Ford - 'no deal' would cost $1 billion

[Bulletguy]

Geeco - 2019-01-26 10:06 PM

 

Paul, I was not aware that I suggested that GM & FMC were linked. I did say Holden was owned by GM like Opel once was before it was sold to the French. I have no doubt profit is the prime motivator. Look at what happened in Detroit, car plants were moved to the southern states to take advantage of cheaper labour. In the case of AU, Ford took advantage of a FTA with Thailand (along with others) to import the Ford Ranger Ford's biggest seller here. GM are importing from Korea & US.

What I was suggesting was that it is common for car companies to follow profit. If they (in this case FoMoCo) can sneak out under the guise of Brexit then they probably will.

I am very interested to see what changes on the ground occur as a result of the Brexit March cut off date when we visit in May. So long as I can still buy a gammon steak, egg & chips for dinner I will be fine. cheers,

Yes i realised that though as you probably noticed it instantly got connected to "Ford"....period, by you mentioning Ford in the same line without anyone bothering to look who Holden were or what GM owned.

 

Despite Brexiters constant wailing, excuses, deflection and claims of "nothing to do with Brexit", these moves are certainly primarily motivated by that (CEO's of the companies have said so) and due to much more than just profit alone (every successful business needs to profit otherwise it goes to the wall). Government has failed to give businesses assurance of frictionless movement of parts which come into UK on a "just in time" (JIT) process and any interruption to that would cost £millions per day. It's not as though it's just a couple of companies. We're seeing a mass exodus of them leaving to relocate and many have been in UK for years yet not one Brexiter can answer the simple question;

if "its got nothing to do with Brexit"......why would they leave now?

 

I'm still waiting to read one credible and logical answer to that question but none seem capable, or willing, to give one. Just as i'm still waiting to read of one European company relocating to UK as a direct result of Brexit.

 

James Dyson's move is a classic example but no Brexiteer wants dialogue on that one as Dyson trilled the pro-Brexit 'cause' so is now something of an embarrassment.

 

Regards your travel, you will breeze in through the 'empty side' as the other side will be rammed with Brits facing “tourism Armageddon” according to Tom Jenkins, chief executive of the European Tourism Association (ETOA). Naturally Brexiters will dismiss this as "project fear/scaremongering/Remoaner bitching" etc etc as they think they know better than people who actually work on the front line.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-news-holidaymakers-flying-to-europe-warned-of-3hour-airport-delays-with-no-deal-a4048891.html

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-26 11:40 PM

 

Geeco - 2019-01-26 10:06 PM

 

Paul, I was not aware that I suggested that GM & FMC were linked. I did say Holden was owned by GM like Opel once was before it was sold to the French. I have no doubt profit is the prime motivator. Look at what happened in Detroit, car plants were moved to the southern states to take advantage of cheaper labour. In the case of AU, Ford took advantage of a FTA with Thailand (along with others) to import the Ford Ranger Ford's biggest seller here. GM are importing from Korea & US.

What I was suggesting was that it is common for car companies to follow profit. If they (in this case FoMoCo) can sneak out under the guise of Brexit then they probably will.

I am very interested to see what changes on the ground occur as a result of the Brexit March cut off date when we visit in May. So long as I can still buy a gammon steak, egg & chips for dinner I will be fine. cheers,

Yes i realised that though as you probably noticed it instantly got connected to "Ford"....period, by you mentioning Ford in the same line without anyone bothering to look who Holden were or what GM owned.

 

Despite Brexiters constant wailing, excuses, deflection and claims of "nothing to do with Brexit", these moves are certainly primarily motivated by that (CEO's of the companies have said so) and due to much more than just profit alone (every successful business needs to profit otherwise it goes to the wall). Government has failed to give businesses assurance of frictionless movement of parts which come into UK on a "just in time" (JIT) process and any interruption to that would cost £millions per day. It's not as though it's just a couple of companies. We're seeing a mass exodus of them leaving to relocate and many have been in UK for years yet not one Brexiter can answer the simple question;

if "its got nothing to do with Brexit"......why would they leave now?

 

I'm still waiting to read one credible and logical answer to that question but none seem capable, or willing, to give one. Just as i'm still waiting to read of one European company relocating to UK as a direct result of Brexit. l

 

So if Brexit was cancelled JLR wouldn't relocate to Slovakia? ;-) ............

