Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' Its the Holy Grail of questions. Two and a half years ago there seemed to be a raft of benefits being put forward by the Brexiteers. None whatsoever now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Well they have now moved off their Chatterbox section and its about time the moderators moved in, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 There was an article last week comparing how much the major EU countries pay to each ogher within the EHIC scheme. The UK's NHS is by far the largest net payer. I can't remember the figures, but the likes of France, Spain & Poland recipricale payments were ALL less than 20% of what they received from the UK. So on the face of it..... the EU could be the ones who would negotiate for retaining EHIC. >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Randonneur - 2018-11-01 7:06 PM Well they have now moved off their Chatterbox section and its about time the moderators moved in, The potential effect of Brexit on individuals’ UK passports, the pet-passport scheme and the EHIC card is just as relevant to car and caravan travellers to non-UK EU countries as it is to motorcaravanners. I’m quessing that it should be a simple matter for the Forum Administrator (Daniel Attwood) to create a forum specifically for Brexit-related discussions if he so chose - or to twiddle the little-used “Your Views” forum to make it Brexit-specific. But then the Brexit ’specialists’ that inhabit the Chatterbox forum would inevitably move to the Brexit-specific forum. Realistically, what do you expect the Moderators to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-11-02 8:58 AM Randonneur - 2018-11-01 7:06 PM Well they have now moved off their Chatterbox section and its about time the moderators moved in, The potential effect of Brexit on individuals’ UK passports, the pet-passport scheme and the EHIC card is just as relevant to car and caravan travellers tonon-UK EU countries as it is to motorcaravanners. I’m quessing that it should be a simple matter for the Forum Administrator (Daniel Attwood) to create a forum specifically for Brexit-related discussions if he so chose - or to twiddle the little-used “Your Views” forum to make it Brexit-specific. But then the Brexit ’specialists’ that inhabit the Chatterbox forum would inevitably move to the Brexit-specific forum. Realistically, what do you expect the Moderators to do? I expect some on here would prefer "only" Remoaner views to be allowed in Motorhome Matters ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Sorry Derek, I only asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ Its well known that Vote Leave canvased Asian voters with the promise that a vote to leave the EU would ensure relaxed rules on none EU migration and its happening already. The NHS is already having to recruit from further afield. If there is any truth in the opinions that Brexiteers voted to leave because they didnt like foreigners then it appears they have totally shot themselves i the foot. Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-11-02 8:58 AM Randonneur - 2018-11-01 7:06 PM Well they have now moved off their Chatterbox section and its about time the moderators moved in, The potential effect of Brexit on individuals’ UK passports, the pet-passport scheme and the EHIC card is just as relevant to car and caravan travellers to non-UK EU countries as it is to motorcaravanners. Realistically, what do you expect the Moderators to do? Correct Derek and why i specifically opened the thread here rather than Chatterbox as it's just one of many matters which could impact those of us who've previously benefited from unfettered travel in Europe. Unfortunately the thread got hijacked early on and plain to see by whom. I don't know quite how 'modding' works on OAL, but other forums simply remove offending posts which is what i would do. It's certainly far more effective than locking a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ I Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. Who the hell cares. i have been going to euroland longer than I care to remember and have never used the EHIC or its predecessor the E111. I buy one of the many well priced UK insurance policies that are available to anyone who cares to look. Currently use the nfop scheme and it does not get any better value than this. OK the very few folks who want to wander around for more than three months may have to suffer but we do not even know this yet. Why not try a bit of optimism Barry instead of the relentless whingeing, what is wrong with you does standing on your own feet, as the UK will now do, worry you so much, pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 rupert123 - 2018-11-02 3:52 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ I Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. Who the hell cares. i have been going to euroland longer than I care to remember and have never used the EHIC or its predecessor the E111. I buy one of the many well priced UK insurance policies that are available to anyone who cares to look. Currently use the nfop scheme and it does not get any better value than this. OK the very few folks who want to wander around for more than