Bulletguy Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 Government need to start explaining themselves over this, and fast......preferably with honesty; Millions of pieces of vital personal protective equipment (PPE) are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in the UK, The Telegraph can disclose. Lorries are being packed with masks, respirators and other PPE kit before heading to supply hospitals in the EU, it has emerged. On Monday night, UK firms said they had "no choice" but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the British Government. It comes as the Government faces growing criticism over the PPE crisis, with hospitals close to running out of critical equipment and doctors forced to choose between exposing themselves to the virus or "letting a patient die on their watch". https://tinyurl.com/ycer8f2f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Nightingale white elephant. Plenty of beds, plenty of Dr’s ,hardly any nurses. So turning away patients.Who’d have thought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. I blame the NHS senior management as they are the ones who should have made sure that there was sufficient PPE considering every year the WHO warns of a possible pandemic but of course they hide behind the you must not criticise the NHS. brigade. They failed and left the government to pick up the pieces. I would say the same regardless of the colour Blue, Red or pink goverment in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I would agree the trust do have some blame as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 teflon2 - 2020-04-21 7:04 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. I blame the NHS senior management as they are the ones who should have made sure that there was sufficient PPE considering every year the WHO warns of a possible pandemic but of course they hide behind the you must not criticise the NHS. brigade. They failed and left the government to pick up the pieces. I would say the same regardless of the colour Blue, Red or pink goverment in control. Government drew up a pandemic preparedness strategy in 2011. Six years later Nervtag advised government to increase its stock of PPE but it was rejected as "too costly". Bear in mind the NHS has had 10 years of the most punitive cuts under this government leading to severe underfunding. And as for WHO, since when did UK government follow their recommendations? https://tinyurl.com/ydfsqxqh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. ... and who appoints the Civil Service *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-21 9:52 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. ... and who appoints the Civil Service *-) ....not the Government. They are selected by the selections office and appointed to ministers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-22 7:08 AM John52 - 2020-04-21 9:52 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. ... and who appoints the Civil Service *-) ....not the Government. They are selected by the selections office and appointed to ministers. Dominic Cummings has been sacking them and advertising for 'misfits and wierdo's' to replace them. Who appointed Dominic Cummings *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-21 7:16 PM Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. You could be right - except it will be New Labour again, the Tory B team. Now we have a Barrister with a title in charge (so acceptable to the establishment) and BoJo's government becoming so mired in sleaze and incompetence as to become unelectable, its beginning to look like it was in 1997.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-22 1:10 PM ....... it will be New Labour again, the Tory B team.Now we have a Barrister with a title in charge (so acceptable to the establishment) and BoJo's government becoming so mired in sleaze and incompetence as to become unelectable, its beginning to look like it was in 1997.. I can’t see that the recently elected Boris Government is remotely “mired in sleeve and incompetence” - that’s just fanciful none sense. Likewise that just because Labour has a new Leader, that it has instantly become a homogeneous party with a clear common aim. I fear you live in cloud cuckoo land John52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Doesn't surprise me that you can't see it Stuart StuartO - 2020-04-22 1:25 PM Likewise that just because Labour has a new Leader, that it has instantly become a homogeneous party with a clear common aim. Who said it had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-21 2:45 PM John52 - 2020-04-21 11:39 AM pelmetman - 2020-04-20 10:03 PM If anyone aught to do their homework ;-) ......... I'm kinda guessing its you Losers :-| ........ As your pathetic hay making whilst folk are snuffing it!......Is starting to stick in my gall >:-( ....... Just sayin :-| .... So what homework have you been doing *-) Have you realised yet that the reason folk are snuffing it is BoJo was asleep at the wheel (which everyone else seems to have deduced from the fact he caught it himself) - aslep at the wheel whilst the virus was getting hold, and the PPE being snapped up >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/fierce-rebuttals-mark-change-to-uk-covid-19-media-strategy - not that he snuffed it for lack of a ventilator though - he got one even though he didn't need it :-S Handjob has been asleep at the wheel as well. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-wholesaler-shipping-vital-ppe-18122689 A missed opportunity to secure vital PPE and now its going into Europe. Its somewhat Ironic from the party that paid millions for emergency ferries to a company that had no ferries but they managed to ignore a company that was sitting on millions of pounds worth of vital PPE. Expect to see Matt put out to grass shortly, off to spend time with his family, write a book or summat. Not all PPE is equal ;-) ......... We have a current shortage of gowns :-| .......... Sadly no shortage of whinging Losers *-) ........ No doubt you'll start bitching next about the UK not joining the EU system for bulk buying PPE? (?) ........ https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/how-a-lack-of-ppe-in-spanish-hospitals-is-leading-to-a-health-care-crisis-1.4217087 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-nhs-hospitals-ppe-a9435891.html I shouldn't bother .......Coz they're doing worse than we are 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-22 1:10 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 7:16 PM Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. You could be right - except it will be New Labour again, the Tory B team. Now we have a Barrister with a title in charge (so acceptable to the establishment) and BoJo's government becoming so mired in sleaze and incompetence as to become unelectable, its beginning to look like it was in 1997.. So now Labour has a ex Barrister in charge again we should forget what happened last time they put a Lawyer in charge? 8-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-21 7:16 PM Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. Dream on Loser ;-) .......... How are you going to topple a PM with a 80 seat majority? (lol) (lol) (lol).......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-22 2:36 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-21 2:45 PM John52 - 2020-04-21 11:39 AM pelmetman - 2020-04-20 10:03 PM If anyone aught to do their homework ;-) ......... I'm kinda guessing its you Losers :-| ........ As your pathetic hay making whilst folk are snuffing it!......Is starting to stick in my gall >:-( ....... Just sayin :-| .... So what homework have you been doing *-) Have you realised yet that the reason folk are snuffing it is BoJo was asleep at the wheel (which everyone else seems to have deduced from the fact he caught it himself) - aslep at the wheel whilst the virus was getting hold, and the PPE being snapped up >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/fierce-rebuttals-mark-change-to-uk-covid-19-media-strategy - not that he snuffed it for lack of a ventilator though - he got one even though he didn't need it :-S Handjob has been asleep at the wheel as well. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-wholesaler-shipping-vital-ppe-18122689 A missed opportunity to secure vital PPE and now its going into Europe. Its somewhat Ironic from the party that paid millions for emergency ferries to a company that had no ferries but they managed to ignore a company that was sitting on millions of pounds worth of vital PPE. Expect to see Matt put out to grass shortly, off to spend time with his family, write a book or summat. We have a current shortage of gowns :-| .......... No doubt you'll start bitching next about the UK not joining the EU system for bulk buying PPE? (?) ........ Thats already been covered....do try and keep up. UK passed up three opportunities to take part citing "we are no longer a member". When that was pointed out as utter nonsense they tried excusing their ignorance of not knowing about it on "missing emails". Hancock is just being used at the moment until your Dear "Leader" (not) decides to make his Messianic return where Hancock will be thrown under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-22 2:42 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 7:16 PM Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. Dream on Loser ;-) .......... How are you going to topple a PM with a 80 seat majority? (lol) (lol) (lol).......... Think you’ll find he’s doing it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-22 2:38 PM John52 - 2020-04-22 1:10 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 7:16 PM Boris probably won’t last 4 years. Hello Labour. You could be right - except it will be New Labour again, the Tory B team. Now we have a Barrister with a title in charge (so acceptable to the establishment) and BoJo's government becoming so mired in sleaze and incompetence as to become unelectable, its beginning to look like it was in 1997.. So now Labour has a ex Barrister in charge again we should forget what happened last time they put a Lawyer in charge? 8-) ............ Keir Starmer still is a Barrister. Remind everyone again of Johnsons "qualifications"? You can leave out his atrocious philandering and spreading his seed around various women, demanding a divorce from his ex-wife as she lay battling cancer in a hospital bed, along with his pathetic periods as a "journalist" when he could be bothered to do any work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-04-21 8:07 PM teflon2 - 2020-04-21 7:04 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. I blame the NHS senior management as they are the ones who should have made sure that there was sufficient PPE considering every year the WHO warns of a possible pandemic but of course they hide behind the you must not criticise the NHS. brigade. They failed and left the government to pick up the pieces. I would say the same regardless of the colour Blue, Red or pink goverment in control. Government drew up a pandemic preparedness strategy in 2011. Six years later Nervtag advised government to increase its stock of PPE but it was rejected as "too costly". Bear in mind the NHS has had 10 years of the most punitive cuts under this government leading to severe underfunding. And as for WHO, since when did UK government follow their recommendations? https://tinyurl.com/ydfsqxqh Silly boy as I've told you before this government was voted