 

Blimey you Remoaners are terminally Dumb if you think that >:-) ........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:38 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-26 11:40 PM

 

Geeco - 2019-01-26 10:06 PM

 

Paul, I was not aware that I suggested that GM & FMC were linked. I did say Holden was owned by GM like Opel once was before it was sold to the French. I have no doubt profit is the prime motivator. Look at what happened in Detroit, car plants were moved to the southern states to take advantage of cheaper labour. In the case of AU, Ford took advantage of a FTA with Thailand (along with others) to import the Ford Ranger Ford's biggest seller here. GM are importing from Korea & US.

What I was suggesting was that it is common for car companies to follow profit. If they (in this case FoMoCo) can sneak out under the guise of Brexit then they probably will.

I am very interested to see what changes on the ground occur as a result of the Brexit March cut off date when we visit in May. So long as I can still buy a gammon steak, egg & chips for dinner I will be fine. cheers,

Yes i realised that though as you probably noticed it instantly got connected to "Ford"....period, by you mentioning Ford in the same line without anyone bothering to look who Holden were or what GM owned.

 

Despite Brexiters constant wailing, excuses, deflection and claims of "nothing to do with Brexit", these moves are certainly primarily motivated by that (CEO's of the companies have said so) and due to much more than just profit alone (every successful business needs to profit otherwise it goes to the wall). Government has failed to give businesses assurance of frictionless movement of parts which come into UK on a "just in time" (JIT) process and any interruption to that would cost £millions per day. It's not as though it's just a couple of companies. We're seeing a mass exodus of them leaving to relocate and many have been in UK for years yet not one Brexiter can answer the simple question;

if "its got nothing to do with Brexit"......why would they leave now?

 

I'm still waiting to read one credible and logical answer to that question but none seem capable, or willing, to give one. Just as i'm still waiting to read of one European company relocating to UK as a direct result of Brexit. l

 

So if Brexit was cancelled JLR wouldn't relocate to Slovakia? ;-) ............

 

Blimey you Remoaners are terminally Dumb if you think that >:-) ........

No they would still continue to build the new Discovery there as planned to do anyway but JLR build more than one model and they spent £4.2 billion last year in UK R&D development which is likely to remain as that's not production which requires frictionless movement and JIT delivery which all production works to and needs, specifically automotive, not to mention fta's which Brexit wants to throw down the pan.

 

Europe also has the largest number of JLR retailers with almost 800 outlets across 42 countries, so just as Dyson has done, they are going to where they can continue to produce and flourish as a business with ready access to a massive fta market on their doorstep (as your Brexit chum Johnson once said, 'why would we turn our back on that'?). By 2020 they're also looking to build all electric.

 

JLR manufacture high end luxury cars......not unicorns.

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 12:59 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:38 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-26 11:40 PM

 

Geeco - 2019-01-26 10:06 PM

 

Paul, I was not aware that I suggested that GM & FMC were linked. I did say Holden was owned by GM like Opel once was before it was sold to the French. I have no doubt profit is the prime motivator. Look at what happened in Detroit, car plants were moved to the southern states to take advantage of cheaper labour. In the case of AU, Ford took advantage of a FTA with Thailand (along with others) to import the Ford Ranger Ford's biggest seller here. GM are importing from Korea & US.

What I was suggesting was that it is common for car companies to follow profit. If they (in this case FoMoCo) can sneak out under the guise of Brexit then they probably will.

I am very interested to see what changes on the ground occur as a result of the Brexit March cut off date when we visit in May. So long as I can still buy a gammon steak, egg & chips for dinner I will be fine. cheers,

Yes i realised that though as you probably noticed it instantly got connected to "Ford"....period, by you mentioning Ford in the same line without anyone bothering to look who Holden were or what GM owned.

 

Despite Brexiters constant wailing, excuses, deflection and claims of "nothing to do with Brexit", these moves are certainly primarily motivated by that (CEO's of the companies have said so) and due to much more than just profit alone (every successful business needs to profit otherwise it goes to the wall). Government has failed to give businesses assurance of frictionless movement of parts which come into UK on a "just in time" (JIT) process and any interruption to that would cost £millions per day. It's not as though it's just a couple of companies. We're seeing a mass exodus of them leaving to relocate and many have been in UK for years yet not one Brexiter can answer the simple question;

if "its got nothing to do with Brexit"......why would they leave now?