three months may have to suffer but we do not even know this yet. Why not try a bit of optimism Barry instead of the relentless whingeing, what is wrong with you does standing on your own feet, as the UK will now do, worry you so much, pathetic. I care as do thousands of others. Buying travel insurance is fine as long as come crunch time when you really need it you dont suddenly find out its not worth the paper its written on. Mrs D suffers from Kidney stones and has done for years. One of her main issues is occasionally she cannot pass them and this can result in a life threatening situation where it has to be surgically removed. I wonder how she will get on getting cover for that as its happened on two occasions while we were away. Once in Italy and once in France. In italy it involved me racing down a mountain in the Alps to a Hospital in the vanl, Then followed an emergency procedure followed by two ambulance journeys through the Alps to another hospital in Trento where I had to follow at break neck speed in the motorhome. The incident in France was similar but not as dramatic. EHIC card saw to it all. I dread to think what the bill will have been, especially in Italy. How many insurers will cover her for that and even if they will at what cost? The three month rule is the rules. The only way we will avoid that is staying in the single market and accepting free movement. Yeah I know all about standing on my own two feet. Ive done that all my life, I was running my own business at 15 and probably making more money by the time I left school than most adults twice my age. Ive been in business most of my life and I am not afraid of risk but I know a pig in a poke when I see one which is exactly what Brexit is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ Its well known that Vote Leave canvased Asian voters with the promise that a vote to leave the EU would ensure relaxed rules on none EU migration and its happening already. The NHS is already having to recruit from further afield. If there is any truth in the opinions that Brexiteers voted to leave because they didnt like foreigners then it appears they have totally shot themselves i the foot. Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. And here's what the ONS have to say on the matter. We advise users to avoid looking at the latest year-on-year change and instead look at the broader evidence and longer time series following unusual patterns seen for non-EU student immigration in 2016. 'Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.' comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirehaired Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 It isn't scaremongering it could very well be reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM Its well known that Vote Leave canvased Asian voters with the promise that a vote to leave the EU would ensure relaxed rules on none EU migration and its happening already. The NHS is already having to recruit from further afield. If there is any truth in the opinions that Brexiteers voted to leave because they didnt like foreigners then it appears they have totally shot themselves i the foot. On another forum I'm a member of there is a member who is a Christian and takes every opportunity to criticize Muslims, in fact at the moment there is a thread running on which he is getting some stick for posting that the god of Christianity is not the same as the god of Islam. Pre the referendum I pointed out that if we left EU there was likely to be more Muslims coming into the country, he was more concerned that we left the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 4:17 PM rupert123 - 2018-11-02 3:52 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ I Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. Who the hell cares. i have been going to euroland longer than I care to remember and have never used the EHIC or its predecessor the E111. I buy one of the many well priced UK insurance policies that are available to anyone who cares to look. Currently use the nfop scheme and it does not get any better value than this. OK the very few folks who want to wander around for more than three months may have to suffer but we do not even know this yet. Why not try a bit of optimism Barry instead of the relentless whingeing, what is wrong with you does standing on your own feet, as the UK will now do, worry you so much, pathetic. I care as do thousands of others. Buying travel insurance is fine as long as come crunch time when you really need it you dont suddenly find out its not worth the paper its written on. Mrs D suffers from Kidney stones and has done for years. One of her main issues is occasionally she cannot pass them and this can result in a life threatening situation where it has to be surgically removed. I wonder how she will get on getting cover for that as its happened on two occasions while we were away. Once in Italy and once in France. In italy it involved me racing down a mountain in the Alps to a Hospital in the vanl, Then followed an emergency procedure followed by two ambulance journeys through the Alps to another hospital in Trento where I had to follow at break neck speed in the motorhome. The incident in France was similar but not as