antony1969 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 3:57 PM This is very strange Dave. Can you say where you found the evidence for your claim that "Remoaners want to let any old scroat in", please? You'll be saying next that the UK has no power to restrict EU migration while we remain members! The evidence is sitting in our prisons Brian *-) .......... So, because there are some EU migrants (out of the 3.8 million EU migrants living here - Daily mail figure just for you! :-)) in UK prisons, all EU migrants should be classified as "any old scroats"? I understand there are also one or two UK born people in UK prisons, even some whose parents and grandparents were UK born. So what does that make you? :-D The percentage of the total EU migrant population in UK prisons is slightly above that for the non-EU population (1.6 per 1000 as opposed to 1.5 per 1000), but I have no idea what their crimes were. Still, it hardly seems to justify your "any old scroat" claim. But, if what you meant was that you actually think "remainers" want to let in people from the EU (or anywhere else), irrespective of whether they are, or later become, criminals, your opinion of half your fellow countrymen is verging on paranoid. Where on earth do you get this nonsense? What difference does it make "what their crimes were" ... I know someone very close to me , a serving police officer who if he isnt running around chasing our wonderful Muslim community is chasing round east Europeans ... Multiculturalism dont half make for good overtime for our cops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 5:28 PM But, if what you meant was that you actually think "remainers" want to let in people from the EU (or anywhere else), irrespective of whether they are, or later become, criminals, your opinion of half your fellow countrymen is verging on paranoid. Where on earth do you get this nonsense? It's not paranoia Brian *-) ......... If you cant control who comes in, then you cant stop EU scroats from entering :-| ............ The only nonsense being peddled.........Is by you Remoaners ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 The starting point for this string was the contrast between EU and non-EU migration figures, which show that as EU migration (that which it is falsely claimed we cannot control) has fallen, non-EU migration (which we have always been able to control) has risen. The point of that is, I think, that overall migration, whatever the government says about reducing it, is being allowed to rise. After all, if the government really wanted it to fall, they could sharply reduce migration from outside the EU, and control migration from within the EU in accordance with EU rules (which, from the figures, no government has done since we joined). So, the problem for those who want migration to be reduced is why the UK government does not do this. The answer appears to be that the government has decided the UK needs those migrants to pay for the growing cost of its ageing population. As when the post war bulge became apparent, followed by the birth rate falling, making it obvious that welfare and pension costs would rise into the future, successive governments preferred to kick that can also into the future - which, for us, is our present. Have you tried asking your MP what s/he expects to happen when the migrants begin to age and need more welfare and draw their pensions? Perhaps you should. The second point is that most, if not all, Muslim faith immigrants do not come from within the EU, so such immigrants are not the result of EU membership. So, as the government is uninclined to reduce migration flows from whichever source, it seems your police friend will have many overtime payments to look forward to. Best of all for him/her is that leaving the EU won't make the tiniest bit of difference, because it is what the government wants, so s/he has a job for life. But you knew all this when you voted Brexit, didn't you? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 6:21 PM The starting point for this string was the contrast between EU and non-EU migration figures, which show that as EU migration (that which it is falsely claimed we cannot control) has fallen, non-EU migration (which we have always been able to control) has risen. The point of that is, I think, that overall migration, whatever the government says about reducing it, is being allowed to rise. After all, if the government really wanted it to fall, they could sharply reduce migration from outside the EU, and control migration from within the EU in accordance with EU rules (which, from the figures, no government has done since we joined). So, the problem for those who want migration to be reduced is why the UK government does not do this. The answer appears to be that the government has decided the UK needs those migrants to pay for the growing cost of its ageing population. As when the post war bulge became apparent, followed by the birth rate falling, making it obvious that welfare and pension costs would rise into the future, successive governments preferred to kick that can also into the future - which, for us, is our present. Have you tried asking your MP what s/he expects to happen when the migrants begin to age and need more welfare and draw their pensions? Perhaps you should. The second point is that most, if not all, Muslim faith immigrants do not come from within the EU, so such immigrants are not the result of EU membership. So, as