 

I'm still waiting to read one credible and logical answer to that question but none seem capable, or willing, to give one. Just as i'm still waiting to read of one European company relocating to UK as a direct result of Brexit. l

 

So if Brexit was cancelled JLR wouldn't relocate to Slovakia? ;-) ............

 

Blimey you Remoaners are terminally Dumb if you think that >:-) ........

No they would still continue to build the new Discovery there as planned to do anyway but JLR build more than one model and they spent £4.2 billion last year in UK R&D development which is likely to remain as that's not production which requires frictionless movement and JIT delivery which all production works to and needs, specifically automotive, not to mention fta's which Brexit wants to throw down the pan.

 

Europe also has the largest number of JLR retailers with almost 800 outlets across 42 countries, so just as Dyson has done, they are going to where they can continue to produce and flourish as a business with ready access to a massive fta market on their doorstep (as your Brexit chum Johnson once said, 'why would we turn our back on that'?). By 2020 they're also looking to build all electric.

 

JLR manufacture high end luxury cars......not unicorns.

 

You really haven't grasped how automotive companies work have you Bullet? *-) ........

 

They move to where they get the biggest bung and the cheapest labour........and they do it bit by bit so as not to annoy their customers too much ;-) ..........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:07 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 12:59 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:38 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-26 11:40 PM

 

Geeco - 2019-01-26 10:06 PM

 

Paul, I was not aware that I suggested that GM & FMC were linked. I did say Holden was owned by GM like Opel once was before it was sold to the French. I have no doubt profit is the prime motivator. Look at what happened in Detroit, car plants were moved to the southern states to take advantage of cheaper labour. In the case of AU, Ford took advantage of a FTA with Thailand (along with others) to import the Ford Ranger Ford's biggest seller here. GM are importing from Korea & US.

What I was suggesting was that it is common for car companies to follow profit. If they (in this case FoMoCo) can sneak out under the guise of Brexit then they probably will.

I am very interested to see what changes on the ground occur as a result of the Brexit March cut off date when we visit in May. So long as I can still buy a gammon steak, egg & chips for dinner I will be fine. cheers,

Yes i realised that though as you probably noticed it instantly got connected to "Ford"....period, by you mentioning Ford in the same line without anyone bothering to look who Holden were or what GM owned.

 

Despite Brexiters constant wailing, excuses, deflection and claims of "nothing to do with Brexit", these moves are certainly primarily motivated by that (CEO's of the companies have said so) and due to much more than just profit alone (every successful business needs to profit otherwise it goes to the wall). Government has failed to give businesses assurance of frictionless movement of parts which come into UK on a "just in time" (JIT) process and any interruption to that would cost £millions per day. It's not as though it's just a couple of companies. We're seeing a mass exodus of them leaving to relocate and many have been in UK for years yet not one Brexiter can answer the simple question;

if "its got nothing to do with Brexit"......why would they leave now?

 

I'm still waiting to read one credible and logical answer to that question but none seem capable, or willing, to give one. Just as i'm still waiting to read of one European company relocating to UK as a direct result of Brexit. l

 

So if Brexit was cancelled JLR wouldn't relocate to Slovakia? ;-) ............

 

Blimey you Remoaners are terminally Dumb if you think that >:-) ........

No they would still continue to build the new Discovery there as planned to do anyway but JLR build more than one model and they spent £4.2 billion last year in UK R&D development which is likely to remain as that's not production which requires frictionless movement and JIT delivery which all production works to and needs, specifically automotive, not to mention fta's which Brexit wants to throw down the pan.

 

Europe also has the largest number of JLR retailers with almost 800 outlets across 42 countries, so just as Dyson has done, they are going to where they can continue to produce and flourish as a business with ready access to a massive fta market on their doorstep (as your Brexit chum Johnson once said, 'why would we turn our back on that'?). By 2020 they're also looking to build all electric.

 

JLR manufacture high end luxury cars......not unicorns.

 

You really haven't grasped how automotive companies work have you Bullet? *-) ........

 

They move to where they get the biggest bung and the cheapest labour........and they do it bit by bit so as not to annoy their customers too much ;-) ..........

You're grasping at straws now Dave. If you believe that's the primary motivator you'll explain what Ford-Werke GmbH is doing in Cologne employing over 28,000 when German labour is hardly 'cheap'. Same with Dyson going off to Singapore to build his car. SN has one of the highest labour rates in the world.....but it also signed fta's with the EU and that's why Dyson has gone there. You don't like to mention his fleeing from UK do you? I can't think why!

