Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-08 10:02 PM That boast may well come back to haunt you. In your wet dreams Bullet :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-08 10:10 PM Bulletguy - 2018-11-08 10:02 PM That boast may well come back to haunt you. In your wet dreams Bullet :D ......... Put your bottles away, take your dummy with you, a copy of the Beano, and get off to bed. You're drunk......again. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 There have been two news items today which suggest that a) we are vulnerable and b) the French have already identified and are applying hostile measures.A Study has shown that for purposes of importing and exporting goods and food, the Dover-Calais route has become an indespensible one, which we simply cannot do without; if the French decide to obstruct it, which can easily do, we will very quickly be in serious difficulties.The second news item concerns Britsh expatriates who are resident in France who, it turns out, will need a permit for permanent residency once UK leaves the EU, something that was hitherto unnecessary because of the overriding EU entitlement to free movement. The French have a system for applying for permanent residency which involves an on-line application for an appointment, so you can them lodge your application. There are very few appointment slots being made available and a French politician who was interviewed about this said there were no resources for increasing the number of appointments and he saw no reason why France should allocate more resources to solve a problem which was not of France's making (and, he might have added, of no value to France). There are also some requirements for permanent residency which willcome into play, for example a minimum income; there was a news report of a woman with three teenage children who falls foul of this criterion. What seems likely to happen is that most ex-pat Brits who are currently resident in France will not be able to make their application for permanent residency because they won't be able to get an appointment,and will therefore become liable to deportation when the UK leaves the EU without a deal. Their French property will be difficult or impossible to sell so they might need to abandon it. They might even end up returning to UK as money-strapped refugees.Perhaps we do need to have some plans for retribution up our sleeves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-08 9:51 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 9:44 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-08 8:48 PM Bulletguy - 2018-11-08 8:42 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:40 PM Glad you have wealth to spread around Dave. Those fines for illegal immigrants / over stayers in Schengen are pretty steep. Between €700 - 1000...not to mention deportation, but even a fine goes on record making it extremely difficult to enter any Schengen country. A travel ban is the most severe. I noticed this year police are taking a more proactive stance than usual on UK reg vehicles and in Romania alone i had four random police roadside checks where previous years they've never bothered. They're gearing up. Blah blah blah Bullet :D .......... I've more chance of wining on my Premium Bonds than I have of getting kicked out off Spain ;-) ........... Maybe the reason they're checking on UK reg'd vehicles in Romania is to see if they're stolen? :-| ....... Dont drive back through France then. i wonder how the French customs will react when the computer flags up you have overstayed by a month or two and your visa has run out. Maybe the Spanish will turn a blind eye but I wouldnt be so sure about the French. Although having said that, arent the Spanish rozzers a bit keen to dish out fines when they are strapped for cash? What are they going to do???? ;-) ........ Deport me >:-) ........ Perhaps I shouldn't bother booking a ferry home? B-) .......... Oh i dunno, lets see. This thread is a joke thread about retribution, seems funny now but lets say Brexit starts to harm the French or Spanish economy, maybe that Rozzer that just stopped you, his son or wife just lost their job and he blames the Brits and Brexit and he discovers your 30 days over your visa limit. Yeah they probably will deport you, maybe they will fine you a thousand Euros though and flag you up as an overstayer and your banned from coming back. Maybe they will seize your vehicle when tney discover its not insured. Who knows? The facts are though that there is a 90 day limit for travel in Schengen for non EU visitors and overstayers are caught and dealt with severely. Good luck "getting away with it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 President Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 StuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 The most effective thing we could do would be to threaten NOT to leave! We would resume membership almost as before, but we would behave with even less commitment than before. We were half hearted at best, and under Tory governments made no secret of our dislike of clubs that are not exclusive. I suspect that the remaining countries would find ways of dealing with us,and I’m not sure I would like to be associated with the probable behaviour: but belligerance we could do pretty well, Regards, Snowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 snowie - 2018-11-10 11:00 AM The most effective thing we could do would be to threaten NOT to leave! We would resume membership almost as before, but we would behave with even less commitment than before. We were half hearted at best, and under Tory governments made no secret of our dislike of clubs that are not exclusive. I suspect that the remaining countries would find ways of dealing with us,and I’m not sure I would like to be associated with the probable behaviour: but belligerance we could do pretty well, Regards, Snowie You "Almost" make staying tempting :D ............ But I'm quite sure the EU is capable of causing their own demise ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-10 11:15 AM You "Almost" make staying tempting :D ............ But I'm quite sure the EU is capable of causing their own demise ;-) ........ Well maybe they could promise structural change and less enthusiasm for EU federalism? We could get enthusiastic about making the system work for the 21st century. Maybe when the “old timers” who’ve been objecting since we joined have shuffled on, in all countries of the EU, our kids will have a chance of making a difference. Snowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 snowie - 2018-11-10 1:02 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-10 11:15 AM You "Almost" make staying tempting :D ............ But I'm quite sure the EU is capable of causing their own demise ;-) ........ Well maybe they could promise structural change and less enthusiasm for EU federalism? We could get enthusiastic about making the system work for the 21st century. Maybe when the “old timers” who’ve been objecting since we joined have shuffled on, in all countries of the EU, our kids will have a chance of making a difference. Snowie You mean before they become old and grumpy after decades more of EU cobblers? ;-) ......... BTW had I had the vote in 74, I'd of probably voted to join.......as I too was suckered by the Joiners LIES *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 StuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AM President Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course. Little man syndrome? Re. ww2 and US it's worth remembering their next door neighbour, Canada, had given us assistance just nine days after we declared war on Germany. The US didn't get off their backsides until two years and three months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 malc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)He's defending his country from migrant invasion ;-) ..........Which is prolly a strange thought to EU open door surrender monkeys *-) .......Who naturally don't have a answer to it?........Despite living in their migrant free enclaves >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)I saw a clip of Fox news where one of their "experts " said that some of the immigrants from South America were bringing smallpox.As Trump relies on Fox for his " facts " you can quite see why he is panicking.( Note : experts on " real world " channels quickly pointed out that smallpox was eradicated from the world in 1978 ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-10 4:38 PMBulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)He's defending his country from migrant invasion ;-) ..........America was built on migrants you dummy......without them it wouldn't exist as it does today. The only non-migrant Americans are native Americans.You also need to read up on some facts to learn what's brought this current situation about.....constant US meddling.https://medium.com/s/story/timeline-us-intervention-central-america-a9bea9ebc148https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/06/10/564539/US-Meddling-in-Latin-Americahttps://progressivevoicesofiowa.com/2017/10/10/us-interventions-have-destabilized-central-america/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 malc d - 2018-11-10 4:56 PMBulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)I saw a clip of Fox news where one of their "experts " said that some of the immigrants from South America were bringing smallpox.As Trump relies on Fox for his " facts " you can quite see why he is panicking.( Note : experts on " real world " channels quickly pointed out that smallpox was eradicated from the world in 1978 ).He needs sectioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 malc d - 2018-11-10 4:56 PMBulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)I saw a clip of Fox news where one of their "experts " said that some of the immigrants from South America were bringing smallpox.As Trump relies on Fox for his " facts " you can quite see why he is panicking.( Note : experts on " real world " channels quickly pointed out that smallpox was eradicated from the world in 1978 ).So was Rickets apparently in the UK *-) ........https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/23/poorer-children-disproportionately-need-hospital-treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-10 5:01 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 4:56 PMBulletguy - 2018-11-10 4:18 PMmalc d - 2018-11-10 9:42 AMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Well, in view of Trumps plans to " punish " countries ( including Europeans ) who don't fall in line with HIS policies on Iran - it's not really surprising that Macron would say something like that.That's just politics. :-|Geography has never been one of Trumps strong points (not that he has any other than a big gob) so it's questionable if he even knows where Iran is!! He's so unhinged he's even been claiming the "caravan" of Central Americans about to "invade", are people from the Middle East! *-)I saw a clip of Fox news where one of their "experts " said that some of the immigrants from South America were bringing smallpox.As Trump relies on Fox for his " facts " you can quite see why he is panicking.