the government is uninclined to reduce migration flows from whichever source, it seems your police friend will have many overtime payments to look forward to. Best of all for him/her is that leaving the EU won't make the tiniest bit of difference, because it is what the government wants, so s/he has a job for life. But you knew all this when you voted Brexit, didn't you? :-D More Remoaner propaganda Brian *-) ......... Overall migration figures are steady ;-) ......... Plus those who do not have access to the ECJ will be easier to kick out if they transgress :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:49 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-01 4:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 3:57 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 8:07 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-30 9:12 PM Ah i see so are you now saying you did not want to stop freedom of movement.....or you did? Which is it? Brexiteers "sensibly" want controlled migration, where as you Remoaners want to let any old scroat in *-) ......... A perfect example principled of stupidity >:-) ....... This is very strange Dave. Can you say where you found the evidence for your claim that "Remoaners want to let any old scroat in", please? You'll be saying next that the UK has no power to restrict EU migration while we remain members! The evidence is sitting in our prisons Brian *-) .......... Of which how many are UK nationals? *-) There should be 81.9% white Brits in prison if you want to use statistics? ;-) .......... Are you suggesting only white people qualify as "British"? *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-01 8:13 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:49 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-01 4:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 3:57 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 8:07 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-30 9:12 PM Ah i see so are you now saying you did not want to stop freedom of movement.....or you did? Which is it? Brexiteers "sensibly" want controlled migration, where as you Remoaners want to let any old scroat in *-) ......... A perfect example principled of stupidity >:-) ....... This is very strange Dave. Can you say where you found the evidence for your claim that "Remoaners want to let any old scroat in", please? You'll be saying next that the UK has no power to restrict EU migration while we remain members! The evidence is sitting in our prisons Brian *-) .......... Of which how many are UK nationals? *-) There should be 81.9% white Brits in prison if you want to use statistics? ;-) .......... Are you suggesting only white people qualify as "British"? *-) Nope... I'm suggesting that all things being equal......ie being from a certain demographic and a scroat, then the numbers in our prisons should reflect those percentages ;-) .......... So there should be approximately 81.9% white Brits in our prisons........but there's not is there Bullet? >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 8:38 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-01 8:13 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:49 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-01 4:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 3:57 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 8:07 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-30 9:12 PM Ah i see so are you now saying you did not want to stop freedom of movement.....or you did? Which is it? Brexiteers "sensibly" want controlled migration, where as you Remoaners want to let any old scroat in *-) ......... A perfect example principled of stupidity >:-) ....... This is very strange Dave. Can you say where you found the evidence for your claim that "Remoaners want to let any old scroat in", please? You'll be saying next that the UK has no power to restrict EU migration while we remain members! The evidence is sitting in our prisons Brian *-) .......... Of which how many are UK nationals? *-) There should be 81.9% white Brits in prison if you want to use statistics? ;-) .......... Are you suggesting only white people qualify as "British"? *-) Nope... I'm suggesting that all things being equal......ie being from a certain demographic and a scroat, then the numbers in our prisons should reflect those percentages ;-) .......... So there should be approximately 81.9% white Brits in our prisons........but there's not is there Bullet? >:-) ........ You're dancing around like some mad whirling dervish here trying to prop up some batsh1t bonkers assumption. Yesterday Brian gave you a very informed comprehensive response to what you've been waffling but i noted you were unable to debate his post so cut it down to the few lines you felt you could 'cope' with, only to end up waffling more nonsensical rubbish about "EU scroats" and "Remoaners". So perhaps you can try again as i think Brians points deserve more considered thought and a logical sensible reply. Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 3:57 PM This is very strange Dave. Can you say where you found the evidence for your claim that "Remoaners want to let any old scroat in", please? You'll be saying next that the UK has no power to restrict EU migration while we remain members! The evidence is sitting in our prisons Brian *-) .......... So, because there are some EU migrants (out of the 3.8 million EU migrants living here - Daily mail figure just for you! :-)) in UK prisons, all EU migrants should be classified as "any old scroats"? I understand there are also one or two UK born people in UK prisons, even some whose parents and grandparents were UK born. So what does that make you? :-D The percentage of the total EU migrant population in UK prisons is slightly above that for the non-EU population (1.6 per 1000 as opposed to 1.5 per 1000), but I have no idea what their crimes were. Still, it hardly seems to justify your "any old scroat" claim. But, if what you meant was that you actually think "remainers" want to let in people from the EU (or anywhere else), irrespective of whether they are, or later become, criminals, your opinion of half your fellow countrymen is verging on paranoid. Where on earth do you get this nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... you could argue though that the huge rise in None EU immigration and decline in EU immigration since the referendum are a perfect example of the "unintended consequences" of "unthinking" Brexit through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-01 6:10 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 5:28 PM But, if what you meant was that you actually think "remainers" want to let in people from the EU (or anywhere else), irrespective of whether they are, or later become, criminals, your opinion of half your fellow countrymen is verging on paranoid. Where on earth do you get this nonsense? It's not paranoia Brian *-) ......... If you cant control who comes in, then you cant stop EU scroats from entering :-| ............ The only nonsense being peddled.........Is by you Remoaners ;-) ........ But we can control who comes in, and how long they stay, and we can (and do) remove those who overstay or transgress. That we don't control entry when we could is because government chooses not to. Where we don't remove overstayers or transgressors as quickly as you'd like, it is because we act in accordance with our own laws, passed by our own parliament (you know, the one you think doesn't have sovereign power). In either event these are things the UK government (you know, the British laws for British citizens government you want) controls, and have nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 5:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-01 6:10 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 5:28 PM But, if what you meant was that you actually think "remainers" want to let in people from the EU (or anywhere else), irrespective of whether they are, or later become, criminals, your opinion of half your fellow countrymen is verging on paranoid. Where on earth do you get this nonsense? It's not paranoia Brian *-) ......... If you cant control who comes in, then you cant stop EU scroats from entering :-| ............ The only nonsense being peddled.........Is by you Remoaners ;-) ........ But we can control who comes in, and how long they stay, and we can (and do) remove those who overstay or transgress. That we don't control entry when we could is because government chooses not to. Where we don't remove overstayers or transgressors as quickly as you'd like, it is because we act in accordance with our own laws, passed by our own parliament (you know, the one you think doesn't have sovereign power). In either event these are things the UK government (you know, the British laws for British citizens government you want) controls, and have nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. No we don't Brian *-) ........ They use the system.....and after they've exhausted OUR system they use the ECJ >:-) .............. That's why I'm trying to dismantle the system B-) .......... Gotta start somewhere ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM...……………...Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... Re integration, some have, some clearly haven't. But, they entered the UK from outside the EU, so had only whatever rights of entry the UK government had given them. Half the time you seem to be arguing for Brexit because you think the UK government has had its powers usurped by the EU, and the other half of the time you seem to be arguing against what the UK government does when the EU had no influence at all. Which do you want, a UK government with its powers tempered by EU directives, a different UK government, or no UK government at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 5:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... you could argue though that the huge rise in None EU immigration and decline in EU immigration since the referendum are a perfect example of the "unintended consequences" of "unthinking" Brexit through. Immigration is like a super tanker and its course is currently stable Barry ;-) ........which is a indication that we'll soon be able to change course B-) ......... As for the fact that your flagging up the fact that more non EU than EU are arriving......... would indicate a certain racist bias-ism on your part dontch think? >:-) ......... ie EU Johnny foreigner good.......Non EU Johnny foreigner bad 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 5:47 PM Half the time you seem to be arguing for Brexit because you think the UK government has had its powers usurped by the EU, and the other half of the time you seem to be arguing against what the UK government does when the EU had no influence at all. Our "Spit" governments for decades have been complicit in selling OUR country to the EU for decades *-) ........ I have little time for politicians.......... but the opportunity to reboot our politics has been sadly lacking for a long time......... We got it on the 23rd June 2016 B-) ........ Curiously I ended up on the winning side :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 5:41 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 5:38 PM..................… 1 But we can control who comes in, and how long they stay, and we can (and do) remove those who overstay or transgress. 2 That we don't control entry when we could is because government chooses not to. 3 Where we don't remove overstayers or transgressors as quickly as you'd like, it is because we act in accordance with our own laws, passed by our own parliament (you know, the one you think doesn't have sovereign power). 4 In either event these are things the UK government (you know, the British laws for British citizens government you want) controls, and have nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. No we don't Brian *-) ........ They use the system.....and after they've exhausted OUR system they use the ECJ >:-) .............. That's why I'm trying to dismantle the system B-) .......... Gotta start somewhere ;-) ......... I've numbered my four points for clarity. Which is/are the ones to which you're saying "we don't"? BTW, I think you're confusing the ECJ, which deals with European law, with the European Court of Human Rights, which gains its juridical powers under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is a non-EU convention signed by the UK and 46 other European countries. The reason migrant detainees can appeal against removal is because we (the UK, meaning the UK government) gave them that right in 1947 as a founder member when it signed up to the convention. As I've said before, everything with Europe in its name isn't connected with the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... So you think leaving the EU will solve that? Seriously???? (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... So you think leaving the EU will solve that? Seriously???? (lol) So you finally admit we have a mooslim problem? >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 6:04 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 5:41 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 5:38 PM..................… 1 But we can control who comes in, and how long they stay, and we can (and do) remove those who overstay or transgress. 2 That we don't control entry when we could is because government chooses not to. 3 Where we don't remove overstayers or transgressors as quickly as you'd like, it is because we act in accordance with our own laws, passed by our own parliament (you know, the one you think doesn't have sovereign power). 4 In either event these are things the UK government (you know, the British laws for British citizens government you want) controls, and have nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. No we don't Brian *-) ........ They use the system.....and after they've exhausted OUR system they use the ECJ >:-) .............. That's why I'm trying to dismantle the system B-) .......... Gotta start somewhere ;-) ......... I've numbered my four points for clarity. Which is/are the ones to which you're saying "we don't"? BTW, I think you're confusing the ECJ, which deals with European law, with the European Court of Human Rights, which gains its juridical powers under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is a non-EU convention signed by the UK and 46 other European countries. The reason migrant detainees can appeal against removal is because we (the UK, meaning the UK government) gave them that right in 1947 as a founder member when it signed up to the convention. As I've said before, everything with Europe in its name isn't connected with the EU. Steady on Brian....that "Euro" word is mentioned too many times and Pelmet will have a meltdown reading so many "Euros" in one post. Not to mention it seems he's hit the bottle again judging by his inane tweet like responses. In answer to your previous question i think what Pelmet wants is no government at all.......or a Totalitarian state, but only one that he likes and sod everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... So you think leaving the EU will solve that? Seriously???? (lol) So you finally admit we have a mooslim problem? >:-) ........ Currently we have a problem with a drunk on the forum. Put your bottle away fgs and sober up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... So you think leaving the EU will solve that? Seriously???? (lol) So you finally admit we have a mooslim problem? >:-) ........ Currently we have a problem with a drunk on the forum. Put your bottle away fgs and sober up. Nice try Bullet :D .......... But we have your post......which is too late to delete >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 6:37 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 6:11 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 6:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... So you think leaving the EU will solve that? Seriously???? (lol) So you finally admit we have a mooslim problem? >:-) ........ Currently we have a problem with a drunk on the forum. Put your bottle away fgs and sober up. Nice try Bullet :D .......... But we have your post......which is too late to delete >:-) ......... He has a nasty habit of altering posts our Bullet so keep your eye on it ... Tomorrow Dave your wine will have gone , our Mooslim problem however will still be here and getting worse every single blinking day by golly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 6:04 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 5:41 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-02 5:38 PM..................… 1 But we can control who comes in, and how long they stay, and we can (and do) remove those who overstay or transgress. 2 That we don't control entry when we could is because government chooses not to. 3 Where we don't remove overstayers or transgressors as quickly as you'd like, it is because we act in accordance with our own laws, passed by our own parliament (you know, the one you think doesn't have sovereign power). 4 In either event these are things the UK government (you know, the British laws for British citizens government you want) controls, and have nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. No we don't Brian *-) ........ They use the system.....and after they've exhausted OUR system they use the ECJ >:-) .............. That's why I'm trying to dismantle the system B-) .......... Gotta start somewhere ;-) ......... I've numbered my four points for clarity. Which is/are the ones to which you're saying "we don't"? BTW, I think you're confusing the ECJ, which deals with European law, with the European Court of Human Rights, which gains its juridical powers under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is a non-EU convention signed by the UK and 46 other European countries. The reason migrant detainees can appeal against removal is because we (the UK, meaning the UK government) gave them that right in 1947 as a founder member when it signed up to the convention. As I've said before, everything with Europe in its name isn't connected with the EU. I kinda think you've just proved my point Brian :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-02 5:51 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 5:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-02 4:52 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 4:31 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 12:48 PM I am confused as to why some think that Brexit will reduce the amount of both immigrants and immigrant criminals in the UK. Firstly the borders will be in chaos and there will be an open one in NI. Secondly if its true that none EU citizens from Asia etc. commit more crimes and our prisons are full of them then surely the fact that EU citizens who are leaving in their droves while none EU immigration is going through the roof is likely to attract more "scroats" as Dave calls them. Whichever way you look at it. We still need roughly the same amount of immigrants that we have now. Some come some go but its about where it will and should be for now. All we are doing is swapping a higher calibre of immigrant for a lower one. It's the parallel universe Brexiters dwell in and Pelemthead is going to run out of "scroats" to blame. They thought 'them mooslims' and criminality is an EU 'import' and were unable to figure the vast majority of Muslim are non-EU and some of course, shock horror, are British.....so quite where they thought they could send the latter back to, God knows!! *-) Also as we (well err more sensible people) know, criminality not only extends worldwide but also 'home grown'.....watch "The Real Narcos" Channel 4 have been screening to see what i mean. This bunch of b*stards terrorised and ruled Manchester for years; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o158YbJpLcs&t=228s The end of their "reign" also came with an embarrassing truth for the 'well 'ard' types! Something else also very important, assuming UK is stupid enough to leave, we risk losing access to Europol, the EAW and SIS 2 which holds a massive database on international criminals and terrorists. That's extremely serious and something else which wasn't on the ballot paper....but hey ho, onward they go plunging over the cliff. *-) Those mooslims you mention are a perfect example of "unintended consequences" of unthinking immigration *-) ............ As only someone as blinkered as you would think they have integrated *-) ......... Here or in the EU >:-) ........... you could argue though that the huge rise in None EU immigration and decline in EU immigration since the referendum are a perfect example of the "unintended consequences" of "unthinking" Brexit through. Immigration is like a super tanker and its course is currently stable Barry ;-) ........which is a indication that we'll soon be able to change course B-) ......... As for the fact that your flagging up the fact that more non EU than EU are arriving......... would indicate a certain racist bias-ism on your part dontch think? >:-) ......... ie EU Johnny foreigner good.......Non EU Johnny foreigner bad 8-) ........ Well you and Bracket have been telling us for years that we have a Muslim problem, they dont integrate and are all terrorists and criminals but your Brexit vote has opened the floodgates it seems according to the latest ONS figures posted the other day. You have chased away white same culture workers and replaced then with none EU immigrants from Africa and Asia which are predominately Muslim countries. Makes no odds to me mind where they are from as I was never complaining about immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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