Birdbrain Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-27 6:02 PM Looks like Italy got covid19 from.......China. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-italy No shi4 Sherlock ... York (thats a place here in England so you dont have to look it up) months ago had its first cases of China Virus ... Two returning Chinese students ... Blame China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-27 5:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 5:15 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-27 5:05 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 4:54 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-27 4:49 PM mtravel - 2020-04-27 4:36 PM I couldn't have expected a different answer. My mistake. Someone, probably Samuel Clemens, said: Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Never was an aphorism more appropriate. Max p.s. In Italy the virus came from Germany. In the UK certainly not from Italy. The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York. On February 6, a British businessman in Brighton was diagnosed with the virus after catching in in Singapore. The so-called ‘super spreader’ was later linked to 11 other cases, five of which were in the UK. Later that month, on February 28, the first person to catch coronavirus in the UK was diagnosed, a man who lived in Surrey, but who had not been abroad. Dunno how to tell you this Bullet? 8-) ........But you've just p*ssed all over.... FGS put the bottle away and try a day sober for once. My like of wine doesn't excuse you Lefties not whining from the same hymn sheet does it? ;-) ...... Ye c'mon Dave ... Just for one day live in the dry world of BG ... Bedsit , no contact with anyone ever except the paper boy , no family within hundreds of miles (convenient for them) ... Staying dry must be great Just making up for lost time Birdy :D ........ It's funny how all those brave Lefties who were happy to pontificate whilst I was in exile don't want to put me in my place now I'm back? :-S ....... Well it's not like I'm clever or educated? >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I think that was Max’s point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-27 6:27 PM I think that was Max’s point. Max took offence much earlier on if I recall ;-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 He always does especially if Italy is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-27 8:57 AM With a bit of luck Fishface will get her referendum B-) ........ Fingers crossed eh? :D .......... Yep because then BoJo will shower Scotland with even more of your money :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:59 PM A curiosity: Together with Holland the UK appears to be the only country not to publish Infected vs Recovered and Outcome of Cases (Recovery vs Death) data. Is there a reason? Max Yes - we don't know how many are infected because Boris Johnson's Government has been scammed into buying 3 million testing kits that don't work >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-27 3:15 PM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261215/UK-announces-new-coronavirus-death-toll.html "The UK today announced 350 more coronavirus deaths - the lowest daily count recorded since March 30 when just 180 fatalities were registered." Well that'll annoy the Haters ;-) ......... Who would be daft enough to take any notice of those figures when they only count hospital deaths *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-27 4:03 PM mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:59 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 3:15 PM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261215/UK-announces-new-coronavirus-death-toll.html "The UK today announced 350 more coronavirus deaths - the lowest daily count recorded since March 30 when just 180 fatalities were registered." Well that'll annoy the Haters ;-) ......... Without polemics. Italy with just over 2000 daily cases ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ ) is moving towards a controlled restart from May 4 in which the lockdown will not be mitigated for those who will have not justified reasons. Unauthorized movements between different regions will still be prohibited until at least May 18. What are UK plans with just under 5000 cases per day ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ ) ? A curiosity: Together with Holland the UK appears to be the only country not to publish Infected vs Recovered and Outcome of Cases (Recovery vs Death) data. Is there a reason? Max...... Your point is? ;-) ...... After all Italy was the open door for Chinky flu to infect the rest of the EU 8-) ....... Just sayin :-| ........ Without argument :D ...... You are talking total rubbish as usual You were cheering Brian on the other thread for pointing out that the first recorded cases in Britain were people who had flown here from China - without being checked or quarantined at the border. Nothing to do with Italy - as you well know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-27 4:54 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-27 4:49 PM mtravel - 2020-04-27 4:36 PM I couldn't have expected a different answer. My mistake. Someone, probably Samuel Clemens, said: Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Never was an aphorism more appropriate. Max p.s. In Italy the virus came from Germany. In the UK certainly not from Italy. The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York. On February 6, a British businessman in Brighton was diagnosed with the virus after catching in in Singapore. The so-called ‘super spreader’ was later linked to 11 other cases, five of which were in the UK. Later that month, on February 28, the first person to catch coronavirus in the UK was diagnosed, a man who lived in Surrey, but who had not been abroad. Dunno how to tell you this Bullet? 8-) ........ But you've just p*ssed all over your fellow Lefty.... John52 theories (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... You don't know how to tell him because you are talking nonsense as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-27 8:28 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 4:03 PM mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:59 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 3:15 PM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261215/UK-announces-new-coronavirus-death-toll.html "The UK today announced 350 more coronavirus deaths - the lowest daily count recorded since March 30 when just 180 fatalities were registered." Well that'll annoy the Haters ;-) ......... Without polemics. Italy with just over 2000 daily cases ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ ) is moving towards a controlled restart from May 4 in which the lockdown will not be mitigated for those who will have not justified reasons. Unauthorized movements between different regions will still be prohibited until at least May 18. What are UK plans with just under 5000 cases per day ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ ) ? A curiosity: Together with Holland the UK appears to be the only country not to publish Infected vs Recovered and Outcome of Cases (Recovery vs Death) data. Is there a reason? Max...... Your point is? ;-) ...... After all Italy was the open door for Chinky flu to infect the rest of the EU 8-) ....... Just sayin :-| ........ Without argument :D ...... You are talking total rubbish as usual You were cheering Brian on the other thread for pointing out that the first recorded cases in Britain were people who had flown here from China - without being checked or quarantined at the border. Nothing to do with Italy - as you well know. Not quite true, everyone who got coronavirus weren’t all from the two original people infected in the uk. A lot of other people arrived from Italy,Austria ,Germany and France and duly infected others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-27 9:13 PM John52 - 2020-04-27 8:28 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 4:03 PM mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:59 PM pelmetman - 2020-04-27 3:15 PM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261215/UK-announces-new-coronavirus-death-toll.html "The UK today announced 350 more coronavirus deaths - the lowest daily count recorded since March 30 when just 180 fatalities were registered." Well that'll annoy the Haters ;-) ......... Without polemics. Italy with just over 2000 daily cases ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ ) is moving towards a controlled restart from May 4 in which the lockdown will not be mitigated for those who will have not justified reasons. Unauthorized movements between different regions will still be prohibited until at least May 18. What are UK plans with just under 5000 cases per day ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ ) ? A curiosity: Together with Holland the UK appears to be the only country not to publish Infected vs Recovered and Outcome of Cases (Recovery vs Death) data. Is there a reason? Max...... Your point is? ;-) ...... After all Italy was the open door for Chinky flu to infect the rest of the EU 8-) ....... Just sayin :-| ........ Without argument :D ...... You are talking total rubbish as usual You were cheering Brian on the other thread for pointing out that the first recorded cases in Britain were people who had flown here from China - without being checked or quarantined at the border. Nothing to do with Italy - as you well know. Not quite true, everyone who got coronavirus weren’t all from the two original people infected in the uk. A lot of other people arrived from Italy,Austria ,Germany and France and duly infected others. Fair point - some came from other countries afterwards. But that just goes to reinforce my main point that they got it first, so BoJo had plenty of notice to stop it at the borders he had 'taken back control' of >:-) Hardly fair to try and shift the blame to other countries for not stopping all their citizens leaving their country. We started off in the strongest position, being an island surrounded by an impenetrable barrier for the virus, and having the most notice. But are heading for the most economic damage and the most deaths - when you count those that BoJo's figures ignore. And yet still we have morons soaking up all the sh*te put out at the Downing Street press briefings, even ignoring the fact he skipped the Cobra meetings, missed the chance to source PPE, bought 3 million testing kits that don't work, caught it himself and went off leaving the Government in limbo, to say he is 'doing a good job', 'the worst is over' - as if we have found a cure. I can't see how he could have done any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:35 AM Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. You do what we have belatedly done - stop non essential flights, and requisition the facilities necessary to test and isolate those coming in. If we can do it now, why couldn't we do it before the virus got here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-28 8:54 AM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:35 AM Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. You do what we have belatedly done - stop non essential flights, and requisition the facilities necessary to test and isolate those coming in. If we can do it now, why couldn't we do it before the virus got here? Which country did ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-28 9:12 AM John52 - 2020-04-28 8:54 AM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:35 AM Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. You do what we have belatedly done - stop non essential flights, and requisition the facilities necessary to test and isolate those coming in. If we can do it now, why couldn't we do it before the virus got here? Which country did ??? Not so much point in doing it when you have hundreds of miles of porous land borders. Only works when you are an island like Britain. They are planning to do it now, so why couldn't they do it BEFORE the virus arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-28 8:54 AM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:35 AM Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. You do what we have belatedly done - stop non essential flights, and requisition the facilities necessary to test and isolate those coming in. If we can do it now, why couldn't we do it before the virus got here? We did it because of the deaths flooding Europe. But no one is going to authorise it until it’s actually hit us. I grant you we were then slow, but no major country has done differently to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-28 9:55 AM John52 - 2020-04-28 8:54 AM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:35 AM Though the idea of stopping people coming into the country is good, in practice how ,short of stopping flights ,do you quarantine hundreds of thousands of people each day that come in. Where do you put them,how do you police it. You do what we have belatedly done - stop non essential flights, and requisition the facilities necessary to test and isolate those coming in. If we can do it now, why couldn't we do it before the virus got here? We did it because of the deaths flooding Europe. But no one is going to authorise it until it’s actually hit us. I grant you we were then slow, but no major country has done differently to us. Thats because they don't have the advantage of being surrounded by an impenetrable Covid19 barrier - the sea. And I can't see why we couldn't impose testing and quarantine at the borders before it became too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 From what I remember the scientists said there was no point testing when they arrived as you could be a carrier for up to 14 days without symptoms and with a negative test. There’s still 15000 arriving a day now with some flying on in transit. They say there is a test which is 80% correct. That is as good as useless. So there still is no 100% accurate test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Given today has seen the daily death count double from yesterday and actual total could be as much as 55% higher, this thread title is misguided and ignoring fact. It's just cloud cuckoo land to be so blase. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-uk-coronavirus-death-toll-21939697#source=push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-28 10:33 AM From what I remember the scientists said there was no point testing when they arrived as you could be a carrier for up to 14 days without symptoms and with a negative test. There’s still 15000 arriving a day now with some flying on in transit. They say there is a test which is 80% correct. That is as good as useless. So there still is no 100% accurate test. It wouldn't have been easy or cheap or 100% effective, but it would certainly have been far better than this... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-mug-britain-pm-cabinet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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