dramatic. EHIC card saw to it all. I dread to think what the bill will have been, especially in Italy. How many insurers will cover her for that and even if they will at what cost? The three month rule is the rules. The only way we will avoid that is staying in the single market and accepting free movement. Yeah I know all about standing on my own two feet. Ive done that all my life, I was running my own business at 15 and probably making more money by the time I left school than most adults twice my age. Ive been in business most of my life and I am not afraid of risk but I know a pig in a poke when I see one which is exactly what Brexit is. Sorry to hear about the wife Barry but I to have had this situation and insurance fully covered it. As long as you declare the problem and do not travel against medical advice what is the problem. The nfop scheme only has one 'don,t' which is you do not travel against medical advice. As for the three month rule is the rules more rubbish, it has not yet been decided. Why keep seeing problems that may well not exist. I to voted to stay but I accept we had a vote and it was fair, the majority voted to leave and we are going to. Just lets get on with it and have the best possible outcome. Since the vote I am beginning to change my mind as none of the forecasts by everyone from the bank of England to all the financial experts came about, in fact the opposite happened in most cases. When it is complete and we get a fair deal, which I now believe we will, just watch the pound rocket and UK business boom. Also watch euroland fall apart, although I have no wish to see this happen big changes need to be made. Incidentally when I belonged to MHF I used to make a point of reading your posts, always entertaining with your euro trips plus some decent hints about camping and places to see. For goodness sake get back to your amusing self and lose the hand wringing over a vote you lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 rupert123 - 2018-11-02 9:10 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 4:17 PM rupert123 - 2018-11-02 3:52 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-02 12:48 PM colin - 2018-11-01 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-01 6:21 PM colin - 2018-11-01 4:16 PM phalange - 2018-11-01 3:46 PM i'm still waiting for somebody to come up with a 'brexit benefit' It would appear that some benefits are already happening, there is a downturn in immigration from the EU, this appears to have resulted in low unemployment and increasing wages. Yep and and immigration from outside of Europe has risen rapidly to compensate from Asia mainly. All Brexit will do as far as immigration is concerned is see off our nearest neighbours and replace them with people from Africa and Asia. Its happening now and we havent even left yet. You need to put the ONS right then, as they believe non EU immigration to be stable. This is based on ONS Figures. Look at the chart since the brexit vote. EU migration down, now EU migration up https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ I Sorry, off topic I know but there is little else to say on EHIC. Chances are we will lose it. David Davis said that yonks ago so its probably one thing he got right. Who the hell cares. i have been going to euroland longer than I care to remember and have never used the EHIC or its predecessor the E111. I buy one of the many well priced UK insurance policies that are available to anyone who cares to look. Currently use the nfop scheme and it does not get any better value than this. OK the very few folks who want to wander around for more than three months may have to suffer but we do not even know this yet. Why not try a bit of optimism Barry instead of the relentless whingeing, what is wrong with you does standing on your own feet, as the UK will now do, worry you so much, pathetic. I care as do thousands of others. Buying travel insurance is fine as long as come crunch time when you really need it you dont suddenly find out its not worth the paper its written on. Mrs D suffers from Kidney stones and has done for years. One of her main issues is occasionally she cannot pass them and this can result in a life threatening situation where it has to be surgically removed. I wonder how she will get on getting cover for that as its happened on two occasions while we were away. Once in Italy and once in France. In italy it involved me racing down a mountain in the Alps to a Hospital in the vanl, Then followed an emergency procedure followed by two ambulance journeys through the Alps to another hospital in Trento where I had to follow at break neck speed in the motorhome. The incident in France was similar but not as dramatic. EHIC card saw to it all. I dread to think what the bill will have been, especially in Italy. How many insurers will cover her for that and even if they will at what cost? The three month rule is the rules. The only way we will avoid that is staying in the single market and accepting free movement. Yeah I know all about standing on my own two feet. Ive done that all my life, I was running my own business at 15 and probably making more money by the time I left school than most adults twice my age. Ive been in business most of my life