Brian Kirby Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 747 - 2019-03-16 4:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 1:19 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted. One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before. Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go. :-D No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up). I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN. :D But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side. Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from. To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine. It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at. Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations. If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:16 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 4:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 1:19 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted. One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before. Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go. :-D No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up). I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN. :D But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side. Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from. To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine. It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at. Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations. If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit. Yeah ......like they're not wide open already *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-16 6:23 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:16 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 4:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 1:19 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted. One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before. Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go. :-D No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up). I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN. :D But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side. Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from. To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine. It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at. Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations. If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit. Yeah ......like they're not wide open already *-) ......... Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU. *-) Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:33 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU. *-) Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it? :-D Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ;-) ........ Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-16 6:59 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:33 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU. *-) Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it? :-D Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ;-) ........ Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? >:-) ...... We did - it was Brexiters who had been persuaded we didn't. Otherwise why were you all so fussed about taking back control? They were only "wide open" to those who didn't couldn't understand that it was the government that opened them, because it wanted to. God, you do love (and misunderstand) that word, don't you? Know another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-03-16 8:03 AM pelmetman - 2019-03-16 7:44 AM Fast Pat - 2019-03-15 4:03 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-15 3:16 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-15 1:31 PM teflon2 - 2019-03-14 6:44 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-13 12:23 PM antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ??? Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know? OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said? ;-) Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. (!) . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river. But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away. True ;-) ...........But it wont be US implementing the border :D ........ It will if you want to trade on WTO terms What did Mrs May say? ;-) ........... There will be no NI border :D .......... If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem >:-) ....... What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu There are no WTO rules requiring members to have border controls only that the member country maintains what it has declared to be the existing status. It's on the WTO website not on the media bias papers. (!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 7:07 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-16 6:59 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:33 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU. *-) Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it? :-D Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ;-) ........ Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? >:-) ...... We did - it was Brexiters who had been persuaded we didn't. Otherwise why were you all so fussed about taking back control? They were only "wide open" to those who didn't couldn't understand that it was the government that opened them, because it wanted to. God, you do love (and misunderstand) that word, don't you? Know another one? Even more Cobblers *-) ........ If we even felt slightly in control do you think 52% (or in your EU biased mind 37% :D ) would have voted to leave? :-| ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:16 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 4:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 1:19 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted. One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before. Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go. :-D No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up). I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN. :D But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side. . What do you mean "Who would agree to that"? If we have left, we can do as we damn well please. Theresa has already said we will leave the Irish Border as it is and will not put tariffs on most imports from the EU. If the EU Commissioners don't like it then tough titty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 747 - 2019-03-16 11:18 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 6:16 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 4:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-16 1:19 PM 747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted. One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before. Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go. :-D No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up). I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN. :D But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side. What do you mean "Who would agree to that"? If we have left, we can do as we damn well please. Theresa has already said we will leave the Irish Border as it is and will not put tariffs on most imports from the EU. If the EU Commissioners don't like it then tough titty. It is a border, so shared responsibility. It is true we can do as we please on our side, and could even do as you say and leave our side open. However, that would mean anyone and anything the Irish chose to let out of Ireland would be free to enter the UK. That may be OK now, while both UK and Ireland are in the EU, but wasn't part of the reason many voted for Brexit because they thought the existing border controls inadequate? Even disregarding that aspect, once we leave we shall be a third country, and the EU will require Ireland to close that border to prevent non-compliant goods/unauthorised people crossing into Ireland, and thence to the rest of the EU. That is what I mean by "who would agree to that"? Theresa did indeed say that, but I strongly suspect she will soon discover the limitations of what she says, insofar as it can compel Ireland or the EU to do as she says. The UK no longer runs Ireland, and it definitely doesn't run the EU. I can somehow hear an echo of your "tough titty" coming back from the Irish/EU side of that border! :-D We can't deny our responsibility for what our actions impose on others, no matter how much we may wish to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 4:15 PM It is a border, so shared responsibility. It is true we can do as we please on our side, and could even do as you say and leave our side open. However, that would mean anyone and anything the Irish chose to let out of Ireland would be free to enter the UK. Giggle (lol) ...... Kinda shot yourself in the foot there brian ;-) ........ If the British army with watch towers couldn't stop bombs and weapons from entering NI and the UK......WHY do you and the EU think a customs post will? 8-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 4:15 PM It is a border, so shared responsibility. It is true we can do as we please on our side, and could even do as you say and leave our side open. However, that would mean anyone and anything the Irish chose to let out of Ireland would be free to enter the UK. Giggle (lol) ...... Kinda shot yourself in the foot there brian ;-) ........ If the British army with watch towers couldn't stop bombs and weapons from entering NI and the UK......WHY do you and the EU think a customs post will? 8-) ....... I don't. In fact, I'm quite convinced the opposite is true. I don't even think the necessary (approximately :-)) 270 customs posts would, let alone (giggle) one. You should have read the whole post, and not just the above paragraph, because then you would have the full picture. It was 747 who was saying we could do as we "damn well choose" over the border after we've left the EU. I am arguing that we can't. I am in fact arguing, as I have for some time past, that the combination of the Belfast Agreement (which says there will be no border installations), the Common Travel Area agreements, and the EU requirement for a controlled border with third countries, in combination mean that legally, the UK can't leave the EU unless Ireland also leaves, or unless the UK accepts the Single Market, the Customs Union, and the existing free movement requirements (so negating any need for customs or people checks at the Irish border). In other words, BRINO. The so called backstop for ever. Why do you Brexiters think it is there? For decoration? You do realise that under the existing agreements, Britain and Ireland have between them what amounts to a mini-Schengen area comprising just two states. All that was negotiated while both Britain and Ireland were both members of the EU. If Britain leaves, the terms of those agreements become as far as I can see, irreconcilable, and it is then that the bombs and weapons become a real risk. I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 5:55 PM I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Yeah so what? *-) ..........Best they join the queue behind the other nut jobs shouting Allahu Ackbar ;-) ...... But there again you Remoaner surrender Monkeys have never had a lot of back bone have you? :-| ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 If we do not close the Irish Border but the Irish do (as told to by Brussels), will the New IRA bomb Dublin in retaliation? 8-) Oh, and by the bye. The Irish PM comes across as a staunch European Federalist and opposes Brexit but he seems to be suffering from Macronitis. All is not well in the Emerald Isle vis a vis immigration. The Irish elite have a nice little earner going over there. They buy up large Hotels cheaply and fill them full of immigrants. Sometimes the numbers are larger than the local population in rural areas and the people are not happy, resentment is growing. 8-) Meanwhile, the rich minority are raking in a lot of money with their scam err I mean scheme. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 747 - 2019-03-18 7:50 PM If we do not close the Irish Border but the Irish do (as told to by Brussels), will the New IRA bomb Dublin in retaliation? 8-) Oh, and by the bye. The Irish PM comes across as a staunch European Federalist and opposes Brexit but he seems to be suffering from Macronitis. All is not well in the Emerald Isle vis a vis immigration. The Irish elite have a nice little earner going over there. They buy up large Hotels cheaply and fill them full of immigrants. Sometimes the numbers are larger than the local population in rural areas and the people are not happy, resentment is growing. 8-) Meanwhile, the rich minority are raking in a lot of money with their scam err I mean scheme. ;-) Yeah.....I saw a documentary some while back where they where trying to put a positive spin on it ;-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-18 7:00 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 5:55 PM I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Yeah so what? *-) ..........Best they join the queue behind the other nut jobs shouting Allahu Ackbar ;-) ...... But there again you Remoaner surrender Monkeys have never had a lot of back bone have you? :-| ........ So you now want another UK civil war to round off your Brexit celebrations? You'll undertake to come back from Spain to bury the dead, and console the bereaved, will you? Just (as you so love saying) askin'? This isn't about courage in the face of adversity, it is about common sense and reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 8:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-18 7:00 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 5:55 PM I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Yeah so what? *-) ..........Best they join the queue behind the other nut jobs shouting Allahu Ackbar ;-) ...... But there again you Remoaner surrender Monkeys have never had a lot of back bone have you? :-| ........ So you now want another UK civil war to round off your Brexit celebrations? You'll undertake to come back from Spain to bury the dead, and console the bereaved, will you? Just (as you so love saying) askin'? This isn't about courage in the face of adversity, it is about common sense and reality. You really have become a pathetic scaremonger Brian *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 747 - 2019-03-18 7:50 PM 1 If we do not close the Irish Border but the Irish do (as told to by Brussels), will the New IRA bomb Dublin in retaliation? 