think it would be libellous to say someone was not in the armed forces? Because he's effectively calling me a liar ;-) ......... Which does not constitute libel. Libel is a written form likely to defame or cause serious harm to a persons reputation.....such as posting on a public forum implying a person to be a 'Muslim rape apologist' or 'Paedo sympathiser' both of which are libelous statements. defame verb damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel. "he claimed that the article defamed his family" synonyms: libel, slander, malign, cast aspersions on, smear, traduce, blacken the name/character of, give someone a bad name, defame someone's character, sully someone's reputation, run down, speak ill/evil of, back-bite, run a smear campaign against, calumniate, vilify, besmirch, tarnish, stigmatize, disparage, denigrate, discredit, decry, insult, lie about, tell lies about; I reckon you've ticked all of those boxes ;-) ........... Still desperately clutching at straws i see. How far do you think you'd get bringing a legal case on the pathetic example you gave? Bring it on....i'd look forward to seeing you ending up in the same financial mess as Hopkins, and like her, all through your own foolish arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-09-18 2:40 PM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 8:11 AM Bulletguy - 2018-09-17 4:59 PM pelmetman - 2018-09-17 9:51 AM John52 - 2018-09-17 9:35 AM If not, why do you think it would be libellous to say someone was not in the armed forces? Because he's effectively calling me a liar ;-) ......... Which does not constitute libel. Libel is a written form likely to defame or cause serious harm to a persons reputation.....such as posting on a public forum implying a person to be a 'Muslim rape apologist' or 'Paedo sympathiser' both of which are libelous statements. defame verb damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel. "he claimed that the article defamed his family" synonyms: libel, slander, malign, cast aspersions on, smear, traduce, blacken the name/character of, give someone a bad name, defame someone's character, sully someone's reputation, run down, speak ill/evil of, back-bite, run a smear campaign against, calumniate, vilify, besmirch, tarnish, stigmatize, disparage, denigrate, discredit, decry, insult, lie about, tell lies about; I reckon you've ticked all of those boxes ;-) ........... Still desperately clutching at straws i see. How far do you think you'd get bringing a legal case on the pathetic example you gave? Bring it on....i'd look forward to seeing you ending up in the same financial mess as Hopkins, and like her, all through your own foolish arrogance. No need to panic ;-) ........I ain't some soppy leftwing snowflake :D ......... I prefer to return fire >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-18 6:05 PM Bulletguy - 2018-09-18 2:40 PM Still desperately clutching at straws i see. How far do you think you'd get bringing a legal case on the pathetic example you gave? Bring it on....i'd look forward to seeing you ending up in the same financial mess as Hopkins, and like her, all through your own foolish arrogance. No need to panic ;-) ........ Whose panicking? You've been the one desperately clutching at straws. I notice you avoided answering my question too. I ain't some soppy leftwing snowflake :D ......... Just a soppy right whinger snowflake. I prefer to return fire >:-) ......... So i've noticed......all blanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-09-18 8:18 PM So i've noticed......all blanks. I dunno......... they seem to hit the right spot every time :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-09-18 8:18 PM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 6:05 PM I prefer to return fire >:-) ......... So i've noticed......all blanks. Except when the Mad Hatter shoots himself in the foot (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-19 1:49 PM Bulletguy - 2018-09-18 8:18 PM pelmetman - 2018-09-18 6:05 PM I prefer to return fire >:-) ......... So i've noticed......all blanks. Except when the Mad Hatter shoots himself in the foot (lol) With his muddled Brexit head he's already playing Russian roulette....and it won't be long before it's a live round. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 A sensible thing to do would be to look at the evidence, and then form a conclusion from it. B-) Wheras the Mad Hatter forms the conclusion first, and then searches for evidence to suport it (lol) ignoring all the evidence that contradicts it (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-20 4:15 AM A sensible thing to do would be to look at the evidence, and then form a conclusion from it. B-) Wheras the Mad Hatter forms the conclusion first, and then searches for evidence to suport it (lol) ignoring all the evidence that contradicts it (lol) Really? ;-) ........Has Corbyn ever denied being a Communist? :-| ......... Damned if I can find any evidence that he has??? :-S ........... Although there's plenty to suggest he is >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-20 8:55 AM Although there's plenty to suggest (corbyn is a communist). there is in the tripe you read. (lol) Can't see any proof though This is what a communist has to say; Justin Schwartz, works at Law Office of Justin Schwartz Updated Dec 6 2017 · Author has 3.9k answers and 2.3m answer views No. He’s left Labourite. I’m a communist. Corbyn would probably like to see a postcapitalist society, but that’s not what he advocates as a politician, which is more social services, higher taxes on the rich, and an end to discrimination. His politics are pretty typical for the mainstream Western European left. Why doesn’t that make him a communist? Communists want to overthrow capitalism, abolish private property in the means of production, and abolish wage labor in favor of a free association of producers. We’d also like to abolish markets if it’s possible to have a functional society and do so. (I’m not convinced it is.) If Corbyn holds these beliefs, he keeps them to himself. But, as the Old Man said, the communists disdain to conceal their aims. However, that also means we don’t stand a chance in elections in bourgeois democracies. https://www.quora.com/Is-Jeremy-Corbyn-a-communist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-20 9:10 AM pelmetman - 2018-09-20 8:55 AM Although there's plenty to suggest (corbyn is a communist). there is in the tripe you read. (lol) Can't see any proof though This is what a communist has to say; Justin Schwartz, works at Law Office of Justin Schwartz Updated Dec 6 2017 · Author has 3.9k answers and 2.3m answer views No. He’s left Labourite. I’m a communist. Corbyn would probably like to see a postcapitalist society, but that’s not what he advocates as a politician, which is more social services, higher taxes on the rich, and an end to discrimination. His politics are pretty typical for the mainstream Western European left. Why doesn’t that make him a communist? Communists want to overthrow capitalism, abolish private property in the means of production, and abolish wage labor in favor of a free association of producers. We’d also like to abolish markets if it’s possible to have a functional society and do so. (I’m not convinced it is.) If Corbyn holds these beliefs, he keeps them to himself. But, as the Old Man said, the communists disdain to conceal their aims. However, that also means we don’t stand a chance in elections in bourgeois democracies. https://www.quora.com/Is-Jeremy-Corbyn-a-communist I said "HAS CORBYN" ever denied he's a communist? >:-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-20 9:16 AM I said "HAS CORBYN" ever denied he's a communist? >:-) ............ I don't know. You are effectively saying he cannot deny being a communist because he is an honest politician. Mad Hatter shoots himself in the foot again :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 John52 - 2018-09-20 10:58 AM pelmetman - 2018-09-20 9:16 AM I said "HAS CORBYN" ever denied he's a communist? >:-) ............ I don't know. You are effectively saying he cannot deny being a communist because he is an honest politician. Mad Hatter shoots himself in the foot again :-D If he was honest he'd either confirm or deny ;-) ........... All your Comrade Schwartz has confirmed is, if Corbyn admitted to being a Communist .....he'd be unelectable >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-20 11:02 AM If he was honest he'd either confirm or deny ;-) ........... If he was dishonest he would say whatever you want to hear. But if he wants to deal amicably with the world outside the EU now you Brextremists have alienated us from it - much of which is communist, he may not want to give himself any label. Especially since any sympathy with communists will have him compared to Stalin etc in the Tory Media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-09-20 11:02 AM All your Comrade Schwartz has confirmed is, if Corbyn admitted to being a Communist .....he'd be unelectable >:-) ........ Wrong Again (lol) Actually Shwartz 'confirmed' something else which you simply ignored because it doesn't suit your prejudices - 'communists disdain to conceal their aims' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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