and I am not afraid of risk but I know a pig in a poke when I see one which is exactly what Brexit is. Sorry to hear about the wife Barry but I to have had this situation and insurance fully covered it. As long as you declare the problem and do not travel against medical advice what is the problem. The nfop scheme only has one 'don,t' which is you do not travel against medical advice. As for the three month rule is the rules more rubbish, it has not yet been decided. Why keep seeing problems that may well not exist. I to voted to stay but I accept we had a vote and it was fair, the majority voted to leave and we are going to. Just lets get on with it and have the best possible outcome. Since the vote I am beginning to change my mind as none of the forecasts by everyone from the bank of England to all the financial experts came about, in fact the opposite happened in most cases. When it is complete and we get a fair deal, which I now believe we will, just watch the pound rocket and UK business boom. Also watch euroland fall apart, although I have no wish to see this happen big changes need to be made. Incidentally when I belonged to MHF I used to make a point of reading your posts, always entertaining with your euro trips plus some decent hints about camping and places to see. For goodness sake get back to your amusing self and lose the hand wringing over a vote you lost. Sorry Rupert but we have all lost. There will be no winners apart from maybe the likes of Arron Banks and Jacob Rees Smug. Motorhomers (which is what this thread is about) will lose out big style and the irony is that most of them voted to leave. Your right though, nothing has been decided but 100% Unless your wonderful deal your confident about includes single market access and free movement three months will be your limit in Schengen or do people still believe that because its little old UK that wont apply to us? Hows it going so far us going around saying "Do you know who we are"? Dont worry, I still have plenty of time for trips and enjoying life but taking aside the damage Brexit will do to us all its clear to me the damage it will do for those of us that have enjoyed many years touring across the water and for what? There hasnt been a single positive post anywhere on the Internet regarding Brexit for as long as I can remember yet here we are chugging towards the edge of the cliff. Its like half the country just lost their marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirehaired Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Most will be coming from India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Wirehaired - 2018-11-02 11:01 PM Most will be coming from India. I'd rather allow a Indian brain surgeon than a Romanian pickpocket into the country.......... Wouldn't you? :-S .......... Which is why we Brexiteers want to take back control of our immigration system B-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-03 7:34 AM Wirehaired - 2018-11-02 11:01 PM Most will be coming from India. I'd rather allow a Indian brain surgeon than a Romanian pickpocket into the country.......... Wouldn't you? :-S .......... Which is why we Brexiteers want to take back control of our immigration system B-) ....... What makes you think you will have any more control of immigration if there is a free movement deal done with India for example as part of a trade deal than we have now or any other country for that matter? We have proper border controls now despite what the Brexiteers will tell you and always had control over them. We can refuse entry to undesirables and kick out people who are criminals. I am sure there are as many pick pockets in India as there are in Romania. They wont all be brain surgeons. If you think swapping immigration from the EU to the rest of the world will reduce migrant crime (Which is small anyway) you want your bumps feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-03 8:35 AM We have proper border controls now despite what the Brexiteers will tell you and always had control over them. We can refuse entry to undesirables and kick out people who are criminals. Really? *-) ...............Why have we record numbers of foreign criminals in our prisons?????? :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 rupert123 - 2018-11-02 9:10 PM...………………………... Why keep seeing problems that may well not exist. I to voted to stay but I accept we had a vote and it was fair, the majority voted to leave and we are going to. Just lets get on with it and have the best possible outcome. ………………... Why? Because someone has to, Henry. It's called risk management. If those who foresee the risks don't flag them up before the event, we are all liable to stumble into them after the event. Of course some may not materialise, that is the nature of forecasting. But, that some don't should not be taken as in indication that none will. If we are sensible, we put in place measures to forestall the risk should it arise. Then, if it happens, its impact is diminished (or ideally avoided altogether). I do not see the advantages in Brexit, and to date have not seen anyone set them out in reasoned terms. It is all vague assertions with no backing. I can, however, see many disadvantages, and have seen these