8-) 2 Oh, and by the bye. The Irish PM comes across as a staunch European Federalist and opposes Brexit but he seems to be suffering from Macronitis. All is not well in the Emerald Isle vis a vis immigration. The Irish elite have a nice little earner going over there. They buy up large Hotels cheaply and fill them full of immigrants. Sometimes the numbers are larger than the local population in rural areas and the people are not happy, resentment is growing. 8-) Meanwhile, the rich minority are raking in a lot of money with their scam err I mean scheme. ;-) 1 What do you think? Which country will be identified as the prime cause of the border closure: the UK, or Ireland. Whose actions will have put that closure in train? 2 Nasty, but I don't see how that bears upon the border issue. There is always someone who will make money from someone else's adversity. Sadly, it happens around the world. Why should Ireland be exempt? It is no excuse for what those in Ireland are doing, but folk in the UK do it as well. We are all the same mix under the skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-18 9:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 8:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-18 7:00 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 5:55 PM I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Yeah so what? *-) ..........Best they join the queue behind the other nut jobs shouting Allahu Ackbar ;-) ...... But there again you Remoaner surrender Monkeys have never had a lot of back bone have you? :-| ........ So you now want another UK civil war to round off your Brexit celebrations? You'll undertake to come back from Spain to bury the dead, and console the bereaved, will you? Just (as you so love saying) askin'? This isn't about courage in the face of adversity, it is about common sense and reality. You really have become a pathetic scaremonger Brian *-) ........ So what's you solution? Stick your head in the sand, so that you can't see the obvious? Is that the mark of courage, or stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 9:08 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-18 9:04 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 8:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-18 7:00 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 5:55 PM I assume you noticed that the recent letter bombs sent to London addresses have been claimed by the New IRA, and that notices have been erected saying "we're back"? They are just serving notice of what is to follow if we try to control that border, and that they aren't buying the child-like line that if we leave it to the EU/Ireland to close it, they won't blame the UK. Yeah so what? *-) ..........Best they join the queue behind the other nut jobs shouting Allahu Ackbar ;-) ...... But there again you Remoaner surrender Monkeys have never had a lot of back bone have you? :-| ........ So you now want another UK civil war to round off your Brexit celebrations? You'll undertake to come back from Spain to bury the dead, and console the bereaved, will you? Just (as you so love saying) askin'? This isn't about courage in the face of adversity, it is about common sense and reality. You really have become a pathetic scaremonger Brian *-) ........ So what's you solution? Stick your head in the sand, so that you can't see the obvious? Is that the mark of courage, or stupidity? Did the UK collapse after 2 world wars?........ Did the UK collapse when we were kicked out of the ERM without warning?....... Did the UK collapse after numerous recessions?....... Nope :-| .......... Best lie down in a darkened room in 11 days time Brian :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-18 9:15 PM 1 Did the UK collapse after 2 world wars?........ 2 Did the UK collapse when we were kicked out of the ERM without warning?....... 3 Did the UK collapse after numerous recessions?....... Nope :-| ................. 1 Not quite, but without US assistance under the Marshall Plan it well may have done. 2 No. However, it was not kicked out, it withdrew after having entered at an unsustainable exchange rate and then had its error made plain by the currency markets. We were on the brink of recession, from the cost of trying to prevent a run on the pound. Guess which party was in charge of that little UK fiasco, trying to do a fur coat and no knickers act? 3 No, do you advocate continuous recession as the best form of economic management? What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I thought the Marshall Plan funded European mainland countries and not the UK directly? The US certainly did us no favours regarding what we owed them financially, we just paid the debt off a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 747 - 2019-03-18 11:47 PM I thought the Marshall Plan funded European mainland countries and not the UK directly? The US certainly did us no favours regarding what we owed them financially, we just paid the debt off a few years ago. UK got the largest share from the Marshall Plan aid......more than any other European country, but successive governments squandered billions on dreams of being a global power. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-19 1:08 AM 747 - 2019-03-18 11:47 PM I thought the Marshall Plan funded European mainland countries and not the UK directly? The US certainly did us no favours regarding what we owed them financially, we just paid the debt off a few years ago. UK got the largest share from the Marshall Plan aid......more than any other European country, but successive governments squandered billions on dreams of being a global power. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml From your link ;-) .......... "The truth is that the post-war ***Labour*** Government, advised by its resident economic pundits, freely chose NOT to make industrial modernisation the central theme in her use of Marshall Aid." (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Thanks for highlighting yet another example of LABOURS incompetence >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-03-18 9:49 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-18 9:15 PM 1 Did the UK collapse after 2 world wars?........ 2 Did the UK collapse when we were kicked out of the ERM without warning?....... 3 Did the UK collapse after numerous recessions?....... Nope :-| ................. 1 Not quite, but without US assistance under the Marshall Plan it well may have done. 2 No. However, it was not kicked out, it withdrew after having entered at an unsustainable exchange rate and then had its error made plain by the currency markets. We were on the brink of recession, from the cost of trying to prevent a run on the pound. Guess which party was in charge of that little UK fiasco, trying to do a fur coat and no knickers act? 3 No, do you advocate continuous recession as the best form of economic management? What is your point? 1.......As Bullets link explains ;-) .........It was wasted by Labour, even so the UK did not collapse :D ...... 2.......We had to withdraw because of the actions of your Remoaner Hero Sorearse *-) .........Although it has since proved to have worked in our favour as the UK can control it's own interest rates B-) ........ 3.......I thought Labours Brown had cured Boom & Bust? (lol) ........But my point is that the UK is doing great in spite of Brexit B-) ........and history shows that if the UK really wants to commit financial suicide again....Vote Labour >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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