 

It's about marketing, fta's, and maintaining frictionless movement which, had UK remained in the EU, they would still have.

[Tracker]

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

[Guest pelmetman]

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Or maybe its got more to do with Merkel being in charge of those who dish out the bungs? >:-) ........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.

 

We've also had long history of treating engineering with little importance and undervalued the people we have which is where Germany differs. Motivation is achieved in many ways, not least of all (obviously) with a decent level of pay in accordance with relevant skills/qualifications but that's only the start point. Working environment, well designed lines (if production), quality equipment suited to the job, and a management that listens and can actually lead by example rather than barking commands.

 

It's worth taking a look inside the Ford factory at Cologne where 1,400 cars leave the production line every single day. Interestingly a British guy is CEO there so man-management attitudes have finally changed.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/hard-brexit-threat-to-british-motor-industry

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 4:24 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.

 

 

That's prolly why they started looking South for cheap Labour in the 70's ;-) .......

 

It was easier than dealing with UK Socialists *-) .......

 

"The use of low-wage markets for the home market is nothing new for the European automotive industry. Through the liberalization in the 1970s and the entry into the European Economic Community (ECC), Spain and Portugal became the first important low-wage rentals for the European automotive industry. GM, Ford Renault, and PSA opened new plants there, while Volkswagen took control of the Spanish manufacturer Seat. The labor costs per hour in Spain were at around 50 percent of those of the level in Germany in the 1970s and 1980s (Pallares-Barbera, 1998: 350); in the meantime, however, the wage level in Spain has risen. In the early 1990s the Iberian Peninsula was superseded by Central Eastern Europe in its function as the low-wage periphery."

 

https://journals.openedition.org/regulation/10663

 

No doubt it was Brexits fault ? >:-) ...........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 4:24 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.

 

 

That's prolly why they started looking South for cheap Labour in the 70's ;-) .......

What a load of guff and what on earth does "prolly" mean? Did you ever get beyond nursery? *-)

 

Meanwhile......look, listen and learn.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/hard-brexit-threat-to-british-motor-industry

[Brian Kirby]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? >:-) ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

 

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?

[Guest pelmetman]

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-27 5:25 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? >:-) ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

 

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?

 

It helps by simplifying things............especially when a ship is sinking ;-) .........

 

When the Titanic was sinking, it wasn't just the women & children that got off......it was those with a natural sense of self preservation :D ..........

 

What's your fiddling like?.........Because there is a orchestra on the EU Titanic that needs you >:-) ........

 

 

[747]

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-27 5:25 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? >:-) ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

 

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?

 

Why is it costly Brian? Is that down to the working man? Does the working man equip his company with the best equipment or is that down to Owners and Management? Are you saying that British workers are lazy?

 

Why aren't you pointing the finger at successive Governments? Why aren't you blaming Companies who are (to use your words) legendary at their lack of investment?

 

I have worked in Engineering and that work took me to most European countries plus others worldwide. The average British worker holds up very well against his German counterpart and other Europeans.

[teflon2]

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-26 5:56 PM

 

teflon2 - 2019-01-26 5:49 PM.................If the EU is so good why is Dyson not building his electric car there ?

Well, and more to the point, if post-Brexit Britain is to be as rosy as Dyson says it will be, why doesn't he keep his HQ here, and bring back his production as well?

 

 

 

But Brian you keep saying that Ford are leaving because of Brexit in which case would they not relocate in a EU country instead of moving half way round the world. (?)

[Bulletguy]

teflon2 - 2019-01-27 6:57 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-26 5:56 PM

 

teflon2 - 2019-01-26 5:49 PM.................If the EU is so good why is Dyson not building his electric car there ?

Well, and more to the point, if post-Brexit Britain is to be as rosy as Dyson says it will be, why doesn't he keep his HQ here, and bring back his production as well?

 

But Brian you keep saying that Ford are leaving because of Brexit in which case would they not relocate in a EU country instead of moving half way round the world. (?)

Reason Dyson is building in Singapore is they signed FTA's with the EU and Dyson wants access to the EU market. He already has an assembly plant there anyway as well as Malaysia and Philippines.

 

Dyson CEO Jim Rowan said that the decision of where to make the electric vehicle was based on supply chains and access to markets.

[Guest pelmetman]

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Could it be that the EU is looking after their boss?........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/eu-production

 

It's curious that the low productivity German car industry appears to being protected 8-)..........