set out with reasoned backing. On balance, therefore, I am persuaded that Brexit will prove a national mistake that will blight our economy for years, and with that the living standards of many of our fellow citizens. I don't want to see that - even if some of the Brexiter majority do. So, on the simple basis that more people than me saw advantages that I cannot, am I supposed to fall in behind them and just wait and see, and then, after the damage has been done, go around saying "I told you so"? Or should I try, wherever and whenever the chance arises, argue for the damage to be avoided by, at the very least, giving everyone a chance to change their minds now that we can all see so much more clearly what the consequences for our economy might be. There was no question in that referendum that touched on its possible consequences, just a simple in/out question. If one foreseeable outcome is that we all get poorer, and if there is no evidence (save wishful thinking) that we shall instead be better off, are we all supposed to suspend judgement in the name of democracy. Whose interest would that serve? How is that democratic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-03 7:34 AM Wirehaired - 2018-11-02 11:01 PM Most will be coming from India. I'd rather allow a Indian brain surgeon than a Romanian pickpocket into the country.......... Wouldn't you? :-S .......... Which is why we Brexiteers want to take back control of our immigration system B-) ....... So what about a Romanian brain surgeon and an Indian pick-pocket? Is that a better mix? We have control of our immigration system, the problem is that our government doesn't want to use it. Now, why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-03 8:47 AM rupert123 - 2018-11-02 9:10 PM...………………………... Why keep seeing problems that may well not exist. I to voted to stay but I accept we had a vote and it was fair, the majority voted to leave and we are going to. Just lets get on with it and have the best possible outcome. ………………... Why? Because someone has to, Henry. It's called risk management. If those who foresee the risks don't flag them up before the event, we are all liable to stumble into them after the event. Of course some may not materialise, that is the nature of forecasting. But, that some don't should not be taken as in indication that none will. If we are sensible, we put in place measures to forestall the risk should it arise. Then, if it happens, its impact is diminished (or ideally avoided altogether). I do not see the advantages in Brexit, and to date have not seen anyone set them out in reasoned terms. It is all vague assertions with no backing. I can, however, see many disadvantages, and have seen these set out with reasoned backing. On balance, therefore, I am persuaded that Brexit will prove a national mistake that will blight our economy for years, and with that the living standards of many of our fellow citizens. I don't want to see that - even if some of the Brexiter majority do. So, on the simple basis that more people than me saw advantages that I cannot, am I supposed to fall in behind them and just wait and see, and then, after the damage has been done, go around saying "I told you so"? Or should I try, wherever and whenever the chance arises, argue for the damage to be avoided by, at the very least, giving everyone a chance to change their minds now that we can all see so much more clearly what the consequences for our economy might be. There was no question in that referendum that touched on its possible consequences, just a simple in/out question. If one foreseeable outcome is that we all get poorer, and if there is no evidence (save wishful thinking) that we shall instead be better off, are we all supposed to suspend judgement in the name of democracy. Whose interest would that serve? How is that democratic? Since when did scaremongering propaganda by the self serving vested interests become "Risk management"? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-11-02 8:58 AM Randonneur - 2018-11-01 7:06 PM Well they have now moved off their Chatterbox section and its about time the moderators moved in, The potential effect of Brexit on individuals’ UK passports, the pet-passport scheme and the EHIC card is just as relevant to car and caravan travellers to non-UK EU countries as it is to motorcaravanners. I’m quessing that it should be a simple matter for the Forum Administrator (Daniel Attwood) to create a forum specifically for Brexit-related discussions if he so chose - or to twiddle the little-used “Your Views” forum to make it Brexit-specific. But then the Brexit ’specialists’ that inhabit the Chatterbox forum would inevitably move to the Brexit-specific forum. Realistically, what do you expect the Moderators to do? I’ve now looked at the Brexit-related postings on the Chatterbox forum during the last month and (as Randonneur says) it’s plain that the main players on this thread are just using the Motorhome Matters forum as a platform for exactly the same views they’ve been expressing on Chatterbox. The EHIC/motorhome issue has been more than sufficiently discuused, so I’ve frozen this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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