( Note : experts on " real world " channels quickly pointed out that smallpox was eradicated from the world in 1978 ).He needs sectioning.Oh how you Socialists hate us realists >:-) .........But carry on defending the indefensible Bullet :D ......I'm more than happy to p*ss on your parade ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 StuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Can you imagine the chain of command for a European defence force? The war would be over before the first order had been given. It's nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-10 5:37 PMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Can you imagine the chain of command for a European defence force? The war would be over before the first order had been given. It's nuts!That's your fabulous EU your slagging off Brian :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-10 5:37 PMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course. Little man syndrome? Can you imagine the chain of command for a European defence force? The war would be over before the first order had been given. It's nuts! The EUkeenies, which include Macron, are aiming for a Federal Europe are they not (ever closer union?) so that would include an EU Army etc and the President of the EU (currently Tusk rather than Junkers) would have to be Commander in Chief? But the national politicians of the Allies in WW1 and WW2 did keep a veto on what their troops could be used for didn't they - and there were disagreements, weren't there? But I expect the EU would direct their armed forces by committee in some way or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 StuartO - 2018-11-10 6:26 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-11-10 5:37 PMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Can you imagine the chain of command for a European defence force? The war would be over before the first order had been given. It's nuts! The EUkeenies, which include Macron, are aiming for a Federal Europe are they not (ever closer union?) so that would include an EU Army etc and the President of the EU (currently Tusk rather than Junkers) would have to be Commander in Chief? But the national politicians of the Allies in WW1 and WW2 did keep a veto on what their troops could be used for didn't they - and there were disagreements, weren't there? But I expect the EU would direct their armed forces by committee in some way or other.I suspect they'll use any EU army to invade any country, brave enough to think they can leave the EU La La Land ( Fourth Reich) after us >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-10 6:11 PM...………………...That's your fabulous EU your slagging off Brian :D ....... Not fabulous, flawed, but better to be a part of than not. This idea is just that, an idea, and I think it is nuts for the reason given. Who would be authorised to give the order to attack? All 27? I mean! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 StuartO - 2018-11-10 6:26 PMBrian Kirby - 2018-11-10 5:37 PMStuartO - 2018-11-10 9:21 AMPresident Macron's public urging of his EU colleagues to form an EU Army so the EU can resist among other nations the USA has, unsurprisingly, attracted contemptuous disapproval from President Trump in the run up to the latter's visit to France in connection with the centenary of the end of WW1 - which of course was brought to a close with the considerable assistance of the USA. Same again with WW2 of course.Little man syndrome?Can you imagine the chain of command for a European defence force? The war would be over before the first order had been given. It's nuts! The EUkeenies, which include Macron, are aiming for a Federal Europe are they not (ever closer union?) so that would include an EU Army etc and the President of the EU (currently Tusk rather than Junkers) would have to be Commander in Chief? But the national politicians of the Allies in WW1 and WW2 did keep a veto on what their troops could be used for didn't they - and there were disagreements, weren't there? But I expect the EU would direct their armed forces by committee in some way or other.Yes, but by then the WW2 allies were already engaged in the war against a common enemy. This requires the EU forces to be given a command to engage. Some shouting attack, others shouting wait and see. Federalism hasn't yet completely unified the USA, after how many years? The States aren't always that united, and they all have some form of state militia with (I think) only the president able to commit troops to action on his command. I just can't see either the ultra federalists getting the support they'd need, or being able to secure the political support to decide whose guns get pointed at who. All pipe dreams, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-10 6:36 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-10 6:11 PM...………………...That's your fabulous EU your slagging off Brian :D ....... Not fabulous, flawed, but better to be a part of than not. This idea is just that, an idea, and I think it is nuts for the reason given. Who would be authorised to give the order to attack? All 27? I mean! :-D The trouble with EU flaws.......they become laws *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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