 

Whilst the high productivity UK car industry is being moved to low wage economies? >:-) ..........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:14 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Could it be that the EU is looking after their boss?........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/eu-production

 

It's curious that the low productivity German car industry appears to being protected 8-)..........

 

Whilst the high productivity UK car industry is being moved to low wage economies? >:-) ..........

You've been spending too much time with your head buried in Alex Jones website and trawling Icke forums. *-)

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Higher standards? :-S ..........

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

 

Lexus NX SUV. ...

Kia Sorento SUV. ...

Toyota Prius hatchback. ...

Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...

Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...

Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...

Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...

Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

 

Lets play spot the German maker? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:42 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Higher standards? :-S ..........

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

 

Lexus NX SUV. ...

Kia Sorento SUV. ...

Toyota Prius hatchback. ...

Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...

Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...

Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...

Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...

Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

 

Lets play spot the German maker? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

No problem..... (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)*-)

 

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018

2018 Audi A4.

2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...

2018 BMW 2 Series. ...

2018 BMW 3 Series. ...

2018 BMW 5 Series. ...

2018 BMW 7 Series. ...

2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...

2018 Porsche 911.

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 10:14 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:42 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Higher standards? :-S ..........

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

 

Lexus NX SUV. ...

Kia Sorento SUV. ...

Toyota Prius hatchback. ...

Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...

Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...

Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...

Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...

Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

 

Lets play spot the German maker? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

No problem..... (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)*-)

 

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018

2018 Audi A4.

2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...

2018 BMW 2 Series. ...

2018 BMW 3 Series. ...

2018 BMW 5 Series. ...

2018 BMW 7 Series. ...

2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...

2018 Porsche 911.

 

Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? >:-) .........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 10:22 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 10:14 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:42 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Higher standards? :-S ..........

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

 

Lexus NX SUV. ...

Kia Sorento SUV. ...

Toyota Prius hatchback. ...

Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...

Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...

Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...

Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...

Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

 

Lets play spot the German maker? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

No problem..... (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)*-)

 

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018

2018 Audi A4.

2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...

2018 BMW 2 Series. ...

2018 BMW 3 Series. ...

2018 BMW 5 Series. ...

2018 BMW 7 Series. ...

2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...

2018 Porsche 911.

 

Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? >:-) .........

Didn't need any trying......Planker. No comparison when it comes to reliability either. Why else are Mercs the first choice of most German taxi drivers? Capable of crazy mileage. Not surprised at the Audi A4 either as my son has one which he bought with 25 or 30k on the clock and now has 185k yet still looks and performs like new. His wifes is a 2018 model but i'd prefer my sons older one as her Audi has the daft start/stop on which i find a nuisance to drive.

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 10:43 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 10:22 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 10:14 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 9:42 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 9:01 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 7:41 PM

 

Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

 

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

 

Maybe that's another EU myth Rich ;-) .........

 

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

 

Ooooer Mrs 8-) ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans >:-) ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.

 

Higher standards? :-S ..........

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

 

Lexus NX SUV. ...

Kia Sorento SUV. ...

Toyota Prius hatchback. ...

Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...

Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...

Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...

Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...

Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

 

Lets play spot the German maker? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

No problem..... (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)*-)

 

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018

2018 Audi A4.

2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...

2018 BMW 2 Series. ...

2018 BMW 3 Series. ...

2018 BMW 5 Series. ...

2018 BMW 7 Series. ...

2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...

2018 Porsche 911.

 

Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? >:-) .........

Didn't need any trying......Planker. No comparison when it comes to reliability either. Why else are Mercs the first choice of most German taxi drivers? Capable of crazy mileage. Not surprised at the Audi A4 either as my son has one which he bought with 25 or 30k on the clock and now has 185k yet still looks and performs like new. His wifes is a 2018 model but i'd prefer my sons older one as her Audi has the daft start/stop on which i find a nuisance to drive.

 

Next time you see a AA repairman ask him what make of vehicle they get called out to the most :D .......

 

I'll give you a clue it starts with a B and ends in a W ;-) ........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-01-28 10:06 AM

 

Next time you see a AA repairman ask him what make of vehicle they get called out to the most :D .......

 

I'll give you a clue it starts with a B and ends in a W ;-) ........

You suggested this before so i did, and he told me whoever told you that is talking out of his backside. When i mentioned your fm name and dwelling 'abode' he said he'd lost count of the times he's seen that old wreck on the side of the road with bonnet up and a bloke gazing in astonishment an engine is still there.