in December 2019 that's last year not 10 years ago. As to punitive cuts for the last 8 years the NHS budget has been increased by 1.4% pr year after allowing for inflation. You really are a one trick pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not everyone seems to be taking a hit during this pandemic. The Conservative Government needs to do some equalising when we come out of this. Those land owners taking rent , where they have not allowed a reduction of rent, all internet purchases need to have a tax as high street shops are closed. All companies with offshore tax haven accounts should not get public funds.If Boris’s team are not willing to do this then Labour would get my next vote which will be the first time ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 teflon2 - 2020-04-22 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-21 8:07 PM teflon2 - 2020-04-21 7:04 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. I blame the NHS senior management as they are the ones who should have made sure that there was sufficient PPE considering every year the WHO warns of a possible pandemic but of course they hide behind the you must not criticise the NHS. brigade. They failed and left the government to pick up the pieces. I would say the same regardless of the colour Blue, Red or pink goverment in control. Government drew up a pandemic preparedness strategy in 2011. Six years later Nervtag advised government to increase its stock of PPE but it was rejected as "too costly". Bear in mind the NHS has had 10 years of the most punitive cuts under this government leading to severe underfunding. And as for WHO, since when did UK government follow their recommendations? https://tinyurl.com/ydfsqxqh Silly boy as I've told you before this government was voted in December 2019 that's last year not 10 years ago. As to punitive cuts for the last 8 years the NHS budget has been increased by 1.4% pr year after allowing for inflation. You really are a one trick pony. Yup !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 teflon2 - 2020-04-22 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-21 8:07 PM teflon2 - 2020-04-21 7:04 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-21 6:37 PM It’s not all blame on “government “ , its the civil service who should also take some stick. I blame the NHS senior management as they are the ones who should have made sure that there was sufficient PPE considering every year the WHO warns of a possible pandemic but of course they hide behind the you must not criticise the NHS. brigade. They failed and left the government to pick up the pieces. I would say the same regardless of the colour Blue, Red or pink goverment in control. Government drew up a pandemic preparedness strategy in 2011. Six years later Nervtag advised government to increase its stock of PPE but it was rejected as "too costly". Bear in mind the NHS has had 10 years of the most punitive cuts under this government leading to severe underfunding. And as for WHO, since when did UK government follow their recommendations? https://tinyurl.com/ydfsqxqh Silly boy as I've told you before this government was voted in December 2019 that's last year not 10 years ago. I'm afraid a change of PM and a few Cabinet ministers here and there doesn't alter a government which has been Tory for the past 10 years though undoubtedly more BlueKip than ever now, so what i referred to occurred under a government of which is obviously your preferred choice. As to punitive cuts for the last 8 years the NHS budget has been increased by 1.4% pr year after allowing for inflation. Which is 2.3% less than average proving it's underfunding. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget The budget for public health services is now £850 million lower than in 2015/16 and by 2021 the budget will have been cut by 25% from its 2015/16 level in real-terms. At the end of 2018 £1bn of cuts to public health services and the training of nurses and doctors over the following year were concealed within Government plans to boost the NHS budget by £20bn by 2023. The figure for the cut in budget are for England as a whole, however an investigation by the IPPR found that the cuts disproportionately affect the most deprived areas. It is the poorest communities that are being hit the hardest by these cuts in public health. When the IPPR compared the cuts in the most and least deprived ten local authorities, they found that "Almost £1 in every £7 cut from public health services has come from England’s ten most deprived communities - compared to just £1 in every £46 in the country’s ten least deprived places.The total, absolute cuts in the poorest places have thus been six times larger than in the least deprived." https://nhsfunding.info/symptoms/10-effects-of-underfunding/cuts-to-frontline-services/ You really are a one trick pony. So much so that i'm able to back up what i posted citing information from credible and reliable sources......unlike you who provided nothing other than a futile attempt at discrediting. Next time try a bit harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-04-22 8:04 PM It is the poorest communities that are being hit the hardest by these cuts in public health. where they are dying for lack of ventilators whilst BoJo occupies one he didn't use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-23 8:02 AM Bulletguy - 2020-04-22 8:04 PM It is the poorest communities that are being hit the hardest by these cuts in public health. where they are dying for lack of ventilators whilst BoJo occupies one he didn't use More Loser Lies *-) .......... Has the NHS said they have